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  • Bornindamecca
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    • Jul 2007
    • 10919

    #46
    Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

    Hey man, here's a lot of info, so just take it for what it's worth.

    I saw earlier that you said your beats were missing something, and that maybe they needed more. Not so. Usually when a beat is missing something, it's structural. Different pieces of music require different amounts of layers. If you have a beat of a certain strength, then maybe it can carry the load. Same thing for a catchy little melody. Song writing is all about building around that idea, and completing the "story", even before the lyrics are in.

    When I say build around an idea, I'm talking about push and pull, or dynamics. When do you push the main idea to the forefront and when do you pull it away from the listener to make them crave that idea, or in some cases use slight of hand to increase the impact of said idea.

    That's the entire point of structure. If a song is a story, the "hot part" is the action scene or the love scene. Now you can't just have action scenes from beginning to end, right? You have to get the audience to be interested, so when you DO drop that scene, it's as powerful as possible.

    So the most important part of songwriting is identifying what you really truly think is the hot part, and building around that.

    Now on a more technical note:

    -Drink a beer and just play with beats for hours on end. It's important for you to build an inner groove, and get comfortable with rhythm. This is where your "hit" will come from.

    -hi hat determines tempo. Bass drum determines head bob. Snare determines accent, or "pop". Look at your favorite hit songs and watch people dance to it, and look at how the beat is dictating them. What's the role of the snare? etc etc

    -Bass guitar is most effective following the kick drum in most cases. You can also use the base to "float" the melody as a contrast. Look at the effect of walking bass lines in jazz, and driving bass lines in rock.

    -If your beat isn't hot without any instruments besides the bass, it's usually wack.

    -FINISH YOUR SONGS. Even if you can't rap or sing, finish on top of them anyway. Both as a salesman, a collaborator and just as a songwriter, this is invaluable experience. In all forms of art, FINISH is the greatest teacher, and "beats" are just unfinished songs. Your progress will be much faster if you write songs, rather than beats.

    Last thing: You can never experiment too much with call and response.
    Last edited by Bornindamecca; 06-28-2008, 12:59 AM.
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    • sportsdude
      Be Massive
      • Jul 2002
      • 5001

      #47
      Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

      keep up the good work man. I really like "Neo Soulish Reprise". I could see Nas or Doom rapping over that and sounding hot.
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      • rockchisler
        All Star
        • Oct 2002
        • 8290

        #48
        Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

        Thanks for the feedback I am in the process of getting new software so I can make my music better so bear ith me, also new beat up called weeklybeatesession. Check it out.
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        • rockchisler
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          • Oct 2002
          • 8290

          #49
          Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

          New beat up called "Fruity loops 2 Gettin Better" I have recently left my old music program and have upgraded to Fruity loops, This is a hard program but I just started using it 2 days ago. So I like it but it is hard to use but I am getting there. Check it out.
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          • X*Cell
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            • Sep 2002
            • 8107

            #50
            Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

            Originally posted by rockchisler
            New beat up called "Fruity loops 2 Gettin Better" I have recently left my old music program and have upgraded to Fruity loops, This is a hard program but I just started using it 2 days ago. So I like it but it is hard to use but I am getting there. Check it out.
            you'll be surprised when you get the hang of it, that fruity loops is the best out there, because it's the most simple to use and it can do a lot of tasks. I love sportin samples...

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            • Ice Cream Truck
              Money Makin' Sonny
              • Nov 2003
              • 2200

              #51
              Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

              Nice beats man, I like 'Fruityloops gettin better' and I would make a freakin HIT with 'weeklybeatsession'. I"m feelin that one. The only thing that bothers me a little is the snare.


              And Born, I'm taking that advice in for myself. I'm an amateur songwriter and everything that you're saying makes total sense to me.
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              • headrulz101
                MVP
                • Jul 2004
                • 2045

                #52
                Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                How's fruity loops workin' for ya? I used to use that to make my backing tracks but now I moved on to Reason, which is very complicated but huge when you get the hang of it.

                Anyways, lovin' the beats man, they're smooth and easy to groove along to (I was listening to weeklybeatsession and my brother was in the background bobbing his head).

                Keep it up!
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                • rockchisler
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 8290

                  #53
                  Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                  Thanks the fruity loops is coming along I learn something new each time, as well as how to lose a track I was working on..geez..Also all the other beats besides the fruity loops was made on my original xbox music generator "This is the remix" That came out bout 5 years ago.
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                  • rockchisler
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 8290

                    #54
                    Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                    What up all, new beat up called Tryin 2 get 2 U. Check it out.
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                    • rockchisler
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 8290

                      #55
                      Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                      Another beat up called "Superfruit". Check it out
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                      • Jackdog
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 7719

                        #56
                        Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                        Nice work. Keep em coming.
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                        • SageInfinite
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 11896

                          #57
                          Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                          Nice
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                          • rockchisler
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8290

                            #58
                            Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                            Thanks, I am getting the hang of it now when I first started using it the drums and melodys where matching tempo but it seems like it was dragging behind each other, I would say I have mastered 10 % so far of this system, to bad it is only a demo and I cant save the beats, except just straight recording it.
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                            • rockchisler
                              All Star
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 8290

                              #59
                              Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                              Im on a roll, here is another beat call "So beautiful" (Interlude). Check it out
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                              • rockchisler
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 8290

                                #60
                                Re: Amateur beat maker (Hip Hop)

                                New beat up called 81508.
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