Interesting O'Reilly Segment

[ex carrabba fan]

This is old, but still very relevant nonetheless. Sorry if this was posted way back in the day or if it's too political in content.

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[BigRed]

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Cam'ron and Dash might be the two biggest idiots I've ever seen in my life.

[elTodd]

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And that folks, is why rap gets a bad name. These artists have no idea how their music influences youth. They are oblivious to the negativity that is caused by the lyrics of their music.

Don't get me wrong, I like rap music. I'm not bashing rap music, but some of the rap artists are just, for a lack of better words, ********.

[Blaxican8504]

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I thought Dame presented himself quite well in that segment. Especially considering they were brought on the show with the sole purpose being to attack them and blame them for what is wrong with the youth today. Cam on the other hand...made a few good points, but still looked like an idiot.

[Hassan Darkside]

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U MAD!!

I watched this a while ago. I agree that Dash did a pretty good job but Cam's an idiot. They made a few good points as well, but O'Reilly really picked the wrong guy to interview. He should have picked someone like Nas or someone that's been in the game for a while and is semi-intelligent. I would like to see someone like Nas go toe-to-toe with O'Reilly, especially after his comments regarding us (VT) asking Nas to perform here.

[trobinson97]

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U MAD!!

I watched this a while ago. I agree that Dash did a pretty good job but Cam's an idiot. They made a few good points as well, but O'Reilly really picked the wrong guy to interview. He should have picked someone like Nas or someone that's been in the game for a while and is semi-intelligent. I would like to see someone like Nas go toe-to-toe with O'Reilly, especially after his comments regarding us (VT) asking Nas to perform here.

I agree, except for one thing. Nas is a lot more than semi-intelligent. He's a legit smart dude. What were his comments regarding performing at VT btw?


On topic, yeah I watched this a wihle ago two and still cringe at how bad Camron made me look.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I wish they could've gotten more rap artists on the show to get some other minds in there, but to be honest Cam and Dame made valid points.

I think most "rap" music is GARBAGE. But they should not be faulted completely for kids who get a hold of their music. Is it ultimately "o.k." for these rap artists to be making this kind of degrading/obscene music? Sure it is. I just laugh at how these parents are nowhere to be found. Or whomever the children's guardians are. I fault them way more than these hustler artists who are just trying to make their money at the end of the day. It's not their fault there's a market for their substance-less music.

Bottom line is that we as a species have no self-control when it comes to producing our children, which results in sub-par parenting. It results in not enough supervision.

[hogfan]

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I wish they could've gotten more rap artists on the show to get some other minds in there, but to be honest Cam and Dame made valid points.

I think most "rap" music is GARBAGE. But they should not be faulted completely for kids who get a hold of their music. Is it ultimately "o.k." for these rap artists to be making this kind of degrading/obscene music? Sure it is. I just laugh at how these parents are nowhere to be found. Or whomever the children's guardians are. I fault them way more than these hustler artists who are just trying to make their money at the end of the day. It's not their fault there's a market for their substance-less music.

Bottom line is that we as a species have no self-control when it comes to producing our children, which results in sub-par parenting. It results in not enough supervision.

I don't think anyone is excusing the parents.

The point is these rappers are aware of the parental situation in a lot of african american homes, yet they show no remorse that the biggest audience of their music(with the raunchy/degrading images and lyrics) is said parental guidance deprived children.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't think anyone is excusing the parents.

The point is these rappers are aware of the parental situation in a lot of african american homes, yet they show no remorse that the biggest audience of their music(with the raunchy/degrading images and lyrics) is said parental guidance deprived children.

Sure nobody is, but they need to be held accountable. Hey if there wasn't a market for it, the music wouldn't exist. At the end of the day it's legal to make their brand of music, and it's putting food on the table for them.

As far as you bringing race into it, that was uncalled for. Parents IN GENERAL, of all colors need to take control or have a bigger influence than a rapper or an actor.

Like I said before, it's nobody's fault but our own for having children that we can't properly care over. Don't get mad at artists who are capitalizing off your inability to take exhibit self control or parental skills.

[hogfan]

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Sure nobody is, but they need to be held accountable. Hey if there wasn't a market for it, the music wouldn't exist. At the end of the day it's legal to make their brand of music, and it's putting food on the table for them.

As far as you bringing race into it, that was uncalled for. Parents IN GENERAL, of all colors need to take control or have a bigger influence than a rapper or an actor.

Like I said before, it's nobody's fault but our own for having children that we can't properly care over. Don't get mad at artists who are capitalizing off your inability to take exhibit self control or parental skills.

I agree, it is legal. not debating that. Lots of things are legal that are considered morally incorrect.



If you don't see race as an issue in this you are either blind or are uncomfortable with an honest discussion. The latter doesn't solve problems.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I agree, it is legal. not debating that.



If you don't see race as an issue in this you are either blind or are uncomfortable with an honest discussion. The latter doesn't solve problems.

It's simply not a black thing exclusively, I don't know why you needed to throw that in.

I'm not debating really, I'm saying don't get upset at others over your own inability to properly raise your children.

[hogfan]

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It's simply not a black thing exclusively, I don't know why you needed to throw that in.

I'm not debating really, I'm saying don't get upset at others over your own inability to properly raise your children.

I agree with you that a parent can't pass the buck on to outside influences when the parent isn't around to filter what reaches their child. However, I also have sympathy for the mother who has to work 2 and 3 jobs to pay rent and put food on the table. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave a lot of time for quality parenting.

"It's simply not a black thing exclusively"

In this case(the case of rap music) the overwhelming majority of kids that are negatively affected are underprivileged, African American kids. The statistics bare out that the percentage of of single parent homes with in this population is astronomical. The kids are sitting ducks for these negative messages.

Also, I don't need to look at statistics. I hear about it every day when my wife comes home from work(she's a school teacher in an underprivliged, predominantly african-american area in our city). The majority, not all, but the majority of parents are not the least bit involved in their children's education. Two of the fathers are facing 40 yrs in prison. Several of the kids don't have electricity. Obviously these kids are very vulnerable.

That last paragraph does not play out in predominantly white areas. Not to say that it never takes place in white families, but it's not even close to the extent that it occurs in the African American community.

That's just being honest. I don't like it anymore than anyone else does. But the fact is, anomalies not with standing, white youth that listen to this music are not taking it on as a personal anthem and their own lifestyle. They aren't affected in the same way because of the environment they live in.

[elTodd]

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I just find it outrageous that both Dash and Cam'ron don't understand the negative influence their music has on young kids.

I almost laughed when Dash said that there was nothing wrong with them portraying themselves as successful entrepreneurs and wealthy business men, when they know, or should know that that is not what their lyrics suggest. At least thats not what kids are thinking when they're listening to their music.

I'm not saying rap music is solely at fault for the problems with our youth, because its not. But to say that it has no effect at all is completely ludicrous. I think rap artists need to understand the extreme influence they have on our society's youth. Many of these kids idolize these rappers, and see them as father figures. They need to take responsibility for that influence if they don't want to be blamed for the problems with our youth.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I agree with you that a parent can't pass the buck on to outside influences when the parent isn't around to filter what reaches their child. However, I also have sympathy for the mother who has to work 2 and 3 jobs to pay rent and put food on the table. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave a lot of time for quality parenting.

"It's simply not a black thing exclusively"

In this case(the case of rap music) the overwhelming majority of kids that are negatively affected are underprivileged, African American kids. The statistics bare out that the percentage of of single parent homes with in this population is astronomical. The kids are sitting ducks for these negative messages.

Also, I don't need to look at statistics. I hear about it every day when my wife comes home from work(she's a school teacher in an underprivliged, predominantly african-american area in our city). The majority, not all, but the majority of parents are not the least bit involved in their children's education. Two of the fathers are facing 40 yrs in prison. Several of the kids don't have electricity. Obviously these kids are very vulnerable.

That last paragraph does not play out in predominantly white areas. Not to say that it never takes place in white families, but it's not even close to the extent that it occurs in the African American community.

That's just being honest. I don't like it anymore than anyone else does. But the fact is, anomalies not with standing, white youth that listen to this music are not taking it on as a personal anthem and their own lifestyle. They aren't affected in the same way because of the environment they live in.

You bring up valid points. As much sympathy as I have for the single parents who work multiple jobs.. it doesn't sway me to withdraw my comments. Parents have a job to do outside of their income making ones. It's something they signed up for when they decided to bring a life into the world. I still hold them accountable in most circumstances.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I just find it outrageous that both Dash and Cam'ron don't understand the negative influence their music has on young kids.

I almost laughed when Dash said that there was nothing wrong with them portraying themselves as successful entrepreneurs and wealthy business men, when they know, or should know that that is not what their lyrics suggest. At least thats not what kids are thinking when they're listening to their music.

I'm not saying rap music is solely at fault for the problems with our youth, because its not. But to say that it has no effect at all is completely ludicrous. I think rap artists need to understand the extreme influence they have on our society's youth. Many of these kids idolize these rappers, and see them as father figures. They need to take responsibility for that influence if they don't want to be blamed for the problems with our youth.

Yeah they seemed completely brainwashed. That's why I said I would have liked to see other rap artists there. They brought up valid points, but ultimately their unapologetic tones probably turned anyone teetering on the issue against rap artists.