Another Messed up Story

[PVarck31]

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No, because I've always been one to suck it up. Trust me, this girl lived a posh life compared to mine.

It honestly goes back to the way kids are raised, err, not raised these days. And it isn't all on the parents, it is on the government too. The fact that you can no longer hit your child when they deserve it has drastically changed the parenting dynamic. It makes it a lot harder to parent effectively, and keep your child from becoming a whiney brat.

Kids didn't commit suicide nearly as much back when you could actually parent, because they were toughened by life. When you messed up, you knew it, and you got what was deserved. Kids today have never had to deal with learning lessons the hard way. Today's 'hard way' is taking a 7 year old's cell phone and ipod.

Dammit I can't decide if you are right or wrong here. I do believe kids have it easy today. Everyone is so afraid of offending someone, and sometimes that goes for our own kids. We are so afraid to make them "learn the hard way".

However, obviously this woman is sick. Any adult who plays mind games with a kid should be held accountable for it. Kids do not have the ability to understand the scope of problems like we do. The little girl needed help obviously and the parents should have seen to it she got some. Something as trivial as a 2 week online relationship ending can thow a young kid so far off base its crazy. To her, her life was over, so she ended it. This could have been completly prevented if that woman didn't do what she did. So yes i would sue the daylights out of her. And honestly if that was my kid this happend to. lets just say there would be some vigilante justice.

[stephenyoungchoi]

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i think most of you are getting the wrong idea. This isn't something where she had an online argument with randoms.... the mother made this fake person on myspace... i had read a different article on this which was longer and it said they had been talking for a long time and that was her "online bf" before he turned on her..... No one is saying it's illegal but I think the problem most people have with this is why is this old lady doing this to a 13 year old girl??? It was so unnecessary and cost a life.... not only that but the lady doesn't even show any kind of remorse.... she has no guilt whatsoever.....

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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I thought this kind of **** could only happen in a movie.

[rumfinator]

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No, because I've always been one to suck it up. Trust me, this girl lived a posh life compared to mine.

It honestly goes back to the way kids are raised, err, not raised these days. And it isn't all on the parents, it is on the government too. The fact that you can no longer hit your child when they deserve it has drastically changed the parenting dynamic. It makes it a lot harder to parent effectively, and keep your child from becoming a whiney brat.

Kids didn't commit suicide nearly as much back when you could actually parent, because they were toughened by life. When you messed up, you knew it, and you got what was deserved. Kids today have never had to deal with learning lessons the hard way. Today's 'hard way' is taking a 7 year old's cell phone and ipod.

I agree with you on the part that parenting is horrible in this generation and that the government has gotten too involved in parenting. If I am reading right, it sounds like you are forgetting that people are not biologically the same. What one person can handle is different from what another can handle. I completely understand that nothing illegal happened. Overall, there needed to be better parenting, but I do think some action should be taken against this Mother.

[eXperiment63]

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If I am reading right, it sounds like you are forgetting that people are not biologically the same. What one person can handle is different from what another can handle.

I understand that, but I don't think biology plays nearly the role as most people do. I think it comes down to the fact that children are SO shielded today. I'm gonna paste a quote to a Rocky line from this last movie, that is so eerily similar to a lecture I gave a friend a couple years back it isn't even funny:

The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me or nobody is going to hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

Kids today are so shielded from the wrongs of this world, that they don't know how to handle it when it smacks them in the face when they get to adolescence. I grew up a very tough life, I grew up knowing this world is cold and cruel. That unless you toughen up, the world is gonna kill you. The best way to raise a kid is to be honest with them. I'm not saying to be mean, but don't lie, and make this world seem like a beautiful place. It isn't, and they are going to realize that some day. Hopefully most of them don't end up like this poor girl, but an alarmingly large number of children do, and the statistics get even higher each year.

Kids have to learn that life isn't about how many times you get knocked down, it's about how many times you get back up and keep fighting to see another day. Kids today, they get knocked down once or twice and think life is over. Life hasn't even begun for them yet, yet they are so shielded that they don't realize that this is just the beginning. You HAVE to go through dark places in your mind to get to the bright spots. Yet they are presented with this image of the world being this nice shiny place that is fair to all.

Life isn't fair, and the sooner people start teaching their children that, the sooner these suicide numbers will start going down. How often do you hear about a kid from the ghetto killing themselves because he/she was dumped? VERY rarely, that happens far more frequently in the suburbs, where the kid has been expended various luxuries in life that that child from the ghetto had to fight to get. Kids that are raised in a tough environment learn that life isn't fair at a younger age, and it seems to keep them from killing themselves when life gets tough again.

[eXperiment63]

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Now, onto the sick bitch that pretended to be a young boy.

Yes, she is sick and twisted, and I hope she rots in hell for what she did to that poor girl. But it wasn't illegal and you can't sue her for it. If she thought in the slightest the girl would actually kill herself, I'm sure she wouldn't have done it.

And as far as her not showing any remorse... Of course she won't to the press. That leaves her open to a lawsuit where the prosecuter can say, "Oh, she even admits she was wrong and this girl killed herself because of her."

But do you honestly believe she is sleeping well at night? I don't. To be able to do so, one would have to be an absolute monster. Like I said though, she will get what's coming to her in the end.

[ESPNdeportes]

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The little girl needed help obviously and the parents should have seen to it she got some. Something as trivial as a 2 week online relationship ending can thow a young kid so far off base its crazy. To her, her life was over, so she ended it. This could have been completly prevented if that woman didn't do what she did. So yes i would sue the daylights out of her. And honestly if that was my kid this happend to. lets just say there would be some vigilante justice.

While I obviously don't think this was the only cause of her suicide, you are right on. It's crazy to us to think that a 2 week online relationship could mean so much. But don't forget how fragile the psyche of a teenager can be. Teens are impulsive, and a 13 year old girl with a psychiatric disease even more so.

Personally, I can think back to high school and some of the drama I had. Looking back, its ridiculous and today I wouldn't even bat an eye at that kind of stuff......but I did when I was younger.

So I don't think it is fair for people to discount how important the relationship could have been to this girl.

[Scottdau]

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I don't know, I would still kill her. Peace!

[deeman11747]

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What I want to know is why the neighbor would be stupid enough to file a complaint about the foosball table if it could possibly implicate her in the situation.

[daflyboys]

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The woman knew the girl was on anti-depressants. She may not have put the noose around her neck, but she put it in her hands.

Poetic, but untrue (and please don't anyone come at me with the "well, if it were your daughter".... I have a 12 y.o. one).

Moreso, if the woman knew then the parents most definitely knew. So, if your daughter is seeking psychiatric help, why in the world are you allowing herself to be exposed to the crap that is myspace (and probably the other countless mindless sites out there in cyberville). You wouldn't take your 13 y.o. daughter and drop her off in the middle of a crummy, seedy mall just because everyone else was doing it and it's "the place to be"....you would protect her. The parents have a level of liability here as well.

[Mason81Ballin!!!]

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that is sick and twisted.. that woman is no more "mature" then her daughter for christ sakes

[Scottdau]

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Poetic, but untrue (and please don't anyone come at me with the "well, if it were your daughter".... I have a 12 y.o. one).

Moreso, if the woman knew then the parents most definitely knew. So, if your daughter is seeking psychiatric help, why in the world are you allowing herself to be exposed to the crap that is myspace (and probably the other countless mindless sites out there in cyberville). You wouldn't take your 13 y.o. daughter and drop her off in the middle of a crummy, seedy mall just because everyone else was doing it and it's "the place to be"....you would protect her. The parents have a level of liability here as well.

First of all they are human they are going to make mistakes, and if she really wants to get on the net she can do it at a friends house. I hear what are saying, but lets say she was your daughter and she got on the net at a friends house. Now how would you feel about that lady now?

[jmood88]

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Then you, my friend, have mental issues as bad as the girl who killed herself.

Is it messed up? Without a doubt! Should adults hold themselves to higher standards? Most definitely. Should anyone be held accountable because someone that doesn't have all their marbles kills themselves because you call them bad names? Hell ****in no!

It doesn't surprise me that most of America wants charges pressed and the woman arrested, even though she did NOTHING against the law. Morally wrong? Sure, that's obvious. Anything illegal? No, not really. But then again, this is the country where parents aren't held accountable for their children anymore. The sue-happy country where everyone slaps a lawsuit on someone because they won't own up to their own ****-ups.

He didn't say that she did anything illegal, he said that he wishes that she could be charged. She was a child and it's ridiculous that grown *** people would do that to someone, even if she didn't end up killing herself.

[SkunkWurks6]

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Then you, my friend, have mental issues as bad as the girl who killed herself.

Is it messed up? Without a doubt! Should adults hold themselves to higher standards? Most definitely. Should anyone be held accountable because someone that doesn't have all their marbles kills themselves because you call them bad names? Hell ****in no!

It doesn't surprise me that most of America wants charges pressed and the woman arrested, even though she did NOTHING against the law. Morally wrong? Sure, that's obvious. Anything illegal? No, not really. But then again, this is the country where parents aren't held accountable for their children anymore. The sue-happy country where everyone slaps a lawsuit on someone because they won't own up to their own ****-ups.

The girl's parents messed up. First off, a 13 year old should NOT be allowed on myspace at all, too much stuff on there. When the parents first saw those kinds of postings, they should have blocked the other user. Then, the girl should have been having some SERIOUS psychiatric help, obviously. Calling a girl a hoochie doesn't make a girl commit suicide if she isn't insane.

So if I gave someone a gun at their lowest point and told them "do it", and they killed themselves I shouldn't be held responsible? You may say "Nope, you shouldn't". Let me ask you then what if it was a family member of yours that ended up killing themselves. Would I be guilty of wrong doing then?

[SkunkWurks6]

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But the point that you're missing is that the woman KNEW she had a psychiatric problem. Yes, she probably shouldn't have an account on myspace, but you know what? Parents can't regulate everything kids do.

I don't think you quite understand how impulsive teenagers can be.

I heard a conversation with the mother, they were in the room and monitered the myspace most of the time she was on there even to the point where the parents were the only ones who knew the password, she didn't log out one time when the mother had to pick up her other daughter and that's when the attacks from the other girl and mother started.