Welcome to the Jungle

[boomhauertjs]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

Grunge would've been big no matter if G'N'R stayed together (they released the Spaghetti Incident after Nevermind was released). Grunge was a backlash to the extravagant hair band 80's. People wanted good music, not good looking singers with crappy songs. However, I think G'n'R would've survived (unlike Poison, Motley Crue, etc.) because they had good songs. Unfortunately, Axl is crazy.

I saw the "new" GnR back in 2002. It was actually a really good concert. Buckethead was an amazing guitarist. While I'm the original lineup would've been even better, I think that version of GnR could've been really good. Now it looks like "Chinese Democracy" will never come out.

[eXperiment63]

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Ugh.. what could have been.. my fav all time was "Mr Brownstone".. Axl now is not quite the vocalist he was then... & that MTV "comeback" (yeah, with Buckethead) was pitiful

Axl, RIGHT NOW, is better than he was from 88-92. That first attempt on MTV was atrocious, but these days he is much much better.

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I, personally couldn't stand Axl's voice back then live... But the years have aged his voice to damn near perfection IMO.

[pk500]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

Grunge would've been big no matter if G'N'R stayed together (they released the Spaghetti Incident after Nevermind was released). Grunge was a backlash to the extravagant hair band 80's. People wanted good music, not good looking singers with crappy songs. However, I think G'n'R would've survived (unlike Poison, Motley Crue, etc.) because they had good songs. Unfortunately, Axl is crazy.

I saw the "new" GnR back in 2002. It was actually a really good concert. Buckethead was an amazing guitarist. While I'm the original lineup would've been even better, I think that version of GnR could've been really good. Now it looks like "Chinese Democracy" will never come out.

"The Spaghetti Incident" was nothing but punk covers and crap, G N R's attempt to stay relevant in the grunge onslaught. It wasn't a proper studio album, as the band already was in tatters by then.

Take care,
PK

[Scottdau]

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Wait, that is the measure of a great band?

I think so, it is at least one of them. It is the IT factor. They all seem to go well with each other. Especially their voices.

[eXperiment63]

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I think so, it is at least one of them. It is the IT factor. They all seem to go well with each other. Especially their voices.

You do realize that every single person can sing in every single key correct? Any musician should be able to harmonize with another. The reason they were great is because they had a hard and fast IN YOUR FACE sound and attitude. It had a lost of bluesy licks and a whole lotta 'F*** YOU' attitude to it.

EDIT: Just figured I would come back and explain a little something about vocal harmonies to you. A GOOD 4-man harmony would not be all four men singing the same note in the same octave. They would be forming a 'chord' with their vocals.

Man one would be singing C2
Man two would be singing E2
Man three would be singing G2
Man four would be singing C3

That is the root, 3rd, 5th, and root-octave of the C chord in the 2nd octave.

THAT would give the vocal harmony a really nice and thick sound. If they all sang C2, it would sound like cats ****ing. It wouldn't be pretty.

[Scottdau]

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You do realize that every single person can sing in every single key correct? Any musician should be able to harmonize with another. The reason they were great is because they had a hard and fast IN YOUR FACE sound and attitude. It had a lost of bluesy licks and a whole lotta 'F*** YOU' attitude to it.

EDIT: Just figured I would come back and explain a little something about vocal harmonies to you. A GOOD 4-man harmony would not be all four men singing the same note in the same octave. They would be forming a 'chord' with their vocals.

Man one would be singing C2
Man two would be singing E2
Man three would be singing G2
Man four would be singing C3

That is the root, 3rd, 5th, and root-octave of the C chord in the 2nd octave.

THAT would give the vocal harmony a really nice and thick sound. If they all sang C2, it would sound like cats ****ing. It wouldn't be pretty.

You don't know what I mean. I am not talking about key like you think. Bascially they had "IT" Just the way they sounded together is what I mean. It is hard to explain.

[koebner]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

Grunge would've been big no matter if G'N'R stayed together (they released the Spaghetti Incident after Nevermind was released). Grunge was a backlash to the extravagant hair band 80's. People wanted good music, not good looking singers with crappy songs. However, I think G'n'R would've survived (unlike Poison, Motley Crue, etc.) because they had good songs. Unfortunately, Axl is crazy.

I saw the "new" GnR back in 2002. It was actually a really good concert. Buckethead was an amazing guitarist. While I'm the original lineup would've been even better, I think that version of GnR could've been really good. Now it looks like "Chinese Democracy" will never come out.

Agree with the grunge point...but GnR was circling the drain right after the bloated excess of the twin Use Your Illusion albums.
In retrospect,they are like a lot of bands-great first album,but never came close to following it up.

[KENYON06]

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Haha that's great. And yeah GNR was awesome, I always liked Axl's funny voice and Slash has some of the greatest phrasing in rock. I wish Buckethead didn't get involved with that remake crap. He's too good for that.

[pk500]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

You do realize that every single person can sing in every single key correct? Any musician should be able to harmonize with another. The reason they were great is because they had a hard and fast IN YOUR FACE sound and attitude. It had a lost of bluesy licks and a whole lotta 'F*** YOU' attitude to it.

EDIT: Just figured I would come back and explain a little something about vocal harmonies to you. A GOOD 4-man harmony would not be all four men singing the same note in the same octave. They would be forming a 'chord' with their vocals.

Man one would be singing C2
Man two would be singing E2
Man three would be singing G2
Man four would be singing C3

That is the root, 3rd, 5th, and root-octave of the C chord in the 2nd octave.

THAT would give the vocal harmony a really nice and thick sound. If they all sang C2, it would sound like cats ****ing. It wouldn't be pretty.

I agree with eX here. G N R was great because it was the only band to combine the few good elements of 80s hair band excess along with sludgy, Stonesy style riffs played FAST by Slash and a killer rhythm section, not to mention Izzy's great arrangements. Plus G N R was almost nihilistic with its lyrics instead of the banal, "girls, partying and fast cars" good-time lyrics that infested nearly every hair band song.

G N R was dangerous; there was nothing dangerous about hair bands. They were a bunch of p*ssies, especially musically.

Vocal harmonies are almost irrelevant to G N R. Other than "Patience," I can't think of one G N R song that features great harmonies. Plus, are we sure the band members sang the harmony in "Patience" and that it wasn't multiple vocal tracks by Axl? I think nearly all of the great layered vocal tracks in G N R songs are multiple Axl tracks, as his voice had great range.

Take care,
PK

[Scottdau]

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I agree with eX here. G N R was great because it was the only band to combine the few good elements of 80s hair band excess along with sludgy, Stonesy style riffs played FAST by Slash and a killer rhythm section, not to mention Izzy's great arrangements. Plus G N R was almost nihilistic with its lyrics instead of the banal, "girls, partying and fast cars" good-time lyrics that infested nearly every hair band song.

G N R was dangerous; there was nothing dangerous about hair bands. They were a bunch of p*ssies, especially musically.

Vocal harmonies are almost irrelevant to G N R. Other than "Patience," I can't think of one G N R song that features great harmonies. Plus, are we sure the band members sang the harmony in "Patience" and that it wasn't multiple vocal tracks by Axl? I think nearly all of the great layered vocal tracks in G N R songs are multiple Axl tracks, as his voice had great range.

Take care,
PK

But it really isn't all that, they just had this special sound together. I can't explain it. It was just special.

[Scottdau]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

I agree with eX here. G N R was great because it was the only band to combine the few good elements of 80s hair band excess along with sludgy, Stonesy style riffs played FAST by Slash and a killer rhythm section, not to mention Izzy's great arrangements. Plus G N R was almost nihilistic with its lyrics instead of the banal, "girls, partying and fast cars" good-time lyrics that infested nearly every hair band song.

G N R was dangerous; there was nothing dangerous about hair bands. They were a bunch of p*ssies, especially musically.

Vocal harmonies are almost irrelevant to G N R. Other than "Patience," I can't think of one G N R song that features great harmonies. Plus, are we sure the band members sang the harmony in "Patience" and that it wasn't multiple vocal tracks by Axl? I think nearly all of the great layered vocal tracks in G N R songs are multiple Axl tracks, as his voice had great range.



Take care,
PK

I think it was them, but who knows. Any ways that song was great. I still listen to it every day going home from work. I really like the song "Coma"

[RAZRr1275]

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"You know where you are? You're in the jungle baby! You're gonna DIEEEEEEE...."



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316682,00.html

Lol at this!

[DueceDiggla]

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I'm actually 60% through Slash's new book. I suggest any die hard GnR fan pick this up...its a pretty good read. I never realized just how badly these guys abused drugs and alcohol.

In the end everyone seems to think it was Axl who was the main reason why they broke up, and though I'm not up to that part of the book yet I would think it had more to do with the rest of the band being so out of it every single day of the week.

Unfortunately, there will never be another rock band like GnR.

[Scottdau]

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I'm actually 60% through Slash's new book. I suggest any die hard GnR fan pick this up...its a pretty good read. I never realized just how badly these guys abused drugs and alcohol.

In the end everyone seems to think it was Axl who was the main reason why they broke up, and though I'm not up to that part of the book yet I would think it had more to do with the rest of the band being so out of it every single day of the week.

Unfortunately, there will never be another rock band like GnR.

There is no question in my mind that Drugs was the biggest factor for the break up.

[mgoblue]

Re: Welcome to the Jungle

Sucks that Axl can't sing worth a crap anymore....i've heard attempted reunions and he sounds awful.