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  • daflyboys
    Banned
    • May 2003
    • 18238

    #1

    DirecTV: B*stard People!

    Ok, this all started in July of '06. DIRECTV has a really nice introductory package for new users: The NFL Sunday Ticket, a DVR, a portable DVD player and all of their channels for 6 months with the option to reduce it to another package should you not want the full amount of services/channels. Wow, great, I can do that for a year.

    Talk to the DTV sales person, he sets up the install, everything is peachy-keen.

    Oh, but wait...... didn't I know that by agreeing to accept the DVR (or if I wanted and HD-receiver, which I didn't) I REALLY agreed to a 2 year deal. How did I do that? Well, apparently on a separate portion of their website, distinct from what is spelled out in their introductory package, they had constructed an agreement concerning this. Did the salesman point this out? Oh, no. Did the installer indicate as such? Why should he?

    Ok, so I try to negotiate this with them and to no avail. Obviously, this has quickly become a "let the buyer beware" company on my mental list. Interestingly, though, when I attempt to call back with a PIN number to try to negotiate this, I get an automated operator which allows me to suspend my account for up to 6 months! Hmmm.... I get more satisfaction out of an automated portion of their service than from an actual human being. Spock would be proud! And this couldn't come at a better time as DTV doesn't carry the channel of my local baseball team. So know I can reorder my local cable co. service. Very nice.

    So we skip ahead to Dec. of '07. I'm in the process of relocating south. I call the DTV people to transfer the service as indicated on their website. I take my existing equipment to my new location. Shucks, I'm even enrolled in their mover's transfer contest where I could get an entire year mortgage or rent paid for! What a deal! The installer shows up as promised. Everything is all hooked up and ready to rock and roll....and then the paperwork comes out. Suspiciously, he has me sign an installation completed service as if I am getting an entire new service. I point this out to him, to which he responds that they just don't have those types of forms and that this is what the DTV office gives them. Now, since DTV is now on my certain list, I distinctly ask the installer if this is going to add any time to my existing contract which is up in mid-Aug of '08. He assures me that it absolutely will not. He leaves and I immediately contact a DTV service representative to ask him the same question. He ALSO assures me that my service contract is as it was.... Aug. '08 completion date.

    Well, the move didn't work out. Turns out we'll be staying back at our original location and I'm thinking the wonderful people at DTV will help facilitate putting the service back to my home and we'll just continue on our merry way to meet the Aug. '08 agreed upon contract date. Oh, but wait...... latest Mr. service operator indicates that since I had my service transfered in Dec. '07, I have now agreed to an ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS, putting my new termination date at Dec. of 2009! EXCUSE ME? And on top of this there is a $50 transfer fee since I am requesting two transfers within a 6 month period. Fine. Please show me in the list of fees anywhere on the web site where this is the case. Quickly seeing that I will be getting no where with Mr. service operator, I ask for a manager. Mr. manager calmly apologizes for any inconvenience I may be having. Great. Fine. Interestingly, though, my transfer fee as he derived from his "information" is actually $99, not $50! Now, being the diligent consumer that I am, I make sure that I am on DTV's website while we are discussing this. I fervently ask Mr. manager where on the website it indicates a $99 fee. He cannot do this. (Most likely because, it does not exist. I'm pretty sure this is a physics thing....maybe philosphy, I'm not sure.). He asks if I again could be put on hold to see what he can do. I wait....patiently. Mr. manager returns with this magnanomous deal! DTV will give me $10 off my bill per month for 12 months, PLUS an additional $80 lump sum credited to my account and my contract will actually now end in Dec. of '08, not '09. He furthe explains this will offset the $199 transfer fee. Yes, $199! I asked him when this grew from $99 to $199. He laid some DTV terminology on me which he could not explain, nor justify, nor point me in any direction on the website to spell out what each fee meant!

    I had pretty much had enough at this point. I told him I wanted my account to close as of this date (3/17). I think my best line of the conversation followed, when I summarized all the practices that DTV had engaged in, stating "It seems that Direct TV isn't exactly all that direct!"

    Mr. manager agreed and informed me that my early termination fee would be $180, not exactly spelling out how that was derived, but that that would be charged to my credit card on file. He also gave me a "billing dispute" address where I could write and explain the situation.

    Punchline #1: The credit card that I had on file with them was defunct because the number was hijacked about a week and half ago by some Dominican company. I hadn't given DTV my new card as it hadn't arrived as of yet!

    Punchline #2: Upon calling my credit card company to assure that they would make no payments, just in case DTV would attempt to contact them, the operator responded, when I told her which company, "oh, yeah....we've been getting a lot of those calls lately!"

    I don't care how many offers or packages DTV ever offers again. I don't even care if they enhance their HD channels to the point that a real pair of boobs will come through your TV screen......I'll never deal with them again.

    Bottom line: when you deal with DirecTV....don't expect them to be direct!
  • Dame
    Sweettouch
    • Jul 2004
    • 1246

    #2
    Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

    I haven't had any problem with them. I'll take them over Comcast
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    • p_rushing
      Hall Of Fame
      • Feb 2004
      • 14514

      #3
      Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

      Originally posted by sweettouch
      I haven't had any problem with them. I'll take them over Comcast
      Exactly, try the same thing with comcast and you would be paying a lot more.

      First off, you didn't read, it clearly states you sign up for a contract with the free install. Read the offer details.

      "SYSTEM LEASE: Purchase of 18 consecutive months (24 months for advanced receivers) of any DIRECTV base programming package ($29.99/mo. or above) or qualifying international services bundle required. FAILURE TO ACTIVATE ALL DIRECTV SYSTEM EQUIPMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EQUIPMENT LEASE ADDENDUM MAY RESULT IN A CHARGE OF $150 PER RECEIVER NOT ACTIVATED. IF YOU FAIL TO MAINTAIN YOUR PROGRAMMING COMMITMENT, DIRECTV MAY CHARGE A PRORATED FEE OF UP TO $480. RECEIVERS ARE AT ALL TIMES PROPERTY OF DIRECTV AND MUST BE RETURNED UPON CANCELLATION OF SERVICE OR ADDITIONAL FEES MAY APPLY. VISIT directv.com OR CALL 1–800–DIRECTV FOR DETAILS. Programming, pricing, terms and conditions subject to change at any time. Pricing residential. Taxes not included. Receipt of DIRECTV programming subject to DIRECTV Customer Agreement; copy provided at directv.com/legal and in first bill. DIRECTV, Inc. DIRECTV and the Cyclone Design logo are registered trademarks of DIRECTV, Inc. All other trademarks and service marks are the property of their respective owners."

      2nd, you really should have looked at the website to see that DTV didn't offer your local baseball channel.

      3rd, installer doesn't work for DTV, don't listen to a thing they say, they are not paid well and will tell you anything to either get you to pay them or get you to sign so they can leave.


      What you need to do is call DTV and say cancel service. Then when someone answers, say you need to talk to customer retention and they should give you a direct number and pin and transfer you. They will be able to correctly help you and get you the best deal, but sorry it is not their fault. Also, if you don't pay them, they have your address, credit card, and could go after their money and your credit report will get hit.

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      • daflyboys
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 18238

        #4
        Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

        Originally posted by p_rushing
        Exactly, try the same thing with comcast and you would be, etc., etc.......
        Comcast isn't part of the equation here. How Comcast does their business practice isn't relevant.

        First off, how do you know what I read or was even available to read at the time I signed up for this service? Regardless, I was willing to go through with my initial contract, even though they don't spell out (or didn't then) about advanced receivers. That would have taken me to Aug. '08.

        Second, I already knew that DTV didn't carry my local baseball team. I never made that part of the equation either.

        Third, I didn't listen to the installer when the transfer was done, which is why I called DTV and talked to an operator and verified that my original contract continued only until Aug. '08.

        The manager I talked to was in customer retention. That's why he was trying to juke and jive his way through this mess. If they were in the right with everything that they manipulated, then why am I getting apologies and alternate deals to begin with? The liability as I see it lies with them for deceptive business practices. That's why a letter to the Attorney General's office and the BBB, as well as copies to DTV's billing disputes office are to follow. I'm also going to research what similar problems people are experiencing with them and if there might even be a class action suit I can become part of.

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        • p_rushing
          Hall Of Fame
          • Feb 2004
          • 14514

          #5
          Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

          Directv will bend over backwards for customers if you complain because it cost more to get new customers than to keep them. That receiver you got for free cost back then depending on the model ~$800, plus the install, etc. That is why they have contracts.

          There is no way you will when any lawsuit. That quote is directly from the website, on every deal they have, included in all paperwork. Even though they don't mention it on the phone, it is included in the agreement you sign/receive. Yes they should always tell you on the phone, but the contract doesn't start until you actually get the install and then you have 3 days to cancel based on your state's laws.

          I would stop and not notify the BBB or file any lawsuit. The second you file any, all DTV has to do is notify the police of your failure to pay/paying with a stole card. Sure it was your own card, but hey DTV doesn't know that and they could just let the police straighten that out.

          DTV is in the right here. Your best bet is to email or mail a letter to DTV and see if you could work something out. Usually they will be more than willing to work something out because it keeps you as a customer or they get some of their investment back.

          I've had a billing mistake that I didn't see for 3-4 months and legally they didn't have to do anything about it, but a nice email got the situation fixed and they gave me free programing on top of the credit to make sure I was happy.

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          • daflyboys
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 18238

            #6
            Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

            http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ntractors.html


            Also, Google: "Directv class action lawsuits" and watch the hits just flow and flow. This company is dirt.
            Last edited by daflyboys; 03-18-2008, 05:36 PM.

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            • bkrich83
              Has Been
              • Jul 2002
              • 71579

              #7
              Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

              Never had any problems with them. I have always found their customer service to be *********. I'll never go back to cable.
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              • bigfnjoe96
                Hall Of Fame
                • Feb 2004
                • 11410

                #8
                Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                The minute they went to a Leasing Program, I was out.

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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #9
                  Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                  It's funny that I read this today...I had DTV until I moved out to San Diego. When I first moved in they couldn't get line of sight, so they had to terminate my account. I won't go into details, but it turned into a protracted 3 month battle over termination fees. In the end they did what they had agreed to do in the first place and I didn't pay anything.

                  Fast fwd to now and I am now in a place where I could get DTV. My cable bill just jumped because my sign up deal just ran out so I was thinking of going back to DTV...after reading this I think I'll be staying with Timewarner.
                  "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                  • The Chef
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 13684

                    #10
                    Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                    For every rotten story about Directv there are 3 people who arent talking about the good service they get, and thats the norm because the unsatisfied are always louder then the satisfied. I had my problems with the installation, which was a problem with Ironwood not Directv, and Directv actually sent someone to my house within 24-48 hours to take pictures of damage done by the installer, bought materials to fix it and actually replaced the siding on the house that was damaged themselves and just as good as it was prior to the damage. I had one billing problem in regards to NFL Sunday Ticket but got that worked out quickly. If I had one complaint it has to do with the leasing of boxes and the prices that I find to be way too high considering I have to return it even though I will have paid enough to own it at that time, but everything cant be perfect I guess.
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                    • daflyboys
                      Banned
                      • May 2003
                      • 18238

                      #11
                      Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                      Originally posted by Pimping219
                      For every rotten story about Directv there are 3 people who arent talking about the good service they get ...
                      Let's say your stats are right. So we should be good with a company that has a 25% deficiency / disapproval rating? When stories about their own distributors and installers are published indicating gross negligence and deceptive business practices, that's more than one red flag.

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                      • p_rushing
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 14514

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                        Originally posted by daflyboys
                        Let's say your stats are right. So we should be good with a company that has a 25% deficiency / disapproval rating? When stories about their own distributors and installers are published indicating gross negligence and deceptive business practices, that's more than one red flag.
                        These people are not DTV, that is the problem. DTV is aware of this and I think they are looking into hiring their own installers/distributors. DTV is not directly at fault when these idiots are shady and do everything they can to make money off you. I had an issue with my install and basically DTV told me they couldn't make the install company do anything and had no way to contact them if they decided not to answer the phone. It is an issue that DTV needs to fix, but again, it is not DTV it is another company who they happen to pay to install your dish.

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                        • coogrfan
                          In Fritz We Trust
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 15645

                          #13
                          Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                          Originally posted by bkrich83
                          Never had any problems with them. I have always found their customer service to be *********. I'll never go back to cable.
                          Ditto.

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                          • daflyboys
                            Banned
                            • May 2003
                            • 18238

                            #14
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                            Originally posted by p_rushing
                            These people are not DTV, that is the problem. DTV is aware of this and I think they are looking into hiring their own installers/distributors. DTV is not directly at fault when these idiots are shady and do everything they can to make money off you. I had an issue with my install and basically DTV told me they couldn't make the install company do anything and had no way to contact them if they decided not to answer the phone. It is an issue that DTV needs to fix, but again, it is not DTV it is another company who they happen to pay to install your dish.
                            Okay...take the installers and distributors out of the picture, even though that was DTV's business plan/model. DTV would have to do the recruiting to get these people, not the other way around. The distributors and installers didn't go knocking on their doors first. There's plenty of mom and pop electronics stores in a given area that are reputable and would love the chance to add a service to their business to compete with the Best Buys of the world.

                            Regardless, there's enough lack of information and billing malpractice stories to go around. Bottom line is they lied to me. Maybe your singing angelic praises about them now, but when that day comes that you run into a business deception that they practice, make sure you come back here and tell us all about it.

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                            • coogrfan
                              In Fritz We Trust
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 15645

                              #15
                              Re: DirecTV: B*stard People!

                              I don't think anyone is saying you don't have the right to be angry, we're just telling you that your experience hasn't been typical.

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