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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #286
    Re: Heroes Season 3

    Originally posted by Secondbase22
    Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. I think it's lazy writing more than anything. I'm just saying though, her reasoning that Sylar said there was something different about her would hardly be enough for me to jump to a conclusion like she did. Sylar could've been talking about anything about her, it's not like he implied that she was the catalyst or anything. I guess she could have interpreted that way but it wasn't especially ironclad.
    True. It was rushed and in order to get the thought in, they needed her to know too quickly.

    It would have made more sense if Suresh discovered this on his own.

    To me, the following would have made this entire catalyst ordeal better on Heroes:

    Suresh continues with his studies. Arthur Petrelli talks about how he knows that Kaito Nakamura didn't do a good job of hiding it (this can allude to Angela and Kaito once being friends and Arthur having some knowledge of Claire's involvement).

    Arthur, having this intuition, looks deeply into the matter and somehow discovers that Claire was responsible for healing Nathan after he burned himself in the Season One Finale.

    He, being Arthur Petrelli, gets a hold of the blood used and orders Suresh to study it, suggesting that if it can heal those with powers, perhaps it can have some affect on removing powers. Never hurts to try. Suresh is the kind of guy that will consider all options. But Arthur doesn't tell Suresh where it came from.

    Suresh does his study and his eyes pop out of his head. He runs the test on the test study and the man is healed. Suresh rushes over to Arthur and tells him what he's discovered. At that point, Arthur tells Flint and Knox to capture Claire and that is when Suresh realizes what he's done.

    Fade out on Suresh in fear.

    Something of that sort might have been a better way of revealing the catalyst to us. Rather than Claire claiming, "Oh, I know I'm the one because it just makes sense!"
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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    • SpacemanSpiff
      MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 1279

      #287
      Re: Heroes Season 3

      Originally posted by YankeePride
      True. It was rushed and in order to get the thought in, they needed her to know too quickly.

      It would have made more sense if Suresh discovered this on his own.

      To me, the following would have made this entire catalyst ordeal better on Heroes:

      Suresh continues with his studies. Arthur Petrelli talks about how he knows that Kaito Nakamura didn't do a good job of hiding it (this can allude to Angela and Kaito once being friends and Arthur having some knowledge of Claire's involvement).

      Arthur, having this intuition, looks deeply into the matter and somehow discovers that Claire was responsible for healing Nathan after he burned himself in the Season One Finale.

      He, being Arthur Petrelli, gets a hold of the blood used and orders Suresh to study it, suggesting that if it can heal those with powers, perhaps it can have some affect on removing powers. Never hurts to try. Suresh is the kind of guy that will consider all options. But Arthur doesn't tell Suresh where it came from.

      Suresh does his study and his eyes pop out of his head. He runs the test on the test study and the man is healed. Suresh rushes over to Arthur and tells him what he's discovered. At that point, Arthur tells Flint and Knox to capture Claire and that is when Suresh realizes what he's done.

      Fade out on Suresh in fear.

      Something of that sort might have been a better way of revealing the catalyst to us. Rather than Claire claiming, "Oh, I know I'm the one because it just makes sense!"
      Agreed. I know I'm harping on a point but it just seems like lazy writing or poorly planned out episodes in my opinion. Your version would've been much, much easier to buy.
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      • Ridgeberg
        Pro
        • Apr 2003
        • 716

        #288
        Re: Heroes Season 3

        Originally posted by Secondbase22
        Agreed. I know I'm harping on a point but it just seems like lazy writing or poorly planned out episodes in my opinion. Your version would've been much, much easier to buy.
        Angela alluded to a "key" to the formula when she spoke with Hire. Then Hiro and Ando released Adam (the key).

        When Arthur killed Adam, it is feasible that he did not know that the formula needed a catalyst. I am not sure how he figured it was Claire so quickly.

        Does this mean that Adam could have been a catalyst as well? Or is this unique to Claire. If the catalyst is only Claire, the whole story line regarding Adam seems pointless (other than to get Arthur back into the picture). Unless Adam knew that Claire was the catalyst, but I am not sure they have ever met. Adam wasn't exactly on the best terms with Kaito and Angela.

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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #289
          Re: Heroes Season 3

          Originally posted by Ridgeberg
          Angela alluded to a "key" to the formula when she spoke with Hire. Then Hiro and Ando released Adam (the key).

          When Arthur killed Adam, it is feasible that he did not know that the formula needed a catalyst. I am not sure how he figured it was Claire so quickly.

          Does this mean that Adam could have been a catalyst as well? Or is this unique to Claire. If the catalyst is only Claire, the whole story line regarding Adam seems pointless (other than to get Arthur back into the picture). Unless Adam knew that Claire was the catalyst, but I am not sure they have ever met. Adam wasn't exactly on the best terms with Kaito and Angela.
          Him figuring out it was Claire I think is believable. He knows the company's history thanks to Angela being his wife, and it probably doesn't take much for a man like him to put two-and-two together. The Company is keeping this young girl safe, for what appears to be no apparent reason, and Arthur just figures he now knows why.

          I can buy him figuring it out. I can't buy Claire figuring it out even with Sylar telling her that she's special. Claire, for what it's worth, doesn't even know much about the formula. Without even knowing anything about it, how can she figure out that she's the catalyst? It's a rush job by the writers.

          As an audience we were played with because there was no build up to this realization. A simple mention episodes ago does not warrant a huge reveal. We've been watching this show over two seasons now and all we've gotten is news and news about Claire being kept hidden away. Noah just keeps talking about how he's looking out for her best interest.

          Why didn't the writers pony up on this? There should have been stronger indication that there was a catalyst and it's someone with unique blood. Instead, it was mentioned in passing, and now, all this build up about Claire and trying to understand why she was being kept safe by Noah, is for naught. In less than a minute, the entire thing is revealed as a side note.

          It makes her entire storyline for the past two seasons worthless to the audience if she was able to deduct her importance with the mere mention of a catalyst to a formula she knows nothing about until that moment.
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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          • Beantown
            #DoYourJob
            • Feb 2005
            • 31523

            #290
            Re: Heroes Season 3

            Yeah, this wasn't the first time the "key" had been brought up. As said above, Angela told Hiro and Ando they needed to Adam because he knew who the key was, or was the key himself - I forget which it actually was.

            Arthur also knows/thinks Claire is the catalyst, which explains why Knox and Flamer were sent after her right after Arthur talked about the catalyst.

            Claire knows she is the catalyst because Sylar told her she was special. Maybe it's just me, but if a psychotic killer took my power yet spared my life and told me: "I can't kill you, Claire, even if I wanted to. You're not like the rest of us - you're special"...and then Angela talks about this catalyst being different than the rest of the heroes, I would've made the same exact assumption just as quickly. Maybe I just don't understand the complaint about that particular point.

            Now...unless the previews were misleading, next week's episode is going to be pretty stupid. That complaint I completely agree with.

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            • Behindshadows
              CEO - BSG Network
              • Nov 2004
              • 8055

              #291
              Re: Heroes Season 3

              This show has officially fell off and gone down many wrong roads...

              I don't see a Season 4 if they keep going into this direction of poor writing.

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #292
                Re: Heroes Season 3

                Originally posted by Buffalo Soldier

                Claire knows she is the catalyst because Sylar told her she was special. Maybe it's just me, but if a psychotic killer took my power yet spared my life and told me: "I can't kill you, Claire, even if I wanted to. You're not like the rest of us - you're special"...and then Angela talks about this catalyst being different than the rest of the heroes, I would've made the same exact assumption just as quickly. Maybe I just don't understand the complaint about that particular point.
                It's this on-going storyline of Claire being special. No one can decide why she is, so every season it's something new.

                I just feel that the reveal was dull. And they tried to amp it up with a close-up that only made me feel as if they were trying to pull me in a certain emotional direction. I was put off by it.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • Coug00
                  LOB
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3476

                  #293
                  Re: Heroes Season 3

                  Originally posted by Behindshadows
                  This show has officially fell off and gone down many wrong roads...

                  I don't see a Season 4 if they keep going into this direction of poor writing.
                  Agreed. This season started off so well and has turned to crap rather quickly. I'd say season 4 of Heroes is 50/50 at this point.

                  Kring doesn't sound like he has an idea what he's doing either. He doesn't like serialization of Heroes and would prefer to write rinse and repeat seasons where the cast is let go and brand new characters are brought in every season (similar to season 2's influx of new...and boring characters).

                  That sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard.
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                  • Ridgeberg
                    Pro
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 716

                    #294
                    Re: Heroes Season 3

                    Originally posted by YankeePride
                    Him figuring out it was Claire I think is believable. He knows the company's history thanks to Angela being his wife, and it probably doesn't take much for a man like him to put two-and-two together. The Company is keeping this young girl safe, for what appears to be no apparent reason, and Arthur just figures he now knows why.

                    I can buy him figuring it out. I can't buy Claire figuring it out even with Sylar telling her that she's special. Claire, for what it's worth, doesn't even know much about the formula. Without even knowing anything about it, how can she figure out that she's the catalyst? It's a rush job by the writers.

                    As an audience we were played with because there was no build up to this realization. A simple mention episodes ago does not warrant a huge reveal. We've been watching this show over two seasons now and all we've gotten is news and news about Claire being kept hidden away. Noah just keeps talking about how he's looking out for her best interest.

                    Why didn't the writers pony up on this? There should have been stronger indication that there was a catalyst and it's someone with unique blood. Instead, it was mentioned in passing, and now, all this build up about Claire and trying to understand why she was being kept safe by Noah, is for naught. In less than a minute, the entire thing is revealed as a side note.

                    It makes her entire storyline for the past two seasons worthless to the audience if she was able to deduct her importance with the mere mention of a catalyst to a formula she knows nothing about until that moment.
                    Unless Claire really isn't the catalyst.

                    There have been so many different red herrings in this season, it wouldn't surprise me to have her being chased for the rest of the season, finally being caught in the finale, only for Arthur to realize that she isn't the catalyst...

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #295
                      Re: Heroes Season 3

                      Originally posted by Ridgeberg
                      Unless Claire really isn't the catalyst.

                      There have been so many different red herrings in this season, it wouldn't surprise me to have her being chased for the rest of the season, finally being caught in the finale, only for Arthur to realize that she isn't the catalyst...
                      I thought about this, and honestly, if that happens, though I'm not happy about this reveal, I will shut off Heroes for good.
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • Coug00
                        LOB
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 3476

                        #296
                        Re: Heroes Season 3

                        Originally posted by Buffalo Soldier
                        Now...unless the previews were misleading, next week's episode is going to be pretty stupid. That complaint I completely agree with.
                        I read an interview with Kring where he talked a little about this and...

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                        • soltrain
                          The Batman
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6863

                          #297
                          Re: Heroes Season 3

                          Originally posted by Coug00
                          I read an interview with Kring where he talked a little about this and...

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                          That makes no ****ing sense as to what is happening right now. It would just...switch like that next week?
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                          • GAMEC0CK2002
                            Stayin Alive
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 10384

                            #298
                            Re: Heroes Season 3

                            Saw the episode and thought it was decent. The catalyst reveal needed a bigger buildup, no doubt.

                            My question then becomes, where does the solar eclipse fit in?

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                            • Coug00
                              LOB
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 3476

                              #299
                              Re: Heroes Season 3

                              Originally posted by soltrain
                              That makes no ****ing sense as to what is happening right now. It would just...switch like that next week?
                              If Kring had his way originally that's how Heroes would be. A bunch of random stories about people with abilities with no real ties to any character from season to season. Basically a concept similar to Tales from Crypt. Random stories.

                              He admitted he didn't have a master plan for Heroes, so they keep trying new directions for it, realize the new direction didn't work, then try again with something completely different.

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                              • soltrain
                                The Batman
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 6863

                                #300
                                Re: Heroes Season 3

                                Originally posted by Coug00
                                If Kring had his way originally that's how Heroes would be. A bunch of random stories about people with abilities with no real ties to any character from season to season. Basically a concept similar to Tales from Crypt. Random stories.

                                He admitted he didn't have a master plan for Heroes, so they keep trying new directions for it, realize the new direction didn't work, then try again with something completely different.

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                                Well they should have never used time travel in the first place - because that automatically creates plot holes. For instance - why doesn't Peter care about his girlfriend from season 2?
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