Heroes Season 3

[soltrain]

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No they don't. It still blows my mind how one of the most smart and resourceful people on the show (Noah) doesn't think to use Claire's blood to bring Nathan back to life especially since he was the one brought back to life. You can't just ignore a whole season of your show even if the writing was terrible and out of hand for that period. At least try to justify it with a cancel out event, don't just ignore it and hope people don't notice.

Also Noah would've probably done the logical thing and said that they should let Peter in on Nathan's death and have him impersonate Nathan long enough for them to fake his death as Nathan so "people with abilities" didn't get implicated. Completely out of character, IMO.

I agree. I think they are viewing it as it being the only way they can "control" Sylar, and I get that - but they could have easily turned him into some random person.

But I guess that isn't interesting television.

[CaptainZombie]

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Finally got around to watching it. My impressions...

I agree the "limitless" powers thing is a bit boring (though I like super-powered villains).

This is why Daredevil (a character with serious limitations) has always been my favorite hero. Also a huge fan of Iron Man (another flawed character).

For this reason, I like that they are trying to make Hiro less powerful by limiting what he can do. It also throws a monkey-wrench in the Hiro-Ando dyad which I have found entertaining.

By the way, does Ando still have the ability to supercharge other people's abilities. If so, why doesn't he just supercharge Hiro's so it takes less effort to stop time. Or are we going to ignore that that is his real power, and does he now just shoot lightning.

Parkman is taking Hiro's place as the way too powerful character though.

I didn't know there was supposed to be a death in the finale, and my heart dropped when Nathan (one of my top 3 favorite characters with Sylar and Noah) was dropped.

The Niki ending was cool.

Peter is still a wildcard as far as what his abilities are and what he can and can't do, which is fine. They'll clarify it next season. I think Pete sticking Sylar as the president was my favorite part of the episode.

Finally, the big finale (Sylar into Nathan) sucked. I'm sorry, but there are a million better solutions than this. For one, Peter the shapeshifter could have been Nathan for awhile, had a nervous breakdown, and resigned from politics.

Or, Peter the shapeshifter/healer could have faked his own death in a way tha thas nothing to do with people with abilities: assassination, car/plane crash, suicide, etc.

There are a billion ways this could have went, those are just some suggestions off the top. I understand that the writers have to keep Sylar on the show, but it makes the characters look dumb as that is the only idea they could come up with (Let's turn Sylar into Nathan!).

That said, I did like the part where we saw traces of Sylar in Nathan 2.0. Overall, there were both good and bad parts, but that last part really soured me on the finale.

I agree, the ending w/ Nikki was very cool.

[billmatic]

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Them not killing Sylar was beyond ********. There were all kinds of alternatives (several of which have been mentioned in this thread), but they go with the one where they keep Sylar alive? Really? It's like the old Batman show, where instead of just shooting him in the face, the villain puts him on some elaborate death contraption and gives him time to escape.

[Coug00]

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The problem is there's only one way to kill Sylar and they didn't know how to since he moved his brain (You know how ******** that sounds if you don't watch the show?).

W/o knowing how S4 plays out I'm not a huge fan of Sylar being Nathan, but at least this gives them time to introduce new villains without Sylar overshadowing them.

[LionsFanNJ]

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I'm sure it will all come back to Sylar as usual.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Them not killing Sylar was beyond ********. There were all kinds of alternatives (several of which have been mentioned in this thread), but they go with the one where they keep Sylar alive? Really? It's like the old Batman show, where instead of just shooting him in the face, the villain puts him on some elaborate death contraption and gives him time to escape.

Scott Evil: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!
Dr. Evil: Scott, you just don't get it, do ya? You don't.

[Streets]

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The problem is there's only one way to kill Sylar and they didn't know how to since he moved his brain (You know how ******** that sounds if you don't watch the show?).

Well, they "killed" the fake Sylar (shape shifter from building 26) by burning him to death while unconscious. Why can't you do that to the real Sylar: put him in an incinerator, or dump his body in a vat of acid, or, decapitate him. I'm sure they could think of a way to kill him or bury him alive in an inescapable tomb like Adam Monroe.

Nathan's death actually had meaning and was impactful, which was the first time I felt that has happened since Isaac's or Simone's death in S1.

I also wanted to respond to this earlier. I wholeheartedly agree, but that's maybe because Nathan was always one of my favorite characters from the very beginning (I always liked the morally ambiguous guys like HRG-Sylar-Nathan over the Peter-Hiro-Claire do-gooder types).

While some may think it was corny, I liked that Nathan got his redemption before dying (stopped hiding who he was, said he'll answer for his crimes, called Sylar "one of us", told Peter he loved him). All those moments to me, made his death have even more of an impact (I'm still pissed he's dead!)

[Coug00]

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Well, they "killed" the fake Sylar (shape shifter from building 26) by burning him to death while unconscious. Why can't you do that to the real Sylar: put him in an incinerator, or dump his body in a vat of acid, or, decapitate him. I'm sure they could think of a way to kill him or bury him alive in an inescapable tomb like Adam Monroe.

But that shape-shifter couldn't heal like Sylar. Sylar can't die from fire or acid as he'll just continually burn and heal. Can't decapitate him because that's not where his brain is anymore...as weird as it is, he'd just grow his head, eyes, mouth, etc back. Permanently impaling the brain is the only way to kill him and they didn't know where it was. I guess they could have sandwiched him between a couple of spike strips and hope they hit the brain.

The writers won't kill off Sylar until the Series finale. He's the Evil to Peter's Good. Yin and Yang. This way allowed them to take a break from Sylar w/o killing him.

And on another note, I'm thinking we'll see future Hiro sooner than later. I hope getting rid of the time travel cop-out is going to force the writers to turn Hiro into the Samurai so he's able to fulfill his super hero destiny.

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Burn Sylar's body with a strong enough fire so that wherever his brain is just gets disintegrated. Chop his body into 100,000 pieces so that wherever his brain is gets damaged. The fact that he moved his brain is not a good excuse for not trying to kill him especially when you're able to get the government behind you. This guy has been the villain for all this time and you finally capture him and what do you do? Let him live? Logic fail. If you can't find a way to kill him while he's knocked out, you might as well give up for the rest of the show because Sylar's should be even more careful after this.

I know our Heroes justified turning Sylar into Nathan by saying that if the world discovered that a person with powers killed a U.S. senator that they would never be able to rest easy. However, there's a fairly simple alternative for that too. Get Peter to shapeshift into Nathan and act as him for a few months and then fake his death somehow that doesn't seem related to a murder by a person with powers. They could bring Peter into the Company at that point and it'd be fine. Sure Peter might sob about it and Angela would cry about losing her son but turning Sylar into Nathan shouldn't make Angela feel any better and Peter would have to realize that the most logical way to proceed is by following this plan.

But wait, this could be all moot if Nathan could be brought back to life. Nathan didn't even have to stay dead because Claire's blood could've brought him back unless some unexplained reason prevented it from working. Plothole that they are just hoping we won't question.

It's so predictable that Sylar is gonna break out of the illusion at one point and the Heroes are gonna have to deal with him as a villain again when they clearly should've done everything they could to kill him for good. You don't get that many chances to subdue Sylar; you have to capitalize on the one time you do.

With all that said, I kinda enjoyed the season finale anyway. But I kinda had to turn off all my logical processes and enjoy it for the twists and plot advancement even though it would make no sense if I really thought about it. That's what keeps Heroes from being a truly great show and merely a watchable show to me.

[Beantown]

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The reason they didn't kill Sylar, the reason they didn't show the Sylar/Peter/Nathan fight scene, the reason Peter is going to stay as Peter and not shapeshift into Nathan seems pretty obvious to me...

I'm hoping, at least, that the season finale is going to finally have the Peter/Sylar fight the writers know every single one of Heroes fans want to see. They won't kill Sylar unless Peter kills him, they won't have Peter stay powerless forever, they won't do anything that will ruin the (again, hopeful) plan that Sylar and Peter will finally have their epic all-out-power battle.

I can see the preview already...."It is the battle that Heroes fans have been waiting for. Next week, the final battle between good [Flash quick shots of Peter, HRG, Hrio, Claire] and evil [flash quick shots of Sylar, maybe another baddie or two] is here. [Show clip of Peter and Sylar standing facing each other, preparing to fight."

Oh, how perfect that would be.

[Coug00]

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The reason they didn't kill Sylar, the reason they didn't show the Sylar/Peter/Nathan fight scene, the reason Peter is going to stay as Peter and not shapeshift into Nathan seems pretty obvious to me...

I'm hoping, at least, that the season finale is going to finally have the Peter/Sylar fight the writers know every single one of Heroes fans want to see. They won't kill Sylar unless Peter kills him, they won't have Peter stay powerless forever, they won't do anything that will ruin the (again, hopeful) plan that Sylar and Peter will finally have their epic all-out-power battle.

I can see the preview already...."It is the battle that Heroes fans have been waiting for. Next week, the final battle between good [Flash quick shots of Peter, HRG, Hrio, Claire] and evil [flash quick shots of Sylar, maybe another baddie or two] is here. [Show clip of Peter and Sylar standing facing each other, preparing to fight."

Oh, how perfect that would be.

Right, Peter and Sylar are Yin and Yang. They'll be there together at the end. Like I said, this gives them the opportunity to put Sylar in the background as a villain for a while. We'll still have awkward moments of Sylar possibly coming out of Nathan, but they'll be able to develop other baddies while Sylar is in hibernation.

As far as others questioning why didn't they go to extremes to kill Sylar. Yes, it lacks logic. I compare it in the sense of a victim in a Halloween or Friday the 13th movie running back into the house. Logically, it makes no sense at all, but it makes for an intense and entertaining scene. Unfortunately, Kring never had the intentions of Heroes being a continuously intertwined serial drama. We just have to try to enjoy Heroes for what it is, mindless entertainment with lots of plotholes.

[CMH]

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Is it sad that I pretty much had a good idea on what happened all season by watching 10 minutes of the Finale and reading the last number of comments on the Finale? (By the way, I didn't watch this season with the exception of the few minutes I watched of the Finale).

What I don't know (probably because I switched the channel) is how Sylar becomes Nathan? What do you guys mean by "Lets change Sylar to Nathan?" I saw when Nathan looks at the clock and adjusts it. I saw Mom's reaction and I figured, "Ah, the guy is Sylar." But, why doesn't Sylar know this? What happened there?

I also saw that fight scene and wow, I mean, wow. Season 1 led us to that boring street fight in the Finale and a melodramatic finish with Nathan sweeping Peter away. And three chapters later, we're still getting these horrible fighting scenes? I mean, seriously? A closed door? That's their solution? I'm so glad I'm off this show.

[CMH]

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As far as others questioning why didn't they go to extremes to kill Sylar. Yes, it lacks logic. I compare it in the sense of a victim in a Halloween or Friday the 13th movie running back into the house. Logically, it makes no sense at all, but it makes for an intense and entertaining scene. Unfortunately, Kring never had the intentions of Heroes being a continuously intertwined serial drama. We just have to try to enjoy Heroes for what it is, mindless entertainment with lots of plotholes.

Reading things like this and I can't help but think of Heroes as a Soap Opera with super powered characters. Has it really come to this sort of work around for keeping people dead or alive?

[billmatic]

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The reason they didn't kill Sylar, the reason they didn't show the Sylar/Peter/Nathan fight scene, the reason Peter is going to stay as Peter and not shapeshift into Nathan seems pretty obvious to me...

I'm hoping, at least, that the season finale is going to finally have the Peter/Sylar fight the writers know every single one of Heroes fans want to see. They won't kill Sylar unless Peter kills him, they won't have Peter stay powerless forever, they won't do anything that will ruin the (again, hopeful) plan that Sylar and Peter will finally have their epic all-out-power battle.

I can see the preview already...."It is the battle that Heroes fans have been waiting for. Next week, the final battle between good [Flash quick shots of Peter, HRG, Hrio, Claire] and evil [flash quick shots of Sylar, maybe another baddie or two] is here. [Show clip of Peter and Sylar standing facing each other, preparing to fight."

Oh, how perfect that would be.

I think it's obvious they are/were not going to get rid of Sylar, that would be stupid, as he's the biggest villain, and one of the most interesting characters. And I agree, seeing a full episode dedicated to him and Peter battling it out would be awesome.

I just wish they didn't create the plot-line where HRG had the opportunity to kill him, and then thought, "Eh, nevermind"

[billmatic]

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What I don't know (probably because I switched the channel) is how Sylar becomes Nathan? What do you guys mean by "Lets change Sylar to Nathan?" I saw when Nathan looks at the clock and adjusts it. I saw Mom's reaction and I figured, "Ah, the guy is Sylar." But, why doesn't Sylar know this? What happened there?

Basically, while Sylar's knocked out, Parkman used his abilities to wipe Sylar's mind of all his 'Sylar' memories and convince him he was now Nathan, which then somehow triggered his shapeshifting ability to shift him into Nathan.