The Dark Knight Rises

[Fresh Tendrils]

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He did give Ra's Al Ghul a pretty damn good one in Begins.

It was a lot more actiony, but that the end of Batman Begins is really the worst part of the film. The end with the Joker is amazing, though. I think there was a definite intention on some kind of continuation with the character in the third movie. Sure, it wasn't "memorable", but it had the feel of a typical end to a Batman and Joker saga. By the end of it all parties are just tired enough to be happy its over, but miss it enough to look forward to more.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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It was a lot more actiony, but that the end of Batman Begins is really the worst part of the film. The end with the Joker is amazing, though. I think there was a definite intention on some kind of continuation with the character in the third movie. Sure, it wasn't "memorable", but it had the feel of a typical end to a Batman and Joker saga. By the end of it all parties are just tired enough to be happy its over, but miss it enough to look forward to more.

That's fine in the comics where the Joker could be a recurring character but Nolan was only making 3 movies so a more definite closure would have been appropriate for the Joker. Only because even if Nolan had plans for the joker in the 3rd film, it would have been in a lighthearted minor role most likely and being Bane's bitch (having the Joker as a main villain again would have been pointless and just a rinse and repeat of TDK) and I think that would have marginalized the character and taken away from TDK.

I felt the lighthearted way the Scarecrow was used in the 2 sequals took away some of his effectiveness when you rewatch Batman Begins.

[BlueNGold]

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It was a lot more actiony, but that the end of Batman Begins is really the worst part of the film. The end with the Joker is amazing, though. I think there was a definite intention on some kind of continuation with the character in the third movie. Sure, it wasn't "memorable", but it had the feel of a typical end to a Batman and Joker saga. By the end of it all parties are just tired enough to be happy its over, but miss it enough to look forward to more.

I don't think the end of Batman Begins was the worst part of the movie. Moreso just the idea that what was up to that point a comic book movie that was doing things unlike any other ended up using such a cut and dry "comic-y" end plot.

And really that's probably my biggest issue with the trilogy as a whole. They all had a similar climax with Ra's and the microwave emitter, Joker and the boats, and Bane and the power core thing (forgetting the name of it at the moment).

As for the final scene between Batman and The Joker in TDK, it did fall flat in terms of a "final battle", but it made sense because The Joker isn't a fighter. And his speech afterwards more than made up for that.

[Kashanova]

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I'd love for there to be an Directors cut as i just keep wanting more and more footage

[Fresh Tendrils]

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That's fine in the comics where the Joker could be a recurring character but Nolan was only making 3 movies so a more definite closure would have been appropriate for the Joker.

Right. I'm sure Nolan was thinking of using him in some way, but even if he didn't there was closure to the Joker story, just not closure on the Joker/Batman relationship. The Joker's monologue is the perfect summation of their relationship and more than makes up for the somewhat slighted action climax. ****, Batman takes down The Joker, ropes him up and leaves him for the SWAT team to jail him. That is how it should be done, but instead Bats apparently kills the rest of the villains not named Joker or Scarecrow (I guess Bane is attributed to Catwoman, but she used Bat's gun). Outside of the action set pieces themselves (including the SONAR wonkiness), I don't see how to improve or change the final confrontation to strengthen that aspect of the film.

I felt the lighthearted way the Scarecrow was used in the 2 sequals took away some of his effectiveness when you rewatch Batman Begins.

I disagree because ultimately this trilogy was about Bruce Wayne not only becoming Batman, but dedicating himself to it 100%. In Batman Begins Bats is still learning the ropes. It would make sense for him to best Scarecrow more easily now considering Batman is more experienced and better equipped. I enjoyed the way they included him in TDKR (though it was fairly unnecessary and Cilian was phoning it in big time), but feel like that role would have been perfect for The Joker (especially considering the Animated Series has done that already).

[Blzer]

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I disagree because ultimately this trilogy was about Bruce Wayne not only becoming Batman, but dedicating himself to it 100%. In Batman Begins Bats is still learning the ropes. It would make sense for him to best Scarecrow more easily now considering Batman is more experienced and better equipped. I enjoyed the way they included him in TDKR (though it was fairly unnecessary and Cilian was phoning it in big time), but feel like that role would have been perfect for The Joker (especially considering the Animated Series has done that already).

I just feel like the Joker wouldn't take part in Bane's occupancy. He wants chaos. The so-called "liberation" was just another system of order, but it was still order. I think the Joker would do what he could to best Bane and take him down, if not kill him or die trying.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I just feel like the Joker wouldn't take part in Bane's occupancy. He wants chaos. The so-called "liberation" was just another system of order, but it was still order. I think the Joker would do what he could to best Bane and take him down, if not kill him or die trying.

I don't know. The Joker is pretty much a wild card, but his biggest hangup is his pure joy of ****ing with Batman.

Either way, I'm sure if Heath was still living the story for TDKR would be quite different.

[Blzer]

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I don't know. The Joker is pretty much a wild card, but his biggest hangup is his pure joy of ****ing with Batman.

Either way, I'm sure if Heath was still living the story for TDKR would be quite different.

Well, at that point in the story, Batman is quite obsolete... until he returns, of course.

Yes, I think the story would have played out differently as well.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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No bonus scenes on home video release.

[Blzer]

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No bonus scenes on home video release.

That's okay. As I said, that rumor was probably false anyway. Neither the novel nor the shooting script had any indication of a 30 minute extended cut.

However, that being said, the original first draft could have been that long, if not maybe even four hours long. That wasn't what was shot on film, though.

Still holding on hope for a commentary!

[jmood88]

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No bonus scenes on home video release.

= no buy from me

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[jmood88]

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Your donation will be missed.

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[Kashanova]

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I saw The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 today. It's an awesome Batman Movie. I highly recommended for anyone who read the book or is just a Batman fan. I will admit though, getting used to Batman's new voice takes a couple minutes

[Jano]

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http://screencrush.com/bane-dark-knight-rises-concept-art/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_37226

what bane could have looked like in TDKR:



Commenters on IGN having seen these early designs went wild lol

LOL @ BRING OUT THE GIMP, when gotham is in ashes... you have my permission to spank me, Why didn't you just spank me..... because your punishment must be more severe.