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[fistofrage]

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So you guys don't think we will EVER see Jack's grandpa again? I would be willing to bet he shows up as a young guy working for Dharma.

We could, but even if we do, the whole scene in the nursing home would be out of place.

Like I said, I am certain that when its all said and done, everything is going to be reset to a point in the past before any of this stuff happened, possibly even before Dharma existed.

[CMH]

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Yea, I know you knew that. I was just pointing out that it had one purpose and it didn't serve that purpose effectively.

And even if his grand father showed up as a young DHARMA worker, how would we know? They would have to call him Shepard, I guess. But, they didn't even give the man a name, I don't think. It would be a stretch for anyone to even know who the guy was if you saw him again. I surely don't remember the guy's face.

edit: His name is Ray Sheppard. Ok, so I guess it's feasible. With Christian's involvement, I wouldn't put it past the writers.

[soltrain]

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Yea, I know you knew that. I was just pointing out that it had one purpose and it didn't serve that purpose effectively.

And even if his grand father showed up as a young DHARMA worker, how would we know? They would have to call him Shepard, I guess. But, they didn't even give the man a name, I don't think. It would be a stretch for anyone to even know who the guy was if you saw him again. I surely don't remember the guy's face.

edit: His name is Ray Sheppard. Ok, so I guess it's feasible. With Christian's involvement, I wouldn't put it past the writers.

He kept calling him Ray before he called him grandpa. It took them a minute or two to say a name, and I was just waiting for him to call him Jacob Sheppard.

[HealyMonster]

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He kept calling him Ray before he called him grandpa. It took them a minute or two to say a name, and I was just waiting for him to call him Jacob Sheppard.

I read on another site that in the bible, jacob is the great grandfather of aaron? Im not into the bible so Im not sure exact details, i got it from a lost site, but if the show has biblical undertones, Ray shepherd is the great grandfather to aaron on the show.

I must say that as an avid viewer and someone who has watched every episode multiple times, there is no way that Ray Shepherd was a 5 second character. There was a purpose for him being in that episode, and he will have further importance, there is a reason for everything in the show so Its only a matter of time before its revealed.

[fistofrage]

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There was a purpose for him being in that episode, and he will have further importance, there is a reason for everything in the show so Its only a matter of time before its revealed.

I can't say I agree with this statement.

[HealyMonster]

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I can't say I agree with this statement.

why though? you think they just needed filler or randomly decided to include jacks grandfather in a 2 minute clip? I mean they could have used it to incite theories or to just use a little misdirection but for the most part everything on the show is for a reason.

[fistofrage]

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why though? you think they just needed filler or randomly decided to include jacks grandfather in a 2 minute clip? I mean they could have used it to incite theories or to just use a little misdirection but for the most part everything on the show is for a reason.

Look at how much focus was on the numbers only to have the writers say, it was just to emphasize coincidence. Numbers don't mean anything.

Echo's stick with all the writing.

Those 2 loser characters that they buried alive.

Walt making random appearances on the island after he left.

A whole episode on Jack's Tattoos that mean absolutely nothing.

Anna Lou Chia and all those flashbacks...actually all of season 2.

The statue and the focus on its 4 toes....Only to be relvealed later by the writers that it was just to show that people had been on the island a long time.

There is a laundry list a mile long of wild goose chases that the writers have led the viewers down. Even if Jack's grandpa appears as part as Dharma as a younger person, the whole nursing home episode was out of place. I'm sure they want us to try to focus on the significance of him running away and having his bags packed, the magician in the coomon area, why Jack called him Ray(most likely so they can refer to a younger Ray on the island), etc. but in the end, I am sure its insignificant.

[rockchisler]

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[QUOTE=fistofrage;2039253797]Look at how much focus was on the numbers only to have the writers say, it was just to emphasize coincidence. Numbers don't mean anything.


The statue and the focus on its 4 toes....Only to be relvealed later by the writers that it was just to show that people had been on the island a long time.

Well THey showed the full Statue this episode.....kinda

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Spoiler

Add another notch to Sawyer's belt lol.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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2 Weeks? Ah man they kill me with these little pauses in the season.

[rockchisler]

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I know 2 weeks, dang

[RockinDaMike]

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Did any directv folks have abc down for half an hour when the show was on? The worst timing ever!

[Gizmo]

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Did any directv folks have abc down for half an hour when the show was on? The worst timing ever!

No. I DVR'd it and saw it without any problems. Maybe your area was down???

[CMH]

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I wanted to call Sawyer and Juliet being together weeks ago. There was way too much interaction between the two, especially when Juliet starting asking Sawyer personal questions during the jumps.

I actually liked this episode a lot more than last week's. Sawyer pointing out Alpert's eyeliner was good stuff.

But, I am extremely confused with the time periods. They are in the 70's now. If the Losties jumped through time with the Island, does that mean that if they live it would be 1974 in the outside world? I'm just confused by this.

[fistofrage]

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But, I am extremely confused with the time periods. They are in the 70's now. If the Losties jumped through time with the Island, does that mean that if they live it would be 1974 in the outside world? I'm just confused by this.

There is a bit of a question there. I think the answer is YES, although it probably shouldn't be.

Its starting to play out like I thought it would a few weeks ago. I think for all intents and purposes, it is 1974 everywhere.

Faraday mentioned its like a record but now they are stuck on a different track. Faraday has been here before, and now he's going to try to alter history by not talking to Charlotte and other things he's done. Because he was the one that altered the history in the first place. Because he altered history once, let it run its course to present day and saw the results. Faraday's mission of resetting history is now complete, but he must start to manipulate history to fit his agenda. Whatever that may be. But Faraday is probably the only one at this point of knowledge of how it will play out if everything remains status quo to the first time he infiltrated Dharma. Basically, he knows what will cause disaster but he doesn't necessarily know what will achieve a positive outcome(such as keeping Charlotte alive). Not exactly sure if Faraday knew they would stop back in 1974, but thats about as good of place as any.

Now we are going to see the battle of Ben vs. Widmore back in the 1970's. Widmore wanted to get back to the island too, but not today, back before Ben destroyed the Dharma befriended Alpert and rose to power and in the process knocked Widmore off the island(presumably).

Not exactly sure if we'll see a young Ben that can yet be molded or if there is now no young Ben because he's on the island. I'm pretty sure we'll see a young Widmore because the old Widmore isn't on the island. Also don't know if Ben wasn't with Jack, Kate and Hurley when the plane flashed because he wasn't supposed to technically be on that flight so he crashed and didn't flash. But I think thats a key component.

Its pretty clear that Widmore and his outside world clan have worked on the chain of events that specifically led Locke to the island. Not sure why Locke is so key to all of this. But once Widmore was "tricked" off the island(presumably by Ben), he kept tabs on John Locke his entire life because he was the only Lostie that Widmore saw in the past on the island, so he knew if he could get Locke back on that island, he could try to reset history himself.

Its late and I'm rambling, but all that time Ben was saying "Who Cares" when people died, its probably because he knew he would get reset to a point where those deaths don't actually occur. They are on a different track now according to Faraday. The one that actually is going to impact the world as they know it. I think you could start to theorise that there are different tracks playing all the time and on another "track" it is present day and all the stuff up to this point that we know did happen, but its somewhere in an alternate universe so to speak. One that is just out there. But the only one that "counts" is the one that they are in now and its 1974.