SAW VI Discussion - Jigsaw

[savoie2006]

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You messed up your Spoiler tag first of all. Secondly, even if Saw VI does poorly in theaters, Saw VII and even future Saw's would just be straight to DVD. I don't think anything would stop them from continuing the series. Just wait until the TV primtime version and cartoon version hit!!

[Blzer]

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I finally got a chance to see SAW VI today through other means. I hope to get to a theater within the next week or two to see this.......it's something I want to see in the theater.

Alright, let's crack this bitch...

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WOW! is all I kept on thinking after watching this film. I didn't get that feeling that I had when the first trilogy was wrapped up, but I think they had a good opportunity to wrap this up with this one. They decided to leave things open for a seventh one. It was rather neat and genius of Hoffman to break out of that trap at the end...........but, why? Do I really want to see Hoffman chasing after Jill in SAW VII or maybe Jill putting Hoffman through a game especially when Perez mentions to Hoffman that everyone knows that he is the killer.

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There is a good chance that Perez wasn't telling the truth, but we can never know for sure until Saw VII. I mean wouldn't more people be at that lab as backup in case of said exigent circumstances such as Hoffman attacking them after hearing the tape? You'd think it wouldn't just be up to two federal agents to bring down someone as big as Jigsaw's accomplice.

At the same time though, she does put her blood all over his shirt, and Hoffman pretty much requires immediate medical attention. I wrote a Saw VII script last week that actually ignores any of this and he gets help to the hospital (yeah, I had a bit of free time and wrote a full script), and it actually works out well where it's not just a chase thing the entire way through... but it's not too trap-heavy either because John's games are over.

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I did enjoy this film a lot, I just dislike that they left too many things open considering that they could have wrapped things up here. The twist with the 6th envelope having a picture of Hoffman in it was really cool. That I did not expect one bit. The sequences with Amanda really helped add to the story and even better with Hoffman framing her for the death of Jill's/Jig's baby. It was just a nutty scene to see that happen.

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I definitely agree with what you said here, and honestly I think at one point they had written this out as the final chapter of a trilogy. But then Mark Burg (producer) steps in and discovers that this series has 3D potential and wants to do something about that, so he says, "Crap man, let's squeeze more money out of this franchise." Because of that, this movie probably takes out information that they want to leave for a final final twist, shortening this movie and such... and Hoffman survives while William dies. I would like to see an alternate ending, that's non-canon of course, where that exact thing happens. I think that would have been a nice way to wrap up the series, although I never expected him to escape, which was pretty cool.

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The traps were much better this time around, but to me the last 3 films just were not about the traps and more of it had to do with the story being told. The trap at the beginning of the film was insane and gruesome to the next level. Watching that one chick first start chopping away at her fingers and then taking off the whole arm was intense. It was like a holy **** moment.

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Yeah, that was pretty gruesome. You know she was the Scream Queens winner? Tanedra Howard was her name, I think. Unfortunately people in my theater found reasons to laugh at some of the traps... like the first one when she goes wide-eyed and just chops away at her arm, when Addy (William's secretary) is left hanging on the board and just leans forward looking at him kind of funny, when Debbie dies and William is quite saddened, but then he's quiet and opens the door almost forgetting about her, and when the last guy that dies in the carousel trap is just spewing out whatever he's saying with the camera shot... it just left a sense of hilarity when there shouldn't have been. I wish they patched that up a little bit.

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I did find them relying way too much on flashbacks which was a tad bit overkill. Really the only way for them to fit new things into the story.

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While I understand what you're saying, I always expected this, to be honest. And because I expected this and yet they still plan on making two new movies, I don't think they're going to rely on flashbacks too much for one very reason... I truly believe that John's story is over and his arc is complete. Now that doesn't mean that Tobin Bell won't be in the movies or anything, but for the writer's sake, I think his grand scheme was finally revealed in Saw VI and there's not anything else he had planned with his work. It's very unfortunate if that's the case. I definitely didn't do it that way in my script, but I just think that's the way that they're going. So in a sense, people could actually stop at Saw VI I believe... and I think a lot of people will.

In the end I really hope that this film overall does bad at the box office since I really don't want to see a SAW VII just for the sake of making another one yet in 3D. Why not create a new franchise called SAW Chronicles or something.

Completely agree. Unfortunately though, they opened the door with hopes people will fall into the 3D hype. IMO I don't think it will garner too much attention unless the movie proves to be just as good as Saw VI was where at the same time being an integral part of the overall story.

It just kind of saddens me that this is the same series that started off as the two Aussies that were just trying to tell a story with a twist of a dead body rising up from the middle of a bathroom floor. Remember those days?

Glad you liked it, though.

[CaptainZombie]

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There is a good chance that Perez wasn't telling the truth, but we can never know for sure until Saw VII. I mean wouldn't more people be at that lab as backup in case of said exigent circumstances such as Hoffman attacking them after hearing the tape? You'd think it wouldn't just be up to two federal agents to bring down someone as big as Jigsaw's accomplice.

At the same time though, she does put her blood all over his shirt, and Hoffman pretty much requires immediate medical attention. I wrote a Saw VII script last week that actually ignores any of this and he gets help to the hospital (yeah, I had a bit of free time and wrote a full script), and it actually works out well where it's not just a chase thing the entire way through... but it's not too trap-heavy either because John's games are over.

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I didn't think about Perez possibly not telling the truth which is a good possibility. It seemed so much like both Perez and Erickson had Hoffman in their sites in this film as being the Jigsaw killer. I felt this way even in SAW V with Erickson at one point when he was in his office............but he did not have the evidence at the time to nail him. I do agree with you that it would take more than just 2 Feds working on a case this big than what we saw in the film.

I think one spot in the film that did tip off Perez was when Hoffman was in the hospital...........he is talking to the girl that chopped off her arm. He begins to question her about if she learned a lesson for what she was doing in her past and then the lady goes bonkers on him. I think that could have been the moment that sparked something in Perez.

One thing we have to wonder, Jill closes the door at the end of the film. I don't think she was careless to leave the door open just with the mere thought that Hoffman could escape. Yet again though, to rebuttel what a said, Jill was carrying out Jigsaw's final wish or plan so locking the door wouldn't have been something she would have done.............unless it was Hoffman...........as what he did to Amanda where there were a few traps in SAW IV if I can recall correctly were inescapable.

I saw your script over at House of Jigsaw, I read parts of it. If you can possible post the URL here to d/l I think that would garner some interest.

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I definitely agree with what you said here, and honestly I think at one point they had written this out as the final chapter of a trilogy. But then Mark Burg (producer) steps in and discovers that this series has 3D potential and wants to do something about that, so he says, "Crap man, let's squeeze more money out of this franchise." Because of that, this movie probably takes out information that they want to leave for a final final twist, shortening this movie and such... and Hoffman survives while William dies. I would like to see an alternate ending, that's non-canon of course, where that exact thing happens. I think that would have been a nice way to wrap up the series, although I never expected him to escape, which was pretty cool.

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It is a shame because this series could have ended at SAW III and yet again now with SAW VI. I have really enjoyed this series a lot as you haven't seen me say too many bad things over the years during our discussions about each film even though IV did get a lot of crap. I think that we will see a SAW VII next year, but I doubt it will get to a SAW VIII unless it goes straight to DVD. Considering that this film has only done $24 million in a bit over 2 weeks compared to the rest of the series which doubled, tripled, and quadrupled this one it means time to just end the story here and start something fresh.

I couldn't tell but did Hoffman rip a part of his jaw off? I will know better once I see this in the theater. WOW! did he look like in a huge mess after getting out of that bear trap. It goes to show how smart he was to get out of that reverse trap and utter genius that he would stick his head between the bars in the window. He looked in very bad shape though which I agree with you that he would have needed medical attention.

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Yeah, that was pretty gruesome. You know she was the Scream Queens winner? Tanedra Howard was her name, I think. Unfortunately people in my theater found reasons to laugh at some of the traps... like the first one when she goes wide-eyed and just chops away at her arm, when Addy (William's secretary) is left hanging on the board and just leans forward looking at him kind of funny, when Debbie dies and William is quite saddened, but then he's quiet and opens the door almost forgetting about her, and when the last guy that dies in the carousel trap is just spewing out whatever he's saying with the camera shot... it just left a sense of hilarity when there shouldn't have been. I wish they patched that up a little bit.

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I didn't know she was the Scream Queen winner for 09, rather interesting. That was just gruesome at the beginning and probably the best beginning for the film. It went to show that what people would do to save their own lives when in a bad situation. Considering that the other guy was cutting off fat from his stomach for the scale.............I literally fell out of my seat in laughter seeing how excited this guy was getting that he was tipping the scale in his favor. The best was the look on his face when she dumped her arm in the scale...........now that was priceless.

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While I understand what you're saying, I always expected this, to be honest. And because I expected this and yet they still plan on making two new movies, I don't think they're going to rely on flashbacks too much for one very reason... I truly believe that John's story is over and his arc is complete. Now that doesn't mean that Tobin Bell won't be in the movies or anything, but for the writer's sake, I think his grand scheme was finally revealed in Saw VI and there's not anything else he had planned with his work. It's very unfortunate if that's the case. I definitely didn't do it that way in my script, but I just think that's the way that they're going. So in a sense, people could actually stop at Saw VI I believe... and I think a lot of people will.

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I really hope that John's story is over with here, but I have this bad feeling that this will now turn into a cat and mouse game between Jill and Hoffman. What they need to do with SAW VII and VIII is to really go back and tie in the original SAW since it does feel like it is sitting off on the side all by itself. Personally, I would love to see Dr. Gordon having been in some way involved. I know it sounds crazy, that could work. It could work having Jill, Dr. Gordon, and Hoffman being in this web. Ultimately to have Dr. Gordon take both of Jill and Hoffman out walking away as a part of the main twist. It sounds ludicrous as I type this, but it could work.

Completely agree. Unfortunately though, they opened the door with hopes people will fall into the 3D hype. IMO I don't think it will garner too much attention unless the movie proves to be just as good as Saw VI was where at the same time being an integral part of the overall story.

It just kind of saddens me that this is the same series that started off as the two Aussies that were just trying to tell a story with a twist of a dead body rising up from the middle of a bathroom floor. Remember those days?

Glad you liked it, though.

I hate this darn 3D craze of late and they think that this will work as it did to a degree for both Final Destination and My Bloody Valentine. A small part of me would not mind a SAW VII, but I think back that this story was and should have been wrapped up in SAW VI. We said the same thing with SAW III.

The original SAW was just so awesome and the mere thought about that dead body (Jigsaw) getting up from the ground and walking away was such a great twist.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Saw VI has made about 26 million in America so far. The final tally will easily be the lowest in the franchsie.

But even with a low total, these films still turn out a big profit. The cast is full of D Listers and it's cheap to make. If Saw VII is a total flop, they could just continue the series with straight to DVD sequels. I'm willing to bet a large chunk of change, we will get a Saw 10.

[CaptainZombie]

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Saw VI has made about 26 million in America so far. The final tally will easily be the lowest in the franchsie.

But even with a low total, these films still turn out a big profit. The cast is full of D Listers and it's cheap to make. If Saw VII is a total flop, they could just continue the series with straight to DVD sequels. I'm willing to bet a large chunk of change, we will get a Saw 10.

Yeah, one of the most successful franchise of all-time when considering budget vs. Gross Total Revenue

[SidVish]

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Yeah, one of the most successful franchise of all-time when considering budget vs. Gross Total Revenue

And people say why do they keep making these movies? I think it's pretty obvious.

[Blzer]

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I saw your script over at House of Jigsaw, I read parts of it. If you can possible post the URL here to d/l I think that would garner some interest.

So far it's only version 1.0, but here goes:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z5OWR36C

It's 162 pages in PDF format, including some directorial cues and such to better explain how I see the shot. Personally I hate how I did it (used this program called Celtx and I guess I didn't realize how scripts were written so those parts are in all caps), but if you are patient with it I think you'd enjoy it for what it is.

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I couldn't tell but did Hoffman rip a part of his jaw off? I will know better once I see this in the theater. WOW! did he look like in a huge mess after getting out of that bear trap. It goes to show how smart he was to get out of that reverse trap and utter genius that he would stick his head between the bars in the window. He looked in very bad shape though which I agree with you that he would have needed medical attention.

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If you end up reading more of the script, you'll at least see how I went about his jaw and whatnot. Now I've only seen the movie in theaters once, but what the final shot looked like was most of his right jaw got messed up. I don't think anything really happened to his left jaw.

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I really hope that John's story is over with here, but I have this bad feeling that this will now turn into a cat and mouse game between Jill and Hoffman. What they need to do with SAW VII and VIII is to really go back and tie in the original SAW since it does feel like it is sitting off on the side all by itself. Personally, I would love to see Dr. Gordon having been in some way involved. I know it sounds crazy, that could work. It could work having Jill, Dr. Gordon, and Hoffman being in this web. Ultimately to have Dr. Gordon take both of Jill and Hoffman out walking away as a part of the main twist. It sounds ludicrous as I type this, but it could work.

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Again, if you end up reading my script at all, I want to get your opinion on how I handled plot, characters, flashbacks, etc. I can't just tell you because that won't do it much justice, you know? Questions are answered and I make this script like it's the final movie in the franchise, so loose ends are tied for sure.

[CaptainZombie]

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If you end up reading more of the script, you'll at least see how I went about his jaw and whatnot. Now I've only seen the movie in theaters once, but what the final shot looked like was most of his right jaw got messed up. I don't think anything really happened to his left jaw.

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That should be interesting if half or his whole jaw did come off with that trap. With them not killing Hoffman at the end, they really left the door wide open for VII and VIII. I still feel today that the third movie would have been an excellent conclusion to cap off this series. I will hand it to the writing teams as they have done a good job piecing things together for the sequels. They have also done a good job to cover up most of the plot holes which I feared would amount to a lot of them, but they haven't been.

After watching this twice now over the weekend (since my wife had not seen it yet), something just didn't make sense. This was during the one news report on the television screen when the new anchor was talking about the death of John/Jigsaw. I could be wrong, but it sounded like a majority of Hoffman's events from SAW III to SAW VI took place pretty much within a week's time. Am I wrong in thinking that or is that what did occur?

I am hoping that we do get some closure. I do agree that John's story has to be over with. Just bring on Dr. Gordon, now that would be sweet and just tie this whole bitch together from SAW to SAW #435454356234 as the original SAW still feels to me like its the odd man out.

Thanks Blzer. I downloaded your script yesterday and will start to read it sometime this week. I have only looked at the first few pages. How long did it take you to write up this script? Did you start it after watching SAW VI? I had started a script a few years back after Halloween Ressurrection released, but never completed it. I saw at House of Jigsaw over the weekend that some people really liked your script, so that is good.

[AUChase]

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I quit supporting these movies after the third one.

[Blzer]

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After watching this twice now over the weekend (since my wife had not seen it yet), something just didn't make sense. This was during the one news report on the television screen when the new anchor was talking about the death of John/Jigsaw. I could be wrong, but it sounded like a majority of Hoffman's events from SAW III to SAW VI took place pretty much within a week's time. Am I wrong in thinking that or is that what did occur?

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Well, I'd say that you wouldn't be too off the mark in saying that. Remember that, in real time, John's autopsy in actuality takes place during the events of Saw VI. Now I don't know how much later an autopsy should take place, so if that makes sense then yeah, it is only a week or two at most.

Thanks Blzer. I downloaded your script yesterday and will start to read it sometime this week. I have only looked at the first few pages. How long did it take you to write up this script? Did you start it after watching SAW VI? I had started a script a few years back after Halloween Ressurrection released, but never completed it. I saw at House of Jigsaw over the weekend that some people really liked your script, so that is good.

Nope, I saw the movie at midnight on opening night Thursday and didn't start the script until the following Wednesday I believe.

Here's what happened... I go on that message board and I love to post theories. These aren't things that I believe the film writers will do or anything, but I have seen something in that if something is regarded enough on the message boards the writers or someone may take note and it can appear on screen perhaps. That's what happened with Jeff in Saw III: someone made a fan-fiction and made his last name Reindhart. Suddenly, that was his official last name.

Anyway, so I have these theories, right? So a lot of people are all clamoring about how these things wouldn't even make sense on screen, and I somewhat wanted to disprove them. Not only that, but some other people were making "scripts" before me and the other members were actually liking them, you know? But these scripts were like six minute movies with the worst and weakest of story lines. I wouldn't say that mine is the most intricate of story lines, but I'd say it's a creative way on making a Saw film given what I have been given. I hope you like it, or at least most of it.

Here's the other thing that I said to people about this: it's a rough draft, so while there may be spelling mistakes, there also may be things that you think are just way off. I particularly have a few things to note about the ending that requires a huge suspension of disbelief, but for the sake of getting the script out there early, I wanted people to get to read the rest now, and perhaps help me with the ending on how I can re-approach how it works. I think you'll understand what I mean if you decide to finish the entire script, but basically I'm trying to find a way for it to happen without suspending disbelief if that makes sense.

Anyway, cheerio!

[CaptainZombie]

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Well, I'd say that you wouldn't be too off the mark in saying that. Remember that, in real time, John's autopsy in actuality takes place during the events of Saw VI. Now I don't know how much later an autopsy should take place, so if that makes sense then yeah, it is only a week or two at most.

Ok, that is what I was thinking that it could have been a week or maybe two at the most especially with most of these stories running in parallel of each other.

I read your script today at work because our entire network was down for the last 4 hours so couldn't do much without the net. I did gloss over some parts so I could get through it in one sitting.

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I really liked how you tried to tie up all loose ends as it was a good way to really end this whole saga. One thing that I felt hurt the script just a tad is that there were way too many characters and then the flashbacks. It was nice also seeing Eric and Rigg in a flashback, but was it really necessary? You know how much I have been about driven nuts with the amount of flashbacks from the actual films. I understand with the direction you were going since this series has relied on the flashbacks.

I do like that you incorporated Adam and Dr. Gordon. I could have sworn though that Adam was dead. I think that we did see him die at the hands of Amanda, and granted your flashback showed that he was unconscious. I would have preferred he was left dead.

I did like how you made that Dark Knight/Two-Face reference with Hoffman. That was very funny.

I felt a little underwhelmed by the Jill/Hoffman confrontation. Hoffman pretty much takes her out and you would think when she found out that he was still alive............she would have been packing her way out of dodge. LOL! I would have liked to have seen her take several attempts at killing him while in the hospital.

I did like what you did at the end. It helped put the blame on Hoffman where it needed to be and created closure for the series. It was also great that the traps were very minimal which to me since SAW IV and on, it just didn't feel like it was about the traps anymore but more with developing story and character.

I know I have been a bit critical, but I think you have some good things going on in this script. If you plan on working with this further, please use some of my recommendations to further refine what you have. I'm not too sure on the rest of the comments that you received from people at House of Jig........but you might be on to something. I would just cut out some of the fluff imo as it becomes an over bloated mess.

Where the actual script goes from here should be interesting.

[Blzer]

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Ok, that is what I was thinking that it could have been a week or maybe two at the most especially with most of these stories running in parallel of each other.

I read your script today at work because our entire network was down for the last 4 hours so couldn't do much without the net. I did gloss over some parts so I could get through it in one sitting.

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I really liked how you tried to tie up all loose ends as it was a good way to really end this whole saga. One thing that I felt hurt the script just a tad is that there were way too many characters and then the flashbacks. It was nice also seeing Eric and Rigg in a flashback, but was it really necessary? You know how much I have been about driven nuts with the amount of flashbacks from the actual films. I understand with the direction you were going since this series has relied on the flashbacks.

I do like that you incorporated Adam and Dr. Gordon. I could have sworn though that Adam was dead. I think that we did see him die at the hands of Amanda, and granted your flashback showed that he was unconscious. I would have preferred he was left dead.

I did like how you made that Dark Knight/Two-Face reference with Hoffman. That was very funny.

I felt a little underwhelmed by the Jill/Hoffman confrontation. Hoffman pretty much takes her out and you would think when she found out that he was still alive............she would have been packing her way out of dodge. LOL! I would have liked to have seen her take several attempts at killing him while in the hospital.

I did like what you did at the end. It helped put the blame on Hoffman where it needed to be and created closure for the series. It was also great that the traps were very minimal which to me since SAW IV and on, it just didn't feel like it was about the traps anymore but more with developing story and character.

I know I have been a bit critical, but I think you have some good things going on in this script. If you plan on working with this further, please use some of my recommendations to further refine what you have. I'm not too sure on the rest of the comments that you received from people at House of Jig........but you might be on to something. I would just cut out some of the fluff imo as it becomes an over bloated mess.

Where the actual script goes from here should be interesting.

Hey, thanks for reading man!

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As for Adam, I really just came up with the theory in my head once. I think it will make more sense if you ever read this thread:

http://board.houseofjigsaw.com/showthread.php?t=16536

It's because of the way that I believe John hints at him being alive. And then I give reason for him being alive thereafter... John needs a photographer and no one would have cared one way or another if he was alive or dead, if that makes sense. The entire thread explains it if you have another twenty minutes haha (it's not all explained in the first post).

As for Eric and Rigg, I used it as a leeway into how Eric actually does plant evidence in order to get the bigger picture. I feel I rushed through most of my script where I couldn't do side-explanations but where they mattered most, here was one of them: the point of Eric planting evidence was because he needed to get some dirt on the gangs to take them out. He found something that was seemingly gang-related by tying Cecil in with K2K, and his informant Michael (from Saw II in the death mask) gave Eric a name, who matched appropriate items with Cecil's murder (knife, barbwire, etc.). That's why Eric stops questioning Jonas when he gets admittance that he was a Baristas gang member, because that's all he needed. In framing one person, he got everyone because of one gang-related murder involving drugs (Jonas gets off with the murder and his sentence is reduced for complying... that's how he is released in time to be captured again for Saw II).

Anyway, it shows when Eric "broke someone's jaw with a flashlight," it shows how John noticed a few of them as well as Mark, and it just connects the world a bit more. If you read the HoJ boards often they always seem to want a flashback of "Blah blah setting up so-and-so trap." I think that this is kind of a different spin on a flashback, where it just shows how people were actually connected and how past told events really came to be. The heavier Saw fans would very much appreciate it. I mostly did it for the nostalgic factor, though. We have drawn so far from the original characters that we needed to get back to them again somehow (same with Lawrence and Adam).

I actually did want Jill to do more to Hoffman, that's why I talked about her looking at the different things she could do to him. I just didn't know how to go about it. Instead I made it a red herring, but it was really for the reason that Jill was out. She was out of the game, didn't want to submit to murder, and felt that the last thing she carried out for John was for a reason, even if Hoffman survived. As you can see, John still got back at Hoffman, though Jill died as well. I really did want to work on the scene between Jill and Hoffman, but I more so wanted them to think they could overpower each other with their words and snap-backs. Plus I wanted to keep Jill on the couch, as a "director" of sorts. Her limited movements helped the bolutinum toxin react to her system more slowly. I feel I could've done it better, though. Maybe I'll work on that one some day.

Oh, and I hope you loved how I incorporated House too haha. Just some nice little tie-ins. I know that fans would love it for sure... at least ones that know of the House character.

BTW how did you like Hoffman's gas station game? I kind of liked how I put a spin on a "game" that didn't involve any actual devices or what not.

Anyway, thanks so much for reading! Everything that everyone says is definitely being taken into consideration if I ever want to do some major overhauls to this script. Of course, this is only a fan script... so I don't really know how much I should devote to it. I want to include more Jill though, definitely. Maybe a flashback with John, Amanda, and Hoffman in the beginning of the movie too so it gives "time for the cops to arrive" for the first scene after the title. But as you said, I don't want to rely on flashbacks too much.

I first started this script with another thread in that forum, where I said that my Saw VII might as well be called "Saw: Legacy". Because essentially, the whole purpose of Fisk and Lamanna is to just connect dots in the story and further understand how everything worked. As you noticed, they technically never advanced the story, if that makes sense.

[TheShizNo1]

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Just saw it yesterday, love the discussion between blazr and gears going on here

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I find that I'm in the minority as a saw fan. What makes me say this? Saw IV was my favorite while everyone else says it was the worse one.

I also am on board for more Saws. I'm a huge fan of plots and twist and to me it hasn't gone too far yet, no to say that it couldn't. I don't think it could've stopped at III but at IV b/c IV is when it was all tied together. I also agree it could've stopped at this one.

I don't like the idea of bringing back Adam b/c I think he'd show no real importance. I'd like to see Gordan back, b/c I never expect to see him, so it'd be a nice surprise.

I'm watching VI again as I type this and just noticed something. Not sure if this is even relevant, just throwing it out there. The tape jigsaw records for William when William is first set up in the trap, Jigsaw doesn't use Oxygen. He's been dependent on Oxygen since II, maybe III right?

I did find this to remind me of III and IV which were my 2 favorite ones. Agreed I don't see how they can use jigsaw anymore, I don't want to see Jill behind it, I love Hoffman's character. As someone mentioned, I'd love to see it be Gordan and end from there.

[CaptainZombie]

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Just saw it yesterday, love the discussion between blazr and gears going on here

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I find that I'm in the minority as a saw fan. What makes me say this? Saw IV was my favorite while everyone else says it was the worse one.

I also am on board for more Saws. I'm a huge fan of plots and twist and to me it hasn't gone too far yet, no to say that it couldn't. I don't think it could've stopped at III but at IV b/c IV is when it was all tied together. I also agree it could've stopped at this one.

I don't like the idea of bringing back Adam b/c I think he'd show no real importance. I'd like to see Gordan back, b/c I never expect to see him, so it'd be a nice surprise.

I'm watching VI again as I type this and just noticed something. Not sure if this is even relevant, just throwing it out there. The tape jigsaw records for William when William is first set up in the trap, Jigsaw doesn't use Oxygen. He's been dependent on Oxygen since II, maybe III right?

I did find this to remind me of III and IV which were my 2 favorite ones. Agreed I don't see how they can use jigsaw anymore, I don't want to see Jill behind it, I love Hoffman's character. As someone mentioned, I'd love to see it be Gordan and end from there.

I am also a fan of SAW IV and I just did not fully understand why so many hated the film. I think some of it had to also do with that a lot of people felt that SAW III should have been the end. I always thought that SAW III would have been a nice ending.

I think that this series has really run its course and I just hope that SAW 3D does not release next year. If it would be the final movie in the franchise to wrap things up, then I am ok with it. The problem is that rumor has it a SAW VIII is also being produced as we speak.................................

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I think that John's story is done and they have nowhere to really go from here since Hoffman is pretty much without a jaw or half of one. LOL! Unless it turns into Hoffman going after Jill now which could be so-so.

I wasn't a huge fan of brining back Adam as Blzer wrote in his script, but having Dr. Gordon back in the finale would top the series off and actually connect the first one with the rest of this series in a major way.

If you recall SAW I, Jigsaw was actually using oxygen in the first film. He wasn't as dependent on it at that point, but he did have it. I can't remember of any scenes in the second film with him on oxygen, but of course the third one he was.

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Re: SAW VI Discussion - Jigsaw

There actually has been recent news that Saw VII, while still 3D, will potentially be the final movie and will definitely be longer than Saw IV - VI were. Perhaps they read my little rant back on HOJ about how unsuccessful Saw VIII would be.