*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

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Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Alot of stuff to wrap your mind around in this episode. Right now I'm learning towards two realities happening concurrently.

When Juliet sets off the bomb it flashes them off the island and back to real time on Reality 1 where the plane still crashed, etc. as evidenced by the Swan station being all blown to bits from Desmond.

When Juliet sets off the bomb it also appears that the island has now sunk underwater which we see at the beginning of the episode when they get over the point of the ocean where the island is located. To me because the island is underwater the plane doesn't crash because whatever magnetic energy that may be left (does the energy ever really go away?) is contained by being under all that water.

I don't know what happens now but my instinct is telling me somehow these two realities combine in to one reality by the end of the show.

[CMH]

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Great episodes, another huge mind trip. The plane scenes were interesting. Jack and Desmond's conversation seemed flipped from their first hatch conversation. Jack was the one wondering if he knew Desmond, and I thought Desmond was the one in the hatch who wondered the same about Jack.

More things to consider:

Jack was nervous on the new reality flight. Rose comforted him. In the original pilot, it was the other way around. Rose was nervous and Jack was comforting her. Lindelof and Cuse confirmed it is not coincidence, but intentional.

The same for the two alcohol bottles turning into one. The same for Jack spilling the drink. All intentional and we'll learn later why.

Could they not get Shannon on the show, is that the reason she wasn't on the plane? I am not sure if there is more, but Desmond being on the flight seems to be the other "oddity". Not sure if Locke's story to Boone was true, or he was lying to either make himself feel better or to avoid embarrassment after originally being denied the opportunity to go on the expedition.

Shannon not being on the flight is what the producers called coincidence as in not important. She just wasn't on the flight because lives had changed and when Boone came to help her, he discovered that she wanted to be in Australia. In the original timeline, Shannon needed out and Boone saved her.

The same for Michael and Walt. Their not being on the flight is what the producers called fate. Obviously, they had no choice because of Walt's real age, but that's the reason given. Michael and Walt weren't meant to be on that new flight.

The producers also said that Charlie being caught coinciding with Desmond disappearing is coincidence. The two events just happened to happen at the same time. There is more to Desmond disappearing, though, but they obviously weren't going to explain it.

Jack's dad is still dead, but Hurley is a happy "lucky" guy. Jin and Sun seemed unchanged, but maybe we don't know enough yet. It's like some stories have changed, and some haven't. I am sure it is done to get us wondering, maybe I am missing something.

People have changed for sure. I think Jack is less of a drinker and even much less of a leader figure. He seemed to ask for a lot of help on the plane with tasks he'd normally direct orders to. His reaction to his father's disappearance was passive. The Jack we know would have screamed, yelled and likely round up all of the workers to find the body. This time it's: "I don't know what to do."

Locke seems much more confident in himself. He seems to still hate that he can't walk, but he is offering the advice and wisdom he was only capable of offering when he was on the Island standing on two feet.

And despite the use of camera to heighten the intense moment of Sun speaking English in return to airport security, is it not possible that this Sun doesn't speak English?

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For those that didnt' catch Jimmy Kimmel last night, there was some very interesting information provided by the Lost producers - who were guests.
Jimmy played a game called "Coincidence or not?" where he'd ask questions from last nights show and the producers would indicate if it was just coincidence, or if it was a major clue or something of significance.

I'm putting this in the spoiler portion because some might not want to know this information:

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- Numbers will play a huge role in the last season and we'll get more over the next handful of shows.
- Jack only having one vodka, (and not 2 like in the original plane ride) is huge.
- Jack being the nervous flyer while Rose was not.
- Locke is NOT the M.I.B. This confused me as when Jacob and the MIB were talking on the beach, MIB said "I'll find a loophole". Then in the temple, Jacob says to Locke "looks like you found your loophole". Perhaps I misheard the producers, but I could have sworn they said that Locke is not the MIB. Very interesting.
- The title of last nights episode was entitled "LA X", not "LAX" like the airport. They said this is a big clue.
- Shannon not being on the plane is of major significance.
- Producers were very vague about who was inhabiting Said. They really made it sound like it's not Jacob and we'll have to tune in to find out who it could be.

Now on to some of my theories and thoughts on last nights show.

- Every dead person who's appeared on the island is the smoke monster.
- Every person brought to the temple is no longer their true self. This includes Ben. Who's inhabiting him? Or how was he changed from when he was a small boy?
- Will the new alternate universe survivors eventually go back to the island (even though it's underwater?)
- if the island was destroyed then technically, wouldn't the numbers have stopped from being broadcast? Which means that Harley never hears the guy mutter them in the mental institute. Which means he never wins the lottery? Or am I forgetting something or getting dates wrong?

- How many FREAKIN times do these producers have to introduce another mysterious group?
First it was the Others, then the tail survivors, then Dharma, then the mercenaries, then the dudes who protect Jacob and now the Temple people? WTF???
I'm glad the shows ending. By season 10 we'd have a tribe of crazy clowns running around the island.

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More things to consider:

Jack was nervous on the new reality flight. Rose comforted him. In the original pilot, it was the other way around. Rose was nervous and Jack was comforting her. Lindelof and Cuse confirmed it is not coincidence, but intentional.

The same for the two alcohol bottles turning into one. The same for Jack spilling the drink. All intentional and we'll learn later why.



Shannon not being on the flight is what the producers called coincidence as in not important. She just wasn't on the flight because lives had changed and when Boone came to help her, he discovered that she wanted to be in Australia. In the original timeline, Shannon needed out and Boone saved her.

The same for Michael and Walt. Their not being on the flight is what the producers called fate. Obviously, they had no choice because of Walt's real age, but that's the reason given. Michael and Walt weren't meant to be on that new flight.

The producers also said that Charlie being caught coinciding with Desmond disappearing is coincidence. The two events just happened to happen at the same time. There is more to Desmond disappearing, though, but they obviously weren't going to explain it.



People have changed for sure. I think Jack is less of a drinker and even much less of a leader figure. He seemed to ask for a lot of help on the plane with tasks he'd normally direct orders to. His reaction to his father's disappearance was passive. The Jack we know would have screamed, yelled and likely round up all of the workers to find the body. This time it's: "I don't know what to do."

Locke seems much more confident in himself. He seems to still hate that he can't walk, but he is offering the advice and wisdom he was only capable of offering when he was on the Island standing on two feet.

And despite the use of camera to heighten the intense moment of Sun speaking English in return to airport security, is it not possible that this Sun doesn't speak English?

On Jimmy Kimmel the producers said that this was not a coincidence and we'll see Shannon again in future episodes.

EDIT:
This is confirmed here at the 2:30 mark:

http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/jimmy-kimmel-live/SH005455790000/20957/250046

[CMH]

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Locke's toughts happened off the island..and he died? Thats why I say its a hole. I don't see how you could see the past of something thats dead....logically.....I can on the other hand read the thoughts and past of someone who is alive.

Logically is the key word. I think we're way past that with this series. It's uber-fantasy and there are things that happen on this series that at most are only theories of science and faith.

The obvious is this Man in Black/Smoke Monster/John Locke is a someone of historical significance or at the very least has a name relating to someone of that significance. The writers have purposely avoided giving him a name. Even when he approaches Richard, all that Richard could say is: "You..."

The Man has a name, but we're not being given it yet and my assumption is because once that name is revealed, a huge subplot of LOST will have been leaked to the public. I'm not saying that the Man is this historical figure, but I am saying that whatever his name, his actions, his reasons, his motivation will be explained by that historical figure's actions (and that's been an ongoing theme throughout LOST with John Locke, Faraday, Hume and on it goes).

So, whatever it is that doesn't make sense logically at this point will likely be explained later. I think it's just one of those things they cannot explain without ruining the big surprise of who this Man is. But, watching this show for five seasons and seeing what questions they've answered, knowing that the audience analyzes every specific detail, I'm 100% positive that Lindelof and Cuse would not have allowed the Monster to see into the thoughts of a dying man unless they knew why he could.

[CMH]

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On Jimmy Kimmel the producers said that this was not a coincidence and we'll see Shannon again in future episodes.

Did they? Ok, I apologize then. I thought they said "coincidence." They seemed to stumble over themselves a bit on that one. Guess I just missed it.

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Here's part two of the Jimmy Kimmel interview:

http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/jimmy-kimmel-live/SH005455790000/20957/250049

And about Locke's association with the M.I.B.:

Spoiler

At the 1:52 mark the producers DO verify that Locke is not possessed by the MIB.
Very, very interesting.

[CMH]

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For those that didnt' catch Jimmy Kimmel last night, there was some very interesting information provided by the Lost producers - who were guests.
Jimmy played a game called "Coincidence or not?" where he'd ask questions from last nights show and the producers would indicate if it was just coincidence, or if it was a major clue or something of significance.

I'm putting this in the spoiler portion because some might not want to know this information:

Spoiler

- Locke is NOT the M.I.B. This confused me as when Jacob and the MIB were talking on the beach, MIB said "I'll find a loophole". Then in the temple, Jacob says to Locke "looks like you found your loophole". Perhaps I misheard the producers, but I could have sworn they said that Locke is not the MIB. Very interesting.
- The title of last nights episode was entitled "LA X", not "LAX" like the airport. They said this is a big clue.
- Shannon not being on the plane is of major significance.
- Producers were very vague about who was inhabiting Said. They really made it sound like it's not Jacob and we'll have to tune in to find out who it could be.

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1. I have to see this again.

2. LA X was leaked for a long while now but I don't think it's as major as they want it to be. If you read comics, X is usually given to all comics entering a new timeline or alternate reality. In this sense, Lost is in their X chapter now.

But, yes, it's important. It obviously means something. It wasn't a "typo" as they jokingly put it. But, it really just means that it's Alternate Reality LA.

3. You corrected me on Shannon, but I did some research and what I discovered is that the actor was unable to film scenes for the opening episode because of a busy schedule. Her backstory was adjusted for this reason. Is that important? I don't know, but if the producers felt it necessary to change her story then there's significance indeed.

4. See, I thought that maybe they were trying to say it wasn't Jacob. When Kimmel states that Jacob is now in Sayid's body, Lindelof jumps back and says: "Wow, interesting theory."

I felt as if Lindelof was trying to hide his cards. But, either way, they do confirm that some thing is inhabiting Sayid's body. So, we'll have to wait and see.

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1. I have to see this again.

2. LA X was leaked for a long while now but I don't think it's as major as they want it to be. If you read comics, X is usually given to all comics entering a new timeline or alternate reality. In this sense, Lost is in their X chapter now.

But, yes, it's important. It obviously means something. It wasn't a "typo" as they jokingly put it. But, it really just means that it's Alternate Reality LA.

3. You corrected me on Shannon, but I did some research and what I discovered is that the actor was unable to film scenes for the opening episode because of a busy schedule. Her backstory was adjusted for this reason. Is that important? I don't know, but if the producers felt it necessary to change her story then there's significance indeed.

4. See, I thought that maybe they were trying to say it wasn't Jacob. When Kimmel states that Jacob is now in Sayid's body, Lindelof jumps back and says: "Wow, interesting theory."

I felt as if Lindelof was trying to hide his cards. But, either way, they do confirm that some thing is inhabiting Sayid's body. So, we'll have to wait and see.

Regarding #1 in your spoiler regarding Locke, MIB and Smoke monster:
Go to 1:55.

http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/jimmy-kimmel-live/SH005455790000/20957/250049

They clearly state that John lock is

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not possessed by the MIB, but that he is the smoke monster. This to me would indicate that the two entities, the MIB and the smoke monster are separate from one another.

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Here's part two of the Jimmy Kimmel interview:

http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/jimmy-kimmel-live/SH005455790000/20957/250049

And about Locke's association with the M.I.B.:

Spoiler

At the 1:52 mark the producers DO verify that Locke is not possessed by the MIB.
Very, very interesting.

Ok, I believe you're misunderstanding their response.

Locke isn't possessed by the Smoke Monster because that isn't John Locke. Get it?

Listen to Cuse's response immediately after. John Locke is dead so the John Locke we see is someone else. He isn't possessed. He is the Smoke Monster in costume.

And I'm not spoiler tagging my response because it's not a spoiler. It was proven in the episode.

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A few random thoughts.

I was confused at first at the "chains" comment directed to Richard but then guessed that it meant that he was a slave from the Black Rock. The Black Rock was shown sailing in the water during the MIB & Jacob's conversation on the beach.

During the opening water sequence did you catch the shark with the Dharma logo on its tail?

Jack only having one bottle on the flight was interesting. He used the second bottle to sterilize his crash wound during the crash. If the plane didn't crash he wouldn't have a wound and thus not need the second bottle.

Boone being on the plane was interesting. Loved his comment to Locke when he said "If this plane goes down I'm sticking with you!" And he did didn't he? He was like his sidekick.

And when Hurley was taking with Sayid, Sayid said, 'What will happen to me when I die?" I immedietely said, "You will turn into Jacob!" I guess we will see.

Really liked the scene with Jack & Locke at the baggage claim desk.

I know Jin is Korean and the guy that cut his hand was Japenese but you would think that Jin would have been able to understand some of what the guy was saying?

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Ok, I believe you're misunderstanding their response.

Locke isn't possessed by the Smoke Monster because that isn't John Locke. Get it?

Listen to Cuse's response immediately after. John Locke is dead so the John Locke we see is someone else. He isn't possessed. He is the Smoke Monster in costume.

And I'm not spoiler tagging my response because it's not a spoiler. It was proven in the episode.

EDIT: Ah. Okay. I get what you're saying.
It's not Locke at all. Locke is on the beach, dead. This is simply the SM/MIB taking the form of Locke. Got it. Thanks!

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A few random thoughts.

I was confused at first at the "chains" comment directed to Richard but then guessed that it meant that he was a slave from the Black Rock. The Black Rock was shown sailing in the water during the MIB & Jacob's conversation on the beach.

During the opening water sequence did you catch the shark with the Dharma logo on its tail?

Jack only having one bottle on the flight was interesting. He used the second bottle to sterilize his crash wound during the crash. If the plane didn't crash he wouldn't have a wound and thus not need the second bottle.

Boone being on the plane was interesting. Loved his comment to Locke when he said "If this plane goes down I'm sticking with you!" And he did didn't he? He was like his sidekick.

And when Hurley was taking with Sayid, Sayid said, 'What will happen to me when I die?" I immedietely said, "You will turn into Jacob!" I guess we will see.

Really liked the scene with Jack & Locke at the baggage claim desk.

I know Jin is Korean and the guy that cut his hand was Japenese but you would think that Jin would have been able to understand some of what the guy was saying?

Two totally different languages. They share very little in common despite what we may think.

I tried looking for the DHARMA shark as I watched the scene and didn't see it. Now I find out it was there. I think it was one of those moments where you try to focus so hard on something and end up overlooking it. Darn.

Boone also has a funny line to Locke. "Are you pulling my leg?" Heh. Think about it.



So, here's another theory that I've been running through my head.

We have been led to believe that whatever happened happened. What if this alternate reality is supposed to happen as well?

The entire Island is underwater and the statue is also broken in this alternate reality. Wouldn't water erosion help make a large statue begin to deteriorate?

edit: Wow, what a poorly worded sentence. Let's try that again.

Couldn't a statue begin to deteriorate as a result of being submerged in water?

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Ah. Okay. I get what you're saying.
However, I'm still not 100% sure that's the case as Jimmy Kimmel clearly asked "Is John Locke POSSESSED by the M.I.B."
Cuse answers "No.".
So in a way, Kimmel knows that this isn't John Locke. That he's really dead and something/someone is possessing the body of John Locke.
He asked if the MIB is possessing that body and he answers 'no'.
Everyone knew by the end of Season 5 that the John Locke in the 'foot' was not really John Locke but someone taking his form.

You're theory is probably correct. But I just thought it was strange in how it was answered when Kimmel clearly asked if his body was possessed by one entity or the other.

I think Jimmy Kimmel is confused and his confusion makes this seem bigger than it really is.

Cuse says: We learn that John Locke is the Smoke Monster.

Lindelof says: John Locke is not possessed by the Man in Black.

John Locke can't be possessed because John Locke is dead. The John Locke we see isn't the John Locke we've known. I think Kimmel knows Locke is dead, but worded his question poorly.

We know that the Man in Black wanted to kill Jacob. So by theory we know that John Locke is the Man in Black who is the Smoke Monster.

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One minor point that bothered me is why didn't Sawyer take Juliette's body to the temple? He knows they are taking Sayid to get some sort of magic healing.

I hadn't read about no flash forwards/backwards this season, so my first theory was that the scenes on the plane were flash forward and this season gives Jack another chance to get it right.
It's hard for me to accept the alternate reality with more than one of the same person at the same time.