Television Question

[The GIGGAS]

Is there a major perceivable difference between 120Hz and 240Hz? Or, for that matter, a difference between 60Hz and those two?

I'm looking at this TV: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+...080i&cp=1&lp=1

But it also comes for about 300 dollars more for a different model of the TV that is almost identical except it looks slightly different and it has 240Hz. I'm thinking that 120Hz is probably going to be fine, but if there's a difference that's quite perceivable, then I'll probably go with the 240Hz version.

[Trevytrev11]

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Not sure if this is comperable or not..the specs seem close if not identical, but you can pick it up at Costco for $80 cheaper...I think it's actually cheaper in the store (I was there this weekend).

not sure about the difference between 60/120/240.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...US&Sp=C&topnav=

[Trevytrev11]

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Hey man, check you PM...might help you out.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I've had both 60 and 120 and I did find a difference in that 120 has never been blurry for sports or actions scenes for me. I would remember instances where it was for my 60hz. Since 120 has not been a problem I can't see 240 really improving, at least not to the point where the watcher would notice. CNET in thier reviews pretty much have noticed little difference as well.

240hz is just another way for manufacturers to charge more for thier TV's as with LED and whatever new technology is around the corner. I never thought the day would come that TV's would resemble computers in the upgrade dept. In another year the question will no doubt be "is 240 as good as 480"

Unless you can get the 240 for virtually the same price, the 120 is your best bet price wise IMO. I have no complaints with mine.

[The GIGGAS]

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I've had both 60 and 120 and I did find a difference in that 120 has never been blurry for sports or actions scenes for me. I would remember instances where it was for my 60hz. Since 120 has not been a problem I can't see 240 really improving, at least not to the point where the watcher would notice. CNET in thier reviews pretty much have noticed little difference as well.

240hz is just another way for manufacturers to charge more for thier TV's as with LED and whatever new technology is around the corner. I never thought the day would come that TV's would resemble computers in the upgrade dept. In another year the question will no doubt be "is 240 as good as 480"

Unless you can get the 240 for virtually the same price, the 120 is your best bet price wise IMO. I have no complaints with mine.

Alright, thanks. I'm not buying it quite yet, and I was generally using Best Buy as a reference, but I just wanted to see if there was a difference or if it was just marketing.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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One more thing a big reason that 120's are markedly better is the improvement of the de-judder processing in TV's, at least that's how it was explained to me. The 120's have it enabled where the TV can output at 24 FPS(for movies, shoes) and 30 FPS (for games, sports docs) at the press of a button(s). The 60's don't have that and the 240's have the same as the 120's. This is known as the motion flow or tru motion effect which really has nothing to do with the Hz.

Put it on and sports pop out, turn it off and movies look like movies because they are outputting at 24FPS properly as the movie was shot. If you turn it on for movies you then get the soap opera effect which which most people don't like.

So it's just another reason why 240 and 120 are virtually the same TV spec wise. The HZ helps with stopping blur but the dejudder process is mainly responsible but stores don't want you to know that.

[The GIGGAS]

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Thanks for the advice, Seymour. I ended up pulling the trigger on the TV in the link, and it should be here on Saturday. I'm starting to get more and more excited as the day comes here, but I'm worried about my VGA connection on my Xbox, as it's shown some ghosting on my monitor, and I think it's my VGA cord that's going out (I've had it for about 3 years and I think it's just giving out). I've got a non-HDMI Xbox, and I'd like to get a HDMI Xbox... but I'm not sure how one would go about that.

Also need to get an HD DVR, and that ain't cheap either.

[ExtremeGamer]

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HD DVR isn't cheap? Doesn't your cable/satellite provider give you one?

[The GIGGAS]

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HD DVR isn't cheap? Doesn't your cable/satellite provider give you one?

Well... I've got an interesting thing going on with my apartment. Here's how I perceive it to happen:

My apartment complex gets their TV from something called BulkTV. BulkTV gets the actual TV from Dish. However, if I want a DVR or HD reciever, I have to pay BulkTV a big deposit. The deposit is really the biggest problem in this, as I don't pay too much for internet + TV currently (about 40 dollars a month), and it would only go up about 12 dollars a month for HD service.

[Chizzypoof]

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I have the 40" version of this Samsung. You wont be disappointed. The picture quality is excellent, and 120hrz really shines on HD Television. All though I only keep it to its minimum (clear) setting. Anything higher seems to give it a cutout - soap opera look.

Playing games in 120hrz is a different story though. Even though it looks good at times, there is a small delay (milliseconds). It may not seem like a long time, but in terms of playing a game that requires precision input, such as pitching in The Show, it can be very drastic. I have to turn off all extra processes on the TV and activate Game Mode.

Once you get the TV let me know how it works out. It would be interesting to compare setups and see if we can optimize things.

[Speedy]

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HD DVR isn't cheap? Doesn't your cable/satellite provider give you one?

Time Warner doesn't.

[The GIGGAS]

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The BB profile of the TV I'm getting says it's got a response rate of 4ms... which is damn fast, and shouldn't cause any problems. The only problem with that number is how it was measured. Hopefully, though, I won't find any problems with it, as that would really suck. I think the monitor I play them on now is about 8 ms.

[ExtremeGamer]

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The BB profile of the TV I'm getting says it's got a response rate of 4ms... which is damn fast, and shouldn't cause any problems. The only problem with that number is how it was measured. Hopefully, though, I won't find any problems with it, as that would really suck. I think the monitor I play them on now is about 8 ms.

No, what he's saying is the 120hz with motion flow could cause issues. You'll probably want to turn it off for gaming, I do on my TV. I think it makes gaming look worse.

[Chizzypoof]

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The BB profile of the TV I'm getting says it's got a response rate of 4ms... which is damn fast, and shouldn't cause any problems. The only problem with that number is how it was measured. Hopefully, though, I won't find any problems with it, as that would really suck. I think the monitor I play them on now is about 8 ms.

There is no delay whatsoever when playing games in game mode. It is a great response time and there is no ghosting at all when moving objects are projected against a dark background.

[The GIGGAS]

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Ah, OK... I got myself confused. Thanks guys. I'll be sure to keep that in mind when I play my first game on the TV.