3D Gaming

[Xtreme]

I've been hearing about 3D games, and truth be told except for those that use those crappy glasses, I've never had the opportunity to play one. Is it really that different? Does it have a virtual reality aspect to it, like it's like being in the game getting stuff thrown at you?

Does anybody actually have a 3D TV and played 3D games on it? How was it? Is it worth it buying a 3D TV just for this?

[RockinDaMike]

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I played gran turisimo on 3d and PS3 demo, I forgot the name but it's off road racing, more fantasy type with rocket boosters. Gran Turismo for me was not that good in 3d, gave me more of a headache than anything. But the demo racing game was really good.

Like whenever I drove over water, water looked like it was splashing back at me. I remember something flying at me and I moved out of the way like an idiot, haha.

It's cool and all but it gives me a headache after awhile and I prefer to game normally. So not worth it. I have a 3d tv more for watching movies/shows.

[WTF]

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I've got a 3D tv and the accompanying glasses, and so far, I haven't found any games that would make me go and buy a 3d tv just to play it. Is it nice? Yeah, it's pretty cool. But I'm just not sold on some of the games out there right now.

It's definitely not worth going to buy a tv just so you can do it. I've got a 55" LED 3D, and I'm glad I opted for it instead of the 47", as you have more screen for 3d to pop off of. Still not worth it "yet".

[mjb2124]

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I also have a 3DTV and think it's pretty cool for both games and movies. Not all games/movies are created equal and have the same 3D affect, but it's cool nonetheless. I figure that it's going to come along more and more as the year goes on.

With that said, some people get headaches from it and it's not recommended to play or watch 3D for hours on end. The longest I've gone is a 2 hour movie and was fine with that, but I could see how gaming for 4+ hours could give me a headache or eye strain.

[Skyboxer]

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I've got a 3D tv and the accompanying glasses, and so far, I haven't found any games that would make me go and buy a 3d tv just to play it. Is it nice? Yeah, it's pretty cool. But I'm just not sold on some of the games out there right now.

It's definitely not worth going to buy a tv just so you can do it. I've got a 55" LED 3D, and I'm glad I opted for it instead of the 47", as you have more screen for 3d to pop off of. Still not worth it "yet".

I also have a 3DTV and think it's pretty cool for both games and movies. Not all games/movies are created equal and have the same 3D affect, but it's cool nonetheless. I figure that it's going to come along more and more as the year goes on.

With that said, some people get headaches from it and it's not recommended to play or watch 3D for hours on end. The longest I've gone is a 2 hour movie and was fine with that, but I could see how gaming for 4+ hours could give me a headache or eye strain.

I played the KZ3 3D demo and MLB The Show 10 3D demo last night.
I thought it was pretty freaking cool. Definitely takes some getting used to. KZ3 was pretty awesome in 3D.

I was due for a new TV (Wife knows I'm on a 3-4 year plan on TV's and decided to get 3D model----Like I got the Samsung PN50c680 for 999.99. Came with the Shrek 3D started kit. Haven't got the 3D kit yet as they are on backorder. I went out and grabbed a pair of the rechargable glasses though. So that will give me 3 pairs. 1 shy of the family total.

Anyways I wouldn't go get a 3D set right now for 3D but if you need a new TV it's an option.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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As of now........NO it isn't worth it. It will be a couple of years before videogames truly take advantage of 3D. But as it is now, 3D gaming is just a gimmick.

Don't believe the hype. There is no wow factor like it was going from STD to HD gaming. Not like that at all.

[Skyboxer]

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As of now........NO it isn't worth it. It will be a couple of years before videogames truly take advantage of 3D. But as it is now, 3D gaming is just a gimmick.

Don't believe the hype. There is no wow factor like it was going from STD to HD gaming. Not like that at all.

Well each person will be different. I thought it was pretty cool. Also i havent really seen any hype about 3D. All i ever see is movie dvd/bluray ads that say available in 3D. Its a cool feature but like I said its not worth buying a 3D tv if you dont need a tv.

[mjb2124]

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As of now........NO it isn't worth it. It will be a couple of years before videogames truly take advantage of 3D. But as it is now, 3D gaming is just a gimmick.

Don't believe the hype. There is no wow factor like it was going from STD to HD gaming. Not like that at all.

Do you have a 3DTV for gaming? I wouldn't call it a gimmick as 3D has been pretty cool for the few demo's and game I've tried it on. I've also had that wow factor in COD 3D and on a few demo's.

3D is in it's infancy right now and some people are doing it better than others. Same with movies. Some movies are fantastic in 3D while others are simply average.

Like Skyboxer stated, I wouldn't run out and buy a 3DTV just to buy one. I got one because I was in line to buy a new TV due to the room size in my new house (old 46" was too small). If you were to ask if I'd do it over and buy a non-3DTV, I'd say no. I'm very happy with what I've seen so far and know it will only get better.

On a side note, the glasses don't appeal to some people, but I don't see the big deal. Who cares what someone looks like in their own home (let alone outside the house)? People are too self conscience nowadays IMO. I think glassless 3D is going to be further away than people think (ie: the 2D HD content on glassless TV's has been described as muddy and poor. Not to mention a 21" glassless 3DTV is going for nearly $3000. That's what I paid for a 63" glasses 3DTV. There simply is no comparison right now).

[Skyboxer]

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On a side note, the glasses don't appeal to some people, but I don't see the big deal. Who cares what someone looks like in their own home (let alone outside the house)? People are too self conscience nowadays IMO. I think glassless 3D is going to be further away than people think (ie: the 2D HD content on glassless TV's has been described as muddy and poor. Not to mention a 21" glassless 3DTV is going for nearly $3000. That's what I paid for a 63" glasses 3DTV. There simply is no comparison right now).

Yeah I have zero issues with the glasses. Don't see a big deal. They fit over my glasses also. Glad I went 3D on my new TV.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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This latest 3D craze is pretty much already dead and the backlash and indifference by consumers has already begun. Just like when it died in the 50's and the 80's. 3D movies are dying at the box officee and the 3d problems now is exactly the same as they were before. Dimmed images and motion blur and stupid glasses. 3D TV sales have shown miniscule growth so save your money on a 3D TV if you wanna buy now.

As inventories stockpile due to anemic sales there are going to be massive discounts on 3D TV's by Xmas as stores are reporting customers are specifically telling salespeople that they don' want a 3DTV even though the 2D on it is the same as reguler Hidef TV's. The stigma of watching headache inducing TV is there with adults and the adults are the ones who buy the TV's not the teenagers who think it's still cool. Not to mention the next gimmick is already on the horizen which apparently is "Super hidef" which is twice the resolution of current Hidef images.

[Skyboxer]

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This really is no different than anything else that came out. Those that early adopt are ok with it and give the good and bad. Those that don't make sure they spread the word how bad it is or the odds of survival.
Whether it is successful or not realy has no bearing for me as I needed a TV anyways so I just got one with 3D also.
and the world keeps going round and round...

[mjb2124]

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This latest 3D craze is pretty much already dead and the backlash and indifference by consumers has already begun. Just like when it died in the 50's and the 80's. 3D movies are dying at the box officee and the 3d problems now is exactly the same as they were before. Dimmed images and motion blur and stupid glasses. 3D TV sales have shown miniscule growth so save your money on a 3D TV if you wanna buy now.

I wouldn't go that far at all. 3D movies have actually done well at the box office... Some movies have done better than others, but it certainly is not dead. Hell, Indie directors are starting to make their movies in 3D now...and they have limited budgets.

Dimmed images and motion blur? You haven't seen them on my TV then. I have neither problem - nor do I get headaches watching 3D (although cell light is turned to 20 for 3D content and I don't want 3D for hours on end). Stupid glasses? You know many people wear glasses everyday just to see, right? This again is one of the more annoying points that people bring up with 3D. There's really nothing wrong with the glasses nor are they as bad as people make them out to be (I do think the Sony glasses look poor, but the LG and Samsung look like regular sunglasses). Again, who cares about wearing them or how they look in one's own house.

In regards to "Super HiDef" or "Ultra HiDef". How exactly are cable companies going to broadcast this if they don't have the bandwidth to broadcast 1080p right now? Not to mention you'd need a screen the size of a wall to make it worthwhile. FWIW, Super HiDef has been in development in Japan since 2003...so one might say that Super HiDef hasn't exactly peaked much interest yet.

With that said and as I mentioned above, I'd buy my 3DTV again if I had the chance. The 2D HD image is one of the best on the market and 3D is an added bonus.

[WTF]

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Exactly. I'd buy my tv again in a heartbeat. I love having the option of 3D, even if I don't use it a lot right now. It's still a great technology, and I don't have a problem with my LG glasses. They are comfortable, and provide a really nice 3D experience. I just don't use it a lot right now, because my little one likes to try to pull them off of daddy's face

I'm looking forward to see how 3D continues in the near future. Oh, FPS experience in 3D is pretty freakin cool, but still not the "I'm right there in the action" deal, but it adds a little more realism to the experience. If you have a 7.1 Surround setup, and 3D set, then playing a 3D FPS will give you an experience like you would expect. It's not ultra real, but it's still awesome.

I didn't like 2k11 in 3D though. Just didn't add a lot to it. There's some depth, which is nice, but not worth going and playing it for hours on end, just to see the effects.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I wouldn't go that far at all. 3D movies have actually done well at the box office... Some movies have done better than others, but it certainly is not dead. Hell, Indie directors are starting to make their movies in 3D now...and they have limited budgets.

Dimmed images and motion blur? You haven't seen them on my TV then. I have neither problem - nor do I get headaches watching 3D (although cell light is turned to 20 for 3D content and I don't want 3D for hours on end). Stupid glasses? You know many people wear glasses everyday just to see, right? This again is one of the more annoying points that people bring up with 3D. There's really nothing wrong with the glasses nor are they as bad as people make them out to be (I do think the Sony glasses look poor, but the LG and Samsung look like regular sunglasses). Again, who cares about wearing them or how they look in one's own house.

In regards to "Super HiDef" or "Ultra HiDef". How exactly are cable companies going to broadcast this if they don't have the bandwidth to broadcast 1080p right now? Not to mention you'd need a screen the size of a wall to make it worthwhile. FWIW, Super HiDef has been in development in Japan since 2003...so one might say that Super HiDef hasn't exactly peaked much interest yet.

With that said and as I mentioned above, I'd buy my 3DTV again if I had the chance. The 2D HD image is one of the best on the market and 3D is an added bonus.

You're speaking as someone who watches TV by themselves alot. The vast majority of people don't. And yes a majority of people wear glasses and they definately don't wear want to wear 2 pairs of glasses not to mention at least having to get 4 or 5 pairs of glasses that are misplaced. You ever misplace your remote well think about multiple pairs of 3d glasses stuck in the couch when you have kids around. And parents are the ones that buy the TVs and drive the market.

If you think 3d images even compares to a hidef 2d image in clarity, brightness and vividness then I don't know what to say. 1st off 3d transmits in I beleive 540i compared to 1080i or p for 2D because like you mentioned of limited bandwidth which means 3D channels will not look very nice. Super hidef is a gimmick as well but it's the NEW gimmick which will make 3D dated. Obviously all these new gimmicks are not optimal for broadcast TV until the cable infrastructure is overhauled for greater bandwidth which is literally decades away because of the enormous cost.

As for movies only Avatar and Alice in Wonderland a full year ago was an inarguable success because of 3D. Every non Pixar 3D movie in the last 6 months has not fared well at the BO even though prices are 30% higher. Only kids movies seem successful but that's because the target audience are kids who want the 3D. Every parent I know can't stand 3D and only go because they have no choice with kids movies. And the simplest indicators are usually the most accurate. A friend of mine is a Best Buy manager and he says people routinely come in and say they don't want 3D and still think it's affects the 2D picture so the stigma is there.

And lastly when I'm watching TV I also read or on a laptop etc..at the same time and I'm pretty sure alot of other people are doing the same thing. How are you supposed to that with those glasses on? And of course the headache issues and nausea are still there. Yes you don't watch 3D all the time but the extra annoyance with misplaced glasses and having totake them on and off to do other tasks while watching turns most people off. And more than enough to not make them the TV buying standard and unless 3D TVs are the mainstream TV's bought they can't be mass produced which allows for cheaper manufacturing costs. So if it costs too much for manufacturers to make for a niche market then they stop producing them so they can make regular 2D TVs for so much cheaper.

The same problems exist now that they did with previous incarnations. It's fine to buy one now but this time next year they will be heavily discounted as it becomes a dead technology with mainstream TV buying. The growth in the market place has stagnated already for 3D TV's and are not even close to the market trends for 2D HDTV's were when they 1st came out. Nobody wants them or is buying them, plain and simple and there's gonna be alot of building inventory they will have to get rid of during Xmas and thereafter.

[mjb2124]

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You're speaking as someone who watches TV by themselves alot. The vast majority of people don't. And yes a majority of people wear glasses and they definately don't wear want to wear 2 pairs of glasses not to mention at least having to get 4 or 5 pairs of glasses that are misplaced. You ever misplace your remote well think about multiple pairs of 3d glasses stuck in the couch when you have kids around. And parents are the ones that buy the TVs and drive the market.

If you think 3d images even compares to a hidef 2d image in clarity, brightness and vividness then I don't know what to say. 1st off 3d transmits in I beleive 540i compared to 1080i or p for 2D because like you mentioned of limited bandwidth which means 3D channels will not look very nice. Super hidef is a gimmick as well but it's the NEW gimmick which will make 3D dated. Obviously all these new gimmicks are not optimal for broadcast TV until the cable infrastructure is overhauled for greater bandwidth which is literally decades away because of the enormous cost.

As for movies only Avatar and Alice in Wonderland a full year ago was an inarguable success because of 3D. Every non Pixar 3D movie in the last 6 months has not fared well at the BO even though prices are 30% higher. Only kids movies seem successful but that's because the target audience are kids who want the 3D. Every parent I know can't stand 3D and only go because they have no choice with kids movies. And the simplest indicators are usually the most accurate. A friend of mine is a Best Buy manager and he says people routinely come in and say they don't want 3D and still think it's affects the 2D picture so the stigma is there.

And lastly when I'm watching TV I also read or on a laptop etc..at the same time and I'm pretty sure alot of other people are doing the same thing. How are you supposed to that with those glasses on? And of course the headache issues and nausea are still there. Yes you don't watch 3D all the time but the extra annoyance with misplaced glasses and having totake them on and off to do other tasks while watching turns most people off. And more than enough to not make them the TV buying standard and unless 3D TVs are the mainstream TV's bought they can't be mass produced which allows for cheaper manufacturing costs. So if it costs too much for manufacturers to make for a niche market then they stop producing them so they can make regular 2D TVs for so much cheaper.

The same problems exist now that they did with previous incarnations. It's fine to buy one now but this time next year they will be heavily discounted as it becomes a dead technology with mainstream TV buying. The growth in the market place has stagnated already for 3D TV's and are not even close to the market trends for 2D HDTV's were when they 1st came out. Nobody wants them or is buying them, plain and simple and there's gonna be alot of building inventory they will have to get rid of during Xmas and thereafter.

No, I watch TV with my wife and will do the same when I have children. I also have Super Bowl parties at my house where I have family and friends come over. So to say I watch TV alone a lot is completely untrue...it's actually a bit funny to me because I might watch at most, 1 hour of TV per week alone. No, I've never misplaced my remote and I'll never misplace however many pairs of 3D glasses that I'll have. When I'm done using the remote, it goes back in it's charger. When I'm done using the glasses, they go back in the drawer. Everything has it's place. I'm probably neater than most though, but it helps with the issues you mentioned. I'm never looking for the remote, glasses etc... Perhaps I take care of my things more than most? I don't know, but I do know I'm never wasting time looking for them.

You're making a lot of inaccurate assumptions. I never said that 3D looks as good as 2D. However, the TV I have is ranked as having the 2nd best 2D picture on the market right now (by many publications). 3D is a bonus which looks very good. If consumers out there think 3D sets have poor 2D picture, then they aren't doing their research. Glasses free 3D sets have very poor 2D picture (along with a huge cost for a small TV), but not sets that require glasses. If you buy a Sammy PNC8000 or a Panasonic VT25, you'll get an amazing 2D picture and 3D. It is possible to have the best of both Worlds.

I use 3D for movies and gaming and have found that one movie can be much different than the next (I received the Shrek bundle with my purchase and Shrek 1 in 3D was average at best...Shrek 4 was much better). CoD is very good in 3D for video games. Like I said before, none of it was dim or had motion blur, but that might be due to my TV and the calibration settings. Yes, at rare times I surf the web while watching TV, but not while playing games or watching movies. The reason I usually don't surf the web while watching TV is because I watch TV with other people! It's rude to surf the web while watching TV with them (unless I'm working...then everyone understands). Super HiDef isn't exactly the new gimmick...it was first developed in 2003. Was shown at a trade show in 2005 and still isn't making much progress. I don't think we'll see it anytime soon, if ever. You are also making the assumption that EVERYONE gets headaches or nauseous from watching 3D. That's simply not true. I don't, my wife doesn't, my niece/nephew don't, my sister doesn't, my 2 sister-in-laws don't, my mother/father don't and 2 of my neighbors don't. So that's 11 people who have watched at my house and didn't get a headache. I'm not saying it doesn't exist...but my point is that it doesn't affect everyone.

My current cable provider does not offer 3D TV stations yet. However, they have told me they will by mid-March with a lot more offerings this summer. Many other cable providers do offer 3D TV stations and from what I've heard, it looks good. I can't really comment as I have yet to see it. I know ESPN has a 3D station, Discovery, MSG, Fox Sports, Video on Demand have 3D offerings etc... We'll see when it becomes available to me. I won't say it will look better than 2D HD stations, but it will be something different and cool to see. It will be broadcast to each eye in 960 x 1080. Not as good as blu-ray 3D or video game 3D.

I'm not saying everyone is running out to buy 3DTV's, but I've seen quite a few in my area amongst neighbors, family, friends, co-workers etc... I think it will do just fine once prices drop. It's a new technology and not everyone has $3000 to spend at will. I bought a new house and had a much larger family room. The 46" was too small (about 19ft away in a 25ft room), so I bought a 63" 3DTV. I figured, if it takes off, I have a very good 3DTV and outstanding 2DTV. If not, I have an outstanding 2D HDTV.

The funny thing I've seen about 3D so far is those that have it, enjoy it and those that don't, tend to find every reason/excuse as to why it's not good and won't last. A guy at work gave me crap for it for 1 month straight until he finally said "Ya know, I'm just giving you crap because I can't afford to buy a 3DTV and would love to have one". I'm sure others feel the same way and I'm sure there are others who just don't like it and never will. That's fine - it's not for everyone, but let's not discount it as it does have it's place.