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  • CMH
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    • Oct 2002
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    #886
    Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

    Originally posted by jeremym480
    The only thing that I will say is that I wish the writers would have made something more happen to her (when she first got to Woodbury)other than having her sword taken away. Because her motivation to get out of Woodbury never made much sense to me. Everything that happened to her after what she did in WB was her own fault.
    I think this is what started my agitation with her character and who she interacts with. I guess maybe I'm being hard on the Governor not being villain enough - though I agree I'd like to see him do more. Perhaps we will see what's in store with this cliffhanger we got.
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    • kingkilla56
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      #887
      Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

      You guys should really read the prison issues of the comic. This Governor does the comic one no justice in terms of villain...hood(?)

      I have a feeling that Michonne killing his zombie daughter and swiping his eye is going to be the catalyst for him going into ruthless comic governor mode. If so it would make for some good character development on his part. The evil he has committed just hasnt been enough to make people hate him. Him stripping Maggie (disturbing but not all that upsetting really, but I may be numb to that as a comic fan) and killing soldiers who we met at that same moment just wasnt enough to make us hate him. But I feel like they have something good coming to change all of our views on him as a sympathetic character.
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      • CMH
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        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #888
        Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

        edit: Blah, read the above post wrong.

        But I agree. If he goes nut on us and really wrecks some havoc, I will applaud heavily because that would really screw with me. Right now, I'm sad for the guy. He lost what he cared for and is now questioning (assumption based on what he has planned) the allegiance of his most trusted soldiers.

        Make that man want me to hate him so much I hope Michonne stabs him in the other eye and they walk him into a dark field where zombies eat him alive.
        Last edited by CMH; 12-14-2012, 01:58 PM.
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        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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        • goh
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          • Aug 2003
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          #889
          Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

          Massive probable future spoiler but one of those fun to look back on things in about March...

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          • Brandwin
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            • Jul 2002
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            #890
            Originally posted by goh
            Massive probable future spoiler but one of those fun to look back on things in about March...

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            If they take it that far. I hope they do so we know the Governor is truly horrible person.

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            • bamalam
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              • Nov 2002
              • 1407

              #891
              Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

              Originally posted by Quint75
              So murdering the National Guardsman (including the helicopter pilot) was not evil? Sorry, I get the whole Michonne overreacted from the beginning thing but the governor is not a good guy and there is no excuse for murdering the guardsmen. If it was the right thing to do, why does he constantly lie to his own people? Cause he knows what is better for them than they do? Sorry, not buying it. I agree that they could have done a better job making him seem more evil, but what he did was cold blooded murder, not survival. So I guess give the writers credit for making him a bit more nuanced and grey rather than ten shades of black and twirling a mustache.
              I agree also.

              Didnt governor also authorize killing glenn and maggie . they would be dead if not for the rescue.

              also gave merle free reign to Merle to torture glenn
              also is holding Darryl captive
              also has already started plotting "taking the prison" which means eliminating everyone there.

              clearly he is a murderer and a liar and torturer at best even at this point. the guy playing him doesn't yell super villian - I think they could have cast better, but maybe they were going for avg guy gone bad.

              I had no problem with Michonne coming back to kill him after the hit squad came after her, and she saw Glenn and Maggie captured. she wanted to leave prior to that and was headed away when merle came after her.

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              • Quint75
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                • Jul 2002
                • 3304

                #892
                Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

                Originally posted by bamalam
                I agree also.

                Didnt governor also authorize killing glenn and maggie . they would be dead if not for the rescue.

                also gave merle free reign to Merle to torture glenn
                also is holding Darryl captive
                also has already started plotting "taking the prison" which means eliminating everyone there.

                clearly he is a murderer and a liar and torturer at best even at this point. the guy playing him doesn't yell super villian - I think they could have cast better, but maybe they were going for avg guy gone bad.

                I had no problem with Michonne coming back to kill him after the hit squad came after her, and she saw Glenn and Maggie captured. she wanted to leave prior to that and was headed away when merle came after her.
                Good points, all. I think the fact that he is not such an obvious "villain" means that they cast the part just right.
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                • Candyman5
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                  #893
                  Two questions:

                  1. When does the new season start back up?

                  2. Where can I go to watch the episodes I missed? I am to the part in season 2 when they meet the other survivors in the bar after the barn incident.
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                  • CMH
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                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #894
                    AMC plans to rebroadcast episodes from season 1 and 2 in black and white as a nod to the original comic artwork.

                    Confirmed rebroadcast dates:

                    Feb. 14, 6:30 p.m. 101
                    Feb. 14, 8 p.m. 102
                    Feb. 21, 8 p.m. 103
                    Feb. 28, 8 p.m. 104
                    March 7, 8 p.m. 105
                    March 14, 8 p.m. 106
                    March 21, 7:30 p.m. 201
                    April 4, 8 p.m. 202
                    April 11, 8 p.m. 203
                    April 18, 8 p.m. 204
                    April 25, 8 p.m. 205
                    May 2, 8 p.m. 206


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                    Last edited by CMH; 12-15-2012, 04:23 PM.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                    • JBH3
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                      • Jan 2007
                      • 13506

                      #895
                      As was previously stated I think the show did a poor job w/ the Michonne/Governor plotline too. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said it was as if we were to know that Michonne and the Governor had a history via the comic book and somehow Michonne's hatred toward the Governor was a manifestation of that.

                      With that said, the Governor is a fascist, tyrannical, murderous, lying, delusional creep who deserves no sympathy or goodwill.
                      Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                      All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                      • Beantown
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                        • Feb 2005
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                        #896
                        Originally posted by JBH3
                        As was previously stated I think the show did a poor job w/ the Michonne/Governor plotline too. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said it was as if we were to know that Michonne and the Governor had a history via the comic book and somehow Michonne's hatred toward the Governor was a manifestation of that.

                        With that said, the Governor is a fascist, tyrannical, murderous, lying, delusional creep who deserves no sympathy or goodwill.
                        The COMIC version of the Governor is all of those things. The COMIC Governor deserves no sympathy or goodwill.

                        The writers have made it clear that this is not a literal reselling adaptation of the comic. This is a slightly different take on the material to make it so fans of the comics do not know every single thing that'll happen.

                        The SHOW Governor has been painted as quite the sympathetic villain. Readers of the comic have to separate themselves from the comic when watching the show. Not every character is going to be the same all the time. I certainly believe they are headed towards the comic's ruthless Governor in the second half of the season, but the writers of the show did a wonderful job keeping the character more gray than the comic and allowing people...like CMH...to actually side with him over Michonne, something that'd never happen in the comic.

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                        • JBH3
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                          #897
                          Originally posted by Beantown
                          The COMIC version of the Governor is all of those things. The COMIC Governor deserves no sympathy or goodwill.

                          The writers have made it clear that this is not a literal reselling adaptation of the comic. This is a slightly different take on the material to make it so fans of the comics do not know every single thing that'll happen.

                          The SHOW Governor has been painted as quite the sympathetic villain. Readers of the comic have to separate themselves from the comic when watching the show. Not every character is going to be the same all the time. I certainly believe they are headed towards the comic's ruthless Governor in the second half of the season, but the writers of the show did a wonderful job keeping the character more gray than the comic and allowing people...like CMH...to actually side with him over Michonne, something that'd never happen in the comic.
                          Actually... My depiction of the Governor comes straight from the show, here goes:

                          Fascist: The Governor runs a false town called Woodbury. He expects everyone to fall in line w/ him, sees all other citizens of the US as terrorists if they are against him. For more clarification read Websters definition of fascism.

                          Tyrannical: See Facist.

                          Murderous: Killed the National Guardsman, wanted Michonne dead, likely killed countless others in TV show that just were not shown.

                          Lying: Has lied to Andrea, has lied to the people of Woodbury.

                          Creep: Trophy room of heads, zombie daughter.

                          Delusional: Ties into the fascist/tyrannical leader he is, refers to Ricks group as terrorists. Seems he has ordained himself the President of the US, because Rick and his group have rights to whatever they want too.

                          So there goes my explanation of the Governor as we've seen him in the show. You don't need his comicbook "atrocities" to see him as what I've mentioned.
                          Last edited by JBH3; 12-15-2012, 08:37 PM.
                          Originally posted by Edmund Burke
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                          • kingkilla56
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                            #898
                            Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

                            Originally posted by JBH3
                            Actually... My depiction of the Governor comes straight from the show, here goes:

                            Fascist: The Governor runs a false town called Woodbury. He expects everyone to fall in line w/ him, sees all other citizens of the US as terrorists if they are against him. For more clarification read Websters definition of fascism.

                            Tyrannical: See Facist.

                            Murderous: Killed the National Guardsman, wanted Michonne dead, likely killed countless others in TV show that just were not shown.

                            Lying: Has lied to Andrea, has lied to the people of Woodbury.

                            Creep: Trophy room of heads, zombie daughter.

                            Delusional: Ties into the fascist/tyrannical leader he is, refers to Ricks group as terrorists. Seems he has ordained himself the President of the US, because Rick and his group have rights to whatever they want too.

                            So there goes my explanation of the Governor as we've seen him in the show. You don't need his comicbook "atrocities" to see him as what I've mentioned.
                            All of this is great but its nothing compared to the comic gov. I actually like the show depiction of the govt, but I hated everything about the comic one (the character himself not the way he was written). This one seems more human even with the traits you have listed.
                            Last edited by kingkilla56; 12-15-2012, 09:13 PM.
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                            • Jr.
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #899
                              Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

                              Originally posted by JBH3
                              Actually... My depiction of the Governor comes straight from the show, here goes:

                              Fascist: The Governor runs a false town called Woodbury. He expects everyone to fall in line w/ him, sees all other citizens of the US as terrorists if they are against him. For more clarification read Websters definition of fascism.

                              Tyrannical: See Facist.

                              Murderous: Killed the National Guardsman, wanted Michonne dead, likely killed countless others in TV show that just were not shown.

                              Lying: Has lied to Andrea, has lied to the people of Woodbury.

                              Creep: Trophy room of heads, zombie daughter.

                              Delusional: Ties into the fascist/tyrannical leader he is, refers to Ricks group as terrorists. Seems he has ordained himself the President of the US, because Rick and his group have rights to whatever they want too.

                              So there goes my explanation of the Governor as we've seen him in the show. You don't need his comicbook "atrocities" to see him as what I've mentioned.
                              Woodbury is very real. He has provided a safe haven for over 50 people

                              Honestly, I agree with others that it is a safety concern to see intruders/others as a threat. We've seen that with Rick and his group as well. I don't necessarily agree with the Governor killing outsiders on the spot, but I can see his side of it as well.

                              I do agree with lying. He has blatantly lied to his group as to how he has acquired some of the resources.

                              Murderous is part of the world that they live in. You can see that plain as day in Rick's group as well. They have murdered plenty of people.

                              Creepiness is agreed on. The wall of zombie heads was just flat-out weird. Keeping his zombie daughter around... not as weird. I sympathize with that.

                              Delusional, I don't agree with. He sees anyone else around his area as a threat.. I see that as safety-first, rather than tyrannical. He has taken control of Woodbury and is making sure his group is safe.. similar to Rick's control over his group.
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                              • JBH3
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                                • Jan 2007
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                                #900
                                Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

                                Originally posted by Baughn3
                                Woodbury is very real. He has provided a safe haven for over 50 people

                                Honestly, I agree with others that it is a safety concern to see intruders/others as a threat. We've seen that with Rick and his group as well. I don't necessarily agree with the Governor killing outsiders on the spot, but I can see his side of it as well.

                                I do agree with lying. He has blatantly lied to his group as to how he has acquired some of the resources.

                                Murderous is part of the world that they live in. You can see that plain as day in Rick's group as well. They have murdered plenty of people.

                                Creepiness is agreed on. The wall of zombie heads was just flat-out weird. Keeping his zombie daughter around... not as weird. I sympathize with that.

                                Delusional, I don't agree with. He sees anyone else around his area as a threat.. I see that as safety-first, rather than tyrannical. He has taken control of Woodbury and is making sure his group is safe.. similar to Rick's control over his group.
                                The definition of fascist is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

                                ^^^If that isn't the governor, I don't know what is.

                                You do not see this w/ Rick or his group. Aside from the season 2 finale where Rick stated "this is no longer a democracy" really nothing seems to have changed. His members can make a lot of their own decisions i.e. Maggie and Glenn going for formula, and everyone his allowed to contribute to the overall well being of the group. There's no comparing to Rick's group. Rick is not sending Darryl out on a wild goose chase for a woman's head and her sword ok.

                                However, Rick did endanger his group by searching for Sophie, but can you blame him?

                                For the simple fact that the Governor wants to take the prison at all costs is reason enough to see him as a murderous, dictorial, tyrant. At any time Rick's group could've tied Hershel up and taken over his farm, but did not and begged and pleaded to be allowed to stay. That example is clear demarkation point between the two characters.

                                Rick's group never murdered anyone in cold blood. Hell we got 3 or 4 episodes of Rick trying to come to terms on what to do w/ Randall. The Philadelphia guys they killed in that bar was not in cold-blood, that was in self-defense. The hermit living in the woods in season3, who had a gun on Rick, again self-defense. When murderous just becomes "part of the world they live in", that is when you begin to lose your humanity.

                                What would the Governor had done w/ Randall? What was he about to do to Glenn and Maggie? He was going to have Merle and Co. take them into the Red Zone and throw them in that pit where the zombies fall...the screecher pit I think they call it.

                                The Governor said he loves to fight, do you think Rick loves doing what he does? Never once did you even get the impression that Rick was enjoying any of this. The Governor seemed to have an orgasim when his group took out those Nat'l Guardsmen.

                                Rick has only been fighting to survive because he was 1. Scared, and 1A. Has a family to protect. The Governor fights to seed his own power & control over a world that he sees for the taking.

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                                A Member of Rick's Group
                                Last edited by JBH3; 12-16-2012, 08:47 AM.
                                Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                                All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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