The Walking Dead (Season 3)

[kingkilla56]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

I don't see the issue with the weapons. Michonne is walking around not trusting the people that took her in and the first thing she demands is her weapon. I wouldn't give her a weapon either. Why does she need it?A

In all honestly, as the governor of a town, why does Michonne need a weapon? What she should do is ask for her weapon so she can defend the wall with the rest of them. Since she doesn't offer any solid reason for a weapon, the governor can only assume she means to use it to kill him.

Realistically speaking, Michonne has no reason to act the way she's acting.

I was with you until the past part. We don't know anything about Michoone or what she's been through to make her so jaded about new people. One thing that shows up in the series more often than not is that nothing is as it seems. She wants her sword back so she can defend herself if she has to. They are in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. Any moment can be your last.

Additionally, why does she have to trust that these people don't have alterior motives for taking them in? In a world where resources are low what does she owe them now that they, what's seems like forcefully, took them into their camp and had them locked in a room with 4 guards. Andrea hasn't seen the worst part in people so she is green as a leaf. But Michonnes isn't so easy fooled as her guard is always up for reasons we don't know; from her personal experience.

I mean we see what the governor is capable of as audience members. Why would we say Michonnes is being unreasonable in her skepticism when in fact we know things aren't as they seem? I wouldn't be surprised if Andrea and Michonne are trapped and won't be allowed to leave. The governor is obviously milking them for information on other camps, specifically Ricks, not that they know anything about ricks camp. So surely the governor can't allow them to leave and squeal on their location right?

I'm on team skeptisim from the start. You can't trust anybody new. The show has stressed this from day one.

[CMH]

I was with you until the past part. We don't know anything about Michoone or what she's been through to make her so jaded about new people. One thing that shows up in the series more often than not is that nothing is as it seems. She wants her sword back so she can defend herself if she has to. They are in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. Any moment can be your last.

Additionally, why does she have to trust that these people don't have alterior motives for taking them in? In a world where resources are low what does she owe them now that they, what's seems like forcefully, took them into their camp and had them locked in a room with 4 guards. Andrea hasn't seen the worst part in people so she is green as a leaf. But Michonnes isn't so easy fooled as her guard is always up for reasons we don't know; from her personal experience.

I mean we see what the governor is capable of as audience members. Why would we say Michonnes is being unreasonable in her skepticism when in fact we know things aren't as they seem? I wouldn't be surprised if Andrea and Michonne are trapped and won't be allowed to leave. The governor is obviously milking them for information on other camps, specifically Ricks, not that they know anything about ricks camp. So surely the governor can't allow them to leave and squeal on their location right?

I'm on team skeptisim from the start. You can't trust anybody new. The show has stressed this from day one.

I think this reaction to Michonne's behavior is only because we get to be third person omniscient for the most part.

She's heavily protected. She's being cared for and is safe. I'm not saying she shouldn't want more information on these people, but she's acting as if they took away her rights.

Hasn't the Governor told them they could walk right off with their weapons? He even said he was surprised (probably not really) they were still at the town.

The worst thing is no matter what, she will seem right because we already know the Governor is evil in some way. It just work that way. But something tells me Michonne would act just the same in Herschel's farm and that's where I think she's wrong to simply not see when she's receiving care.


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[JBH3]

I don't see the issue with the weapons. Michonne is walking around not trusting the people that took her in and the first thing she demands is her weapon. I wouldn't give her a weapon either. Why does she need it?

In all honestly, as the governor of a town, why does Michonne need a weapon? What she should do is ask for her weapon so she can defend the wall with the rest of them. Since she doesn't offer any solid reason for a weapon, the governor can only assume she means to use it to kill him.

Realistically speaking, Michonne has no reason to act the way she's acting.

They didn't happily invite Michonne and Andrea, they held them at gunpoint and basically took their weapons, then blindfolded them and are basically holding them against their will.

If they did not have an ulterior motive then they would immediately let them go.

Michonne is a survivor, we know that because she used the zombies to her advantage and does not need anyones help to survive. What the Governor is selling, she's not buying.

Andrea on the other hand is weak and someone who wanted to off herself, she needs to be a part of something, she is not self-sufficient like Michonne so she's been lured in it seems to the "hope" of Woodbury.

[CMH]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

They didn't happily invite Michonne and Andrea, they held them at gunpoint and basically took their weapons, then blindfolded them and are basically holding them against their will.

If they did not have an ulterior motive then they would immediately let them go.

Michonne is a survivor, we know that because she used the zombies to her advantage and does not need anyones help to survive. What the Governor is selling, she's not buying.

Andrea on the other hand is weak and someone who wanted to off herself, she needs to be a part of something, she is not self-sufficient like Michonne so she's been lured in it seems to the "hope" of Woodbury.

They aren't holding them against their will. Show me where they did that and I'd agree. Governor has repeatedly told them they can leave whenever they want.

They are in his town so they live by his rules. Why should he give them a weapon just because they ask for it?

And, last I checked, it was Michonne who drew her weapon first until a gun was pointed at her head. Kind of hard to feel someone is welcoming to your arrival when their first action is to take out their sword on approach.

Not buying it. Michonne has no reason to act the way she's acting. I don't care how much of a survivor she is. I understand the show wants to show us how smart she is because she just knows this guy is bad, but realistically, she has zero reason to be upset she's safe and isn't being given a weapon.

[Beantown]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

but realistically, she has zero reason to be upset she's safe and isn't being given a weapon.

Realistically, she doesn't trust them. For her (and for many other people), that's more than enough reason to be upset that she's not being given her weapon. She doesn't trust the people who brought her to this place and took, what seems to be her only prized possession. They've asked for their weapons (at breakfast, for instance), and the Governor changed the subject and moved on.

She knows that this 'safety' isn't what it seems, and that's more than enough reason to be upset that she doesn't have the one thing that makes her feel safe.

[CMH]

Realistically, she doesn't trust them. For her (and for many other people), that's more than enough reason to be upset that she's not being given her weapon. She doesn't trust the people who brought her to this place and took, what seems to be her only prized possession. They've asked for their weapons (at breakfast, for instance), and the Governor changed the subject and moved on.

She knows that this 'safety' isn't what it seems, and that's more than enough reason to be upset that she doesn't have the one thing that makes her feel safe.

I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm not upset she doesn't trust them. It's human. I'm saying I don't buy that she should automatically not trust them just because we know she shouldn't.


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[CMH]

I will elaborate.

The show is leading us to a point where Michonne will save Andrea from the evil Governor. In the meantime it is going to want us to believe that Michonne is capable of doing so because she's smarter, battle tested, experienced, wise. Choose an adjective. It wants us to rah rah for her. See her as an asset to the main group which she will ultimately meet and need to gain the trust.

This is painfully obvious. This is my issue.

Showing Michonne controlling zombies and keeping Andrea safe through sickness is already enough reason to see her as an asset. The audience already knows. You guys have pointed it out.

But the show is artificially creating audience approval with a storyline that shows us how capable she is.

Why? Someone explain what purpose there is in having Michonne be skeptical and ultimately be right? The answer is gonna be: to show us she's an asset to the team. Yet we already know that.

So her behavior right now is waste. Their story is waste. Maybe it will lead to an awesome confrontation (cool!) but the getting there is empty. We will learn nothing as an audience.

Also skepticism is not a character development tool. It's weak. It's a audience captivating tool. It's so we can miss how empty this plot is because we will be too busy observing how smart Michonne is.

I don't buy her behavior. It's artificial. Give me real background, a real scenario to explain who she is. This entire plot is going to teach us little else about her.


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[jeremym480]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

I completely agree CMH.

Right now there's not much reason for her to be acting the way she is. I'm not saying that she shouldn't be cautious and have questions; but for her to so quickly want out of (what appears to be) the apparent safety of Woodbury when the world has no safety at all is crazy to me.

Having no sword, a bed to sleep in and a guarded, gated community > a sword, no safety/protection at all.

I get that she's lasted the entire winter with just her and Andrea, but one would think that maybe she would want a peaceful night's rest for at least a few days.

[CMH]

I completely agree CMH.

Right now there's not much reason for her to be acting the way she is. I'm not saying that she shouldn't be cautious and have questions; but for her to so quickly want out of (what appears to be) the apparent safety of Woodbury when the world has no safety at all is crazy to me.

Having no sword, a bed to sleep in and a guarded, gated community > a sword, no safety/protection at all.

I get that she's lasted the entire winter with just her and Andrea, but one would think that maybe she would want a peaceful night's rest for at least a few days.

But the reason the show won't let her be at ease is because she will be Andrea. And nothing is more boring than two characters playing the same character. So Michonne is the opposite of Andrea. Classic story telling. I get that move.

It's just that there is very little basis for Michonne to take the opposite approach unless you want to show us that its a relief she is such a hardened warrior because its going to benefit the both of them.

I don't see how any of that is gonna be news to anyone that watches the show. And these types of scenarios is exactly why characters like Andrea get called stupid by the audience. They are written to be really stupid so we can see how much smarter their opposite is.

Yet we already know Michonne is smart. And we probably already get that Andrea isn't the brightest bulb. So now you're telling me we are gonna spend a season seeing more of that?

This is unlike Rick and his development. His development has been great and it's why the prison scenes are so much better when he's around. But leave us with Lori and the audience sighs because she's another character that has gained little in development and we are tired of her same lines/approach.

I guarantee you, give it a couple episodes and people are gonna ask why Michonne doesn't just smile. Someone's wife already did.


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[JBH3]

They aren't holding them against their will. Show me where they did that and I'd agree. Governor has repeatedly told them they can leave whenever they want.

They are in his town so they live by his rules. Why should he give them a weapon just because they ask for it?

And, last I checked, it was Michonne who drew her weapon first until a gun was pointed at her head. Kind of hard to feel someone is welcoming to your arrival when their first action is to take out their sword on approach.

Not buying it. Michonne has no reason to act the way she's acting. I don't care how much of a survivor she is. I understand the show wants to show us how smart she is because she just knows this guy is bad, but realistically, she has zero reason to be upset she's safe and isn't being given a weapon.

She has every reason to be upset. She has no one to trust, and as Andrea said Michonne really never opened up to her either. I think Michonne just has a sense that this is too good to be true, and that something is not right. The only reason she is still there is because of Andrea's condition I believe.

The Governor may have his rules, but when he starts deciding who can and cannot carry arms that's where my guard would go up.

He doesn't trust me, but he is forcing me to trust him by not letting me have my weapon?

Nah....if I am someone like Michonne, out in the wilderness on my own, making my way through the now wretched world w/ a kitana and two walkers, I don't need the Governor for nothing.

If it is somewhere I do not want to be and do not feel safe, then I would take a hike too.

Its the devil I know versus the devil I don't know.


Michonne knows how to deal w/ the walker threat.....

[Knight165]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

I was with you until the past part. We don't know anything about Michoone or what she's been through to make her so jaded about new people. One thing that shows up in the series more often than not is that nothing is as it seems. She wants her sword back so she can defend herself if she has to. They are in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. Any moment can be your last.

Additionally, why does she have to trust that these people don't have alterior motives for taking them in? In a world where resources are low what does she owe them now that they, what's seems like forcefully, took them into their camp and had them locked in a room with 4 guards. Andrea hasn't seen the worst part in people so she is green as a leaf. But Michonnes isn't so easy fooled as her guard is always up for reasons we don't know; from her personal experience.

I mean we see what the governor is capable of as audience members. Why would we say Michonnes is being unreasonable in her skepticism when in fact we know things aren't as they seem? I wouldn't be surprised if Andrea and Michonne are trapped and won't be allowed to leave. The governor is obviously milking them for information on other camps, specifically Ricks, not that they know anything about ricks camp. So surely the governor can't allow them to leave and squeal on their location right?

I'm on team skeptisim from the start. You can't trust anybody new. The show has stressed this from day one.

You mean like the two new females in town?
(don't forget...we have the omnipresent vision of knowing what's going on ...on all sides)

M.K.
Knight165

[CMH]

You mean like the two new females in town?
(don't forget...we have the omnipresent vision of knowing what's going on ...on all sides)

M.K.
Knight165

Exactly. They shouldn't trust them but we expect they are being unreasonable not to trust her? With a sword mind you.

I have no problem with her not trusting them but the arguments for her being right not to are based on what we know and ignoring that the other side has "thoughts" too.

Anyway my point isn't to ruin the enjoyment or be right. I'm just trying to point out that we are basing her behavior on things we know and I personally feel the writers want it that way.


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[kingkilla56]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

Im not saying they shouldnt trust them, Im saying you dont know why Michonne doesnt trust them as opposed to Andrea who is open like you think Michonne should be.

Michonne's only comfort is the ability to defend herself and she doesnt have it. That is why she is the way she is right now. These people all have guns and she doesnt know ANY of them. That is enough to be uncomfortable.

I dont know what character development you are expecting in Michonne to happen so fast. In the comics she is dumped on us in a very similar way and takes a while to show other dimensions to herself. Right now the show is showing her skeptic, defensive, and hypersensitive nature to not being in control of things. You owe her more than 2 episodes to see other sides to her.

Guys are quick to jump on her like they were on Lori. You've known Michonne for 2 episodes, we will find out why she is the way she is, and hell maybe we wont. The show has changed things alot so I dont know what will happen really.

[Knight165]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

Im not saying they shouldnt trust them, Im saying you dont know why Michonne doesnt trust them as opposed to Andrea who is open like you think Michonne should be.

Michonne's only comfort is the ability to defend herself and she doesnt have it. That is why she is the way she is right now. These people all have guns and she doesnt know ANY of them. That is enough to be uncomfortable.

I dont know what character development you are expecting in Michonne to happen so fast. In the comics she is dumped on us in a very similar way and takes a while to show other dimensions to herself. Right now the show is showing her skeptic, defensive, and hypersensitive nature to not being in control of things. You owe her more than 2 episodes to see other sides to her.

Guys are quick to jump on her like they were on Lori. You've known Michonne for 2 episodes, we will find out why she is the way she is, and hell maybe we wont. The show has changed things alot so I dont know what will happen really.

Yeah...I guess so...a little anyway.

But she's a bit over the top...

Here...look...

"Look live people!"
"I don't trust live people....I only trust zombies with no arms or lower jaw"



"Eggs?"
"You offerin' me mother****in' eggs you sneaky bastard? I'm gonna stick this fork in your eye in a minute mofo."


"Good morning Michonne!"


Ummm...yeah....take care!

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: The Walking Dead (Season 3)

...and to prove she can smile...and look pretty damn good while doing it too!

..


M.K.
Knight165