Game of Thrones Season 3 (aka A Storm of Swords)

[Sundown2600]

Re: Game of Thrones Season 3 (aka A Storm of Swords)

The addiction is real. You will finish season 1 by tomorrow.

I finished it in one off day. Season 1 is still my favorite

[tanchl]

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The television version is ok; but in my opinion I can't see how GRRM has allowed for this collection of stories to be butchered as they have (except for the obvious reason). After experiencing the book series (I listened to the books while exercising. The narrator Roy Dotrice is amazing, a different voice for each character) first, I then watched the HBO series and was shocked by their differences.

[N51_rob]

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The television version is ok; but in my opinion I can't see how GRRM has allowed for this collection of stories to be butchered as they have (except for the obvious reason). After experiencing the book series (I listened to the books while exercising. The narrator Roy Dotrice is amazing, a different voice for each character) first, I then watched the HBO series and was shocked by their differences.

I had this problem with Season 2 as I had just finished reading the book prior to the season 2 premier. I've decided to stop comparing the TV show to the books and just enjoy them for what they are. There is no budget possible that would allow for a literal word to word translation of the books to the screen. So the producers trim and clip what they must to make things fit a budget while moving the story, even though I don't understand some minor changes, like Theon's sisters name. It leads me to enjoying the show for what it is, rather than being upset that it isn't the books.

[DonkeyJote]

While there are differences, "butchering" is way too strong of a term. What few changes they've made were pretty necessary.

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[Steven20]

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even though I don't understand some minor changes, like Theon's sisters name.

They were worried people would get the names Asha and Osha confused.

[tanchl]

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In my opinion, it is "butchering", but if "butchering" is too harsh of a verb, let's refer to it as significant alterations. These significant alterations are the perceptions I developed after experiencing both versions, heck even GRRM acknowledged the fact that the show is a significant variation of the original. Of course I know that a direct depiction would be impossible unfortunately and I understand that some could accept the paring that would have to take place to accommodate the small screen version, like GRRM, but of course he's being paid millions to accept it.

To support my opinion I will just mention some of those significant alterations that come immediately to mind that I feel really effected the experience that the book version provided:

* Tyrion's relationship to Sansa is no where near amicable.
* Sandor Clegane has not a chivalrous bone his body.
* Doesn't that frickin' Walder Frey know of the rules of hospitality?
* Jamie Lannister lost more than a hand.
* Daenerys is more than a pretty face.

The list could go on and I could elaborate but really there is no need. It is what it is. You can either be unappreciative of the alterations or look at the two as enhancing companions; one a variation of the other. It's all good either way and both are good sources of entertainment.

[VTPack919]

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In my opinion, it is "butchering", but if "butchering" is too harsh of a verb, let's refer to it as significant alterations. These significant alterations are the perceptions I developed after experiencing both versions, heck even GRRM acknowledged the fact that the show is a significant variation of the original. Of course I know that a direct depiction would be impossible unfortunately and I understand that some could accept the paring that would have to take place to accommodate the small screen version, like GRRM, but of course he's being paid millions to accept it.

To support my opinion I will just mention some of those significant alterations that come immediately to mind that I feel really effected the experience that the book version provided:

* Tyrion's relationship to Sansa is no where near amicable.
* Sandor Clegane has not a chivalrous bone his body.
* Doesn't that frickin' Walder Frey know of the rules of hospitality?
* Jamie Lannister lost more than a hand.
* Daenerys is more than a pretty face.

The list could go on and I could elaborate but really there is no need. It is what it is. You can either be unappreciative of the alterations or look at the two as enhancing companions; one a variation of the other. It's all good either way and both are good sources of entertainment.

I think they illustrated that well enough considering they only have a fraction of an hour each week to devote to specific characters.

[tanchl]

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I think they illustrated that well enough considering they only have a fraction of an hour each week to devote to specific characters.

Obviously.

[DonkeyJote]

In my opinion, it is "butchering", but if "butchering" is too harsh of a verb, let's refer to it as significant alterations. These significant alterations are the perceptions I developed after experiencing both versions, heck even GRRM acknowledged the fact that the show is a significant variation of the original. Of course I know that a direct depiction would be impossible unfortunately and I understand that some could accept the paring that would have to take place to accommodate the small screen version, like GRRM, but of course he's being paid millions to accept it.

To support my opinion I will just mention some of those significant alterations that come immediately to mind that I feel really effected the experience that the book version provided:

* Tyrion's relationship to Sansa is no where near amicable.
* Sandor Clegane has not a chivalrous bone his body.
* Doesn't that frickin' Walder Frey know of the rules of hospitality?
* Jamie Lannister lost more than a hand.
* Daenerys is more than a pretty face.

The list could go on and I could elaborate but really there is no need. It is what it is. You can either be unappreciative of the alterations or look at the two as enhancing companions; one a variation of the other. It's all good either way and both are good sources of entertainment.

Tyrion is sympathetic towards Sansa, but you're right, in the book, she hates him. They changed that to keep her from becoming a thoroughly unlikable character.

Clegane not having a chivalrous bone is your perception. I greatly disagree. He steps in on Sansa's behalf many times. He struggles with it, sure, but there are times when he instinctively helps others.

What else did Jaime lose? His hair? That's an insignificant change.

And they've done a wonderful job with Daenerys. They've repeatedly shown how strong and clever she is.

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[N51_rob]

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I actually think that Clegane has been true to his character. He saved Sansa becuase had she been rapped and/or killed. Jamie's life would be over, and at the time she was still Joffrey's betrothed. He wasn't saving anyone else in that situation. As far as Arya.

Spoiler

In the book he saved her in hopes of ransoming her to the Blackfish at River run, and then to Lady Lysa. Nothing more nothings less IMO.

[tanchl]

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I actually think that Clegane has been true to his character. He saved Sansa becuase had she been rapped and/or killed. Jamie's life would be over, and at the time she was still Joffrey's betrothed. He wasn't saving anyone else in that situation. As far as Arya.

Spoiler

In the book he saved her in hopes of ransoming her to the Blackfish at River run, and then to Lady Lysa. Nothing more nothings less IMO.

What you mention is pretty much to which I was referring as far as Arya was concerned.

Spoiler

If memory serves me correctly, in the book she is knocked out and you are left with the feeling she too was an indirect victim of the RW. The show has her waking up and being protectively taken away by Clegane.

You are right, he did show something for Sansa in a way, but he did show cruelty to her as well.

As far as Jamie, you'll see what I mean later.

Yes, the show does show Daenerys's strength and cleverness, but doesn't show her vulnerableness like the book.

[DonkeyJote]

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What you mention is pretty much to which I was referring as far as Arya was concerned.

Spoiler

If memory serves me correctly, in the book she is knocked out and you are left with the feeling she too was an indirect victim of the RW. The show has her waking up and being protectively taken away by Clegane.

You are right, he did show something for Sansa in a way, but he did show cruelty to her as well.

As far as Jamie, the loss of his hand was the loss of his "mojo". The book really shows how he sank into despair and doubted everything he once was.

Spoiler

In the book, without his sword hand, he wasn't the knight he once was, unable to use force to get his way. He could no longer make people tremble by his presence. Ultimately, it leads to his falling out with Cersei. She eventually loathes him because she no longer respects him and only calls upon him in her most desperate moment. Hope that wasn't a spoiler for you, that happened even later, AFFC I'm thinking. I am at the point where all 5 stories have blended into one.

Yes, the show does show Daenerys's strength and cleverness, but doesn't show her vulnerableness like the book.

Spoiler

For Jaime, that has happened to a degree. His asskicking when he tried to escape fighting lefthanded was followed by a lot of despair. But the real loss of "mojo" is yet to come.

[Sundown2600]

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I can understand the book snobery regarding Ice and Fire because I was the same way when it came to Frank Herbert's classic Dune saga, always comparing the movie and mini series to the books. At some point as mentioned before you have to seperate the two.

[VTPack919]

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Obviously.

Okay....

Care to elaborate on why you are complaining about it then? What do you expect?

[tanchl]

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Okay....

Care to elaborate on why you are complaining about it then? What do you expect?

Wasn't complaining just commenting and attempting to engage in an intelligent conversation. It is true, you have to look at each version as two separate pieces of work, can't argue that at all. I was commenting from the perspective of simply looking at what was created from the books and comparing to what is depicted from the show, it is a tad disappointing...but looping around, they really aren't the same thing, but they are...

Wow, this became a little more abstract and complicated than I truly intended.

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Donkey, you're right. I was thinking of this late after posting, it does come later and I wish I would have said, "And you'll soon find out what I mean about Jamie" or something like that. I apologize for dropping anything, a spoiler within spoiler tag would have been handy.