The Walking Dead (Season 4)

[zanner]

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Count me in as one starting to feel meh about watching live . I just assume DVR the series now and read the board to see if it's even worth watching.

I don't know why Darryl and Beth needed developing the way it happened in the show. I've watched the series, and nothing each of them revealed was mind blowing to me.. they are who I thought they were. So with that said I found the episode annoying especially with Darryl's outburst seeming very out of place and forced into the episode somewhere. Then Beth needing a drink? And first time she drinks in her life she downs basically a jar of moonshine in the episode and can still walk straight and speak coherently? That's just shoddy. And, to me the episode seemed all forced with no real substance other than maybe the last minute.



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[WWF80sKid]

The Walking Dead (Season 4)

I figured it would lead to them having sex.

I didn't have any interest in Daryl getting with Carol. And I have no interest in seeing Daryl get with Beth.

I thought the outburst was fine, kinda like he was a 'mad drunk'.

I agree with zanner, at one point I thought, "wouldn't she be slurring words, falling over, or throwing up by now?"

[jmillhimes]

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The one thing everyone complains about is the zombies..Remember, the zombies are always a back drop!! Its never been just about the zombies. The Walking dead focuses on peoples actions and beliefs after the world has gone to ****. The zombies are always a danger but the real danger are the people who have lost all beliefs in Civilization and have reverted to KIll or be Killed beliefs.

As for this episode, I liked the character development from Beth. Next episode shows her holding Darryls hand. She says he will be the last man standing. To me, she will likely be the next one killed. I think this is all building up to the

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Safe Zone

[WWF80sKid]

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I really don't want to see Beth die.

About the zombies: the other thing is everyone wants the zombies to be as shocking and crazy as season one. We're used to them now. It'll never be the same.

[Dogslax41]

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The one thing everyone complains about is the zombies..Remember, the zombies are always a back drop!! Its never been just about the zombies. The Walking dead focuses on peoples actions and beliefs after the world has gone to ****. The zombies are always a danger but the real danger are the people who have lost all beliefs in Civilization and have reverted to KIll or be Killed beliefs.

As for this episode, I liked the character development from Beth. Next episode shows her holding Darryls hand. She says he will be the last man standing. To me, she will likely be the next one killed. I think this is all building up to the

Spoiler

Safe Zone

The problem is the Zombies have to be the driving factor that causes those changes to humanity. The way the show is presenting them now, they are no longer a serious threat and are depicted as more of a nuisance than anything else. They have to be a constant serious threat that forces people to be on guard with heightened sense 24/7 because they are constantly under unrelenting danger. That is the psychological drain that causes that break in humanity. I was fine with the lull in danger at the prison, that time was supposed to dull their sense and lead to an increase in complacency that would cause even greater problems later. Problem is they haven't ratcheted up the threat at all (until the trunk scene last night). The tensest moment since they left the prison before that was when Lizzie had Judith.

The effect of the zombies has to parallel that of combat on soldiers but for a much more prolonged period. More specifically it needs to be akin to the bombing campaigns of WWI, which were not necessarily designed to inflict physical damage, but were designed as constant bombardments to break the will of the opposition because most people can not function when placed under constant unrelenting stress. And people react many different ways to those situations. There has to be a driving force to cause people to revert to primitive behavior. The shocking changes to people don't just happen because there is no order. Those individuals that revert to raiding just because there is no law were going to do so anyway. That's not shocking. The shocking transformations are the ones that involve constant degrading of individuals that have always been good people. Basically the reverse of Daryl's character.

The zombies just don't provide that anymore. Look at last night, the writers start off with a fantastic scene in the trunk of the car that is tense and forces Daryl to have his weapon at the ready all night and begins showing the effect of this constant threat that just begins to drive people insane. Then the writers blow it by showing some survival scenes and transition to them putting up a rope with some scrap metal on it and sit down like they don't have a care in the world. Ultimately having them hole up in a SHANTY that they apparently treat like Fort Knox and hang out and get drunk.

It's poor writing and a lack of direction and its had the effect of turning the show into a soap opera rather than a show about survival in an apocalypse setting and the effect of that struggle on the human psyche.

[WWF80sKid]

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I'll admit, the show is a lot more drama between characters now than zombies.

However, if a zombie apocalypse actually happened and some people made it through three or four years, killing zombies daily and surviving, it would get a little easier.

It would get to the point where it was more a chore than a crazy life threatening thing, unless you encountered a herd of them.

[Dogslax41]

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I'll admit, the show is a lot more drama between characters now than zombies.

However, if a zombie apocalypse actually happened and some people made it through three or four years, killing zombies daily and surviving, it would get a little easier.

It would get to the point where it was more a chore than a crazy life threatening thing, unless you encountered a herd of them.

That's the issue. By now there would be more hordes. Theoretically zombies have a primitive instinct to feed that drives them toward food and that is the only driving force to their actions. As the years have progressed they would have naturally merged together on the same paths and the large hordes would be more effective at feeding and staying alive by overwhelming their victims. Just as survival of the fittest applies to survivors, it applies to the zombies as well. The majority of the zombies that are left would have to still be alive for some reason. It's certainly not because they stay hidden and have just happened to have survived this long.

Groups of 3-4 would be the abnormality, not the larger groups of zombies. Even when the show depicts a horde it's usually only a couple hundred. By this point there would be hordes of thousands of them moving in mass. But usually the show has reverted to showing 1 - 4 attacking in isolation and they are dispatched easily.

[jmillhimes]

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That's the issue. By now there would be more hordes. Theoretically zombies have a primitive instinct to feed that drives them toward food and that is the only driving force to their actions. As the years have progressed they would have naturally merged together on the same paths and the large hordes would be more effective at feeding and staying alive by overwhelming their victims. Just as survival of the fittest applies to survivors, it applies to the zombies as well. The majority of the zombies that are left would have to still be alive for some reason. It's certainly not because they stay hidden and have just happened to have survived this long.

Groups of 3-4 would be the abnormality, not the larger groups of zombies. Even when the show depicts a horde it's usually only a couple hundred. By this point there would be hordes of thousands of them moving in mass. But usually the show has reverted to showing 1 - 4 attacking in isolation and they are dispatched easily.

I do agree with you on this point. I dont understand the horde status and there appearance. How many Zombies showed up in 5 minutes of fighting at the Prison???? Yet they whole time rick and Co lived there You would get maybe 20 at a time were trying to get in. Samething with Darryl and Beth last night. House goes up in smoke and here they come. Darryl and Beth are sitting on the front porch talking and nothing can hear them?? Thats one thing that does burst my bubble about the show .

[jmillhimes]

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WOW.

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Access Hollywood is reporting TODAY that Robert Kirkman and others in the Walking dead camp are speaking with None other then Henry Rollinsto play Negan is the upcoming season of Walking dead.

Just speaking on this today. I just feel he may be to old for this

[BDKiiing]

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WOW.

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Access Hollywood is reporting TODAY that Robert Kirkman and others in the Walking dead camp are speaking with None other then Henry Rollinsto play Negan is the upcoming season of Walking dead.

Just speaking on this today. I just feel he may be to old for this

With dark hair I really see the resemblance.

[LionsFanNJ]

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They really gonna jump to that story already? That's seriously skipping over half the comics

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[jmillhimes]

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They really gonna jump to that story already? That's seriously skipping over half the comics

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They hinted at his appearance midway through Season 5

[zanner]

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I'll admit, the show is a lot more drama between characters now than zombies.

However, if a zombie apocalypse actually happened and some people made it through three or four years, killing zombies daily and surviving, it would get a little easier.

It would get to the point where it was more a chore than a crazy life threatening thing, unless you encountered a herd of them.

I have no problems with drama and character interactions over zombie shoot em ups. For me the issue is that especially since this season has begun the drama/storytelling is getting weaker, more rushed/forced, and poorer comparatively. So after three seasons into this season especially I'm beginning to have the same attitude towards the show as the characters have with zombies - becoming indifferent. I hope it picks back up to where I don't feel like I watched an hours worth of people not doing or saying much of anything of substance.

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[JODYE]

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Ehh. This show is running it's course.

There are just too many liberties being taken with character behavior and the intelligence of zombies now, it's like, what is the point?

[Bmore Irish]

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Lol, all the zombie logic and hypotheticals.

I really loved the opening scene with them having to hideout in the trunk to escape the massive horde, it was definitely intense, and I thought it was a nice juxtaposition of how much more dangerous and difficult it is being out on your own with minimal weaponry, as opposed to the safety and security of the prison/large groups of previous seasons.

That scene was a great opening and definitely got me excited, that being said, the rest of the episode didn't live up to expectations for me. I'm gonna watch it again, but it didn't make sense to me that Beth all of the sudden was hellbent on risking her life for her first drink, especially given everything going on.

I think the character development they did with Beth and Daryl was ok, but some of the things they were doing in the episode had me shaking my head; maybe that was intentional though, like even the the grittiest survivors are only human and have lapses in judgement.