Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

[LambertandHam]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Yeah, that would be the type of person ISPs are targetting. That is a lot of data usage in a month (i dont think you can argue otherwise). I downloaded my entire steam library in a month and it totaled well over 500gb. I was certainly abusing their bandwidth and if they had throttled me, I'd have been fine with that..for the remainder of the month. Month to month, my normal usage is well under 100GB. I'm not a heavy user though. If 500gb is a normal usage for you, I have to assume you have multiple users in one house hold streaming video and/or doing some serious downloading. If thats just you..wtf are you doing?!

So what are possible solutions?
a) Allow multiple modems per house (usually frowned upon)
b) require a user to log in and then log usage per user (seems annoying/intrusive).
Or
c) force cable companys to upgrade thier infrastructure with all the money they're making so there dont need to be caps (requires investment of infrastructure, not cheap).

Personally, I favor C.

I've been doing A. since we had Adelphia here. There is no way you're going to stay under a 250GB cap with five people in a house playing games, watching Netflix/Youtube, and normal usage. I have friends in South Korea and Japan that get amazing speeds for decent to low prices, but they're relatively small areas to wire compared to the bulk of the US.

[Burns11]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

yeah which is why they aren't enforcing it, they can tell the difference, its just that the reporting of it can't .. they know the IPs of where the TV comes from

Actually, they don't know the IPs of your boxes, they are dynamically leased from the same pool that every other device gets IPs from. So, to the VRAD, your DVR box looks the same as your PC or PS4. All it can tell is that a device on the router at your IP is pulling data. They can do some correlation assumptions and probably get it right, but they can't get it right enough to enforce.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

How do streaming companies typically compensate ISPs?

This is another reason why I prefer physical media over streaming/digital.

[ubernoob]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

If 500gb is a normal usage for you, I have to assume you have multiple users in one house hold streaming video and/or doing some serious downloading. If thats just you..wtf are you doing?!

It's my fiancee and I.

Steam patches (and lots of game rotation), streaming daily (to twitch and services like that) and we don't watch TV much at all since nearly everything we watch is through a streaming service (Crunchyroll, Netflix, WWE.)

I pay close to $100 a month for my internet. They can **** themselves if they think capping/charging extra is the route to go.

I'm fine with them offering bill credits to users who don't use as much and stay under a certain bandwidth usage per month, but to charge people for going over when our internet infrastructure in the US is the joke it is would be laughable.

[p_rushing]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Actually, they don't know the IPs of your boxes, they are dynamically leased from the same pool that every other device gets IPs from. So, to the VRAD, your DVR box looks the same as your PC or PS4. All it can tell is that a device on the router at your IP is pulling data. They can do some correlation assumptions and probably get it right, but they can't get it right enough to enforce.

its not your IP, its their IPs that they know, they know what the IPs that they send the TV signal to you are

[Burns11]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

its not your IP, its their IPs that they know, they know what the IPs that they send the TV signal to you are

ATT only owns one IP that is assigned to you, everything else gets a dynamically (or not, since you can give static IP to all your devices in the router) set IP from a range you set. All ATT knows is that x amount of data went to you, they don't know what type of device gets that data.

[p_rushing]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

ATT only owns one IP that is assigned to you, everything else gets a dynamically (or not, since you can give static IP to all your devices in the router) set IP from a range you set. All ATT knows is that x amount of data went to you, they don't know what type of device gets that data.

ATT knows what their IPs are, meaning ATT has X amount of servers that send TV signal to your RG. It doesn't matter what your IP address is or how many computers you have hooked up.

They know that IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx sent you 100GBs, if that is one of their IPs used for their server to provide TV, then that is TV and not your internet usage. Again forget about your IP and focus on the origination IP. If ATT uses that for TV, it is easy to filter out TV. Now in the reporting it isn't broken out, but I'm sure it is internally to ATT.

[Burns11]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

ATT knows what their IPs are, meaning ATT has X amount of servers that send TV signal to your RG. It doesn't matter what your IP address is or how many computers you have hooked up.

They know that IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx sent you 100GBs, if that is one of their IPs used for their server to provide TV, then that is TV and not your internet usage. Again forget about your IP and focus on the origination IP. If ATT uses that for TV, it is easy to filter out TV. Now in the reporting it isn't broken out, but I'm sure it is internally to ATT.

Uverse isn't set up like that. OnDemand is unicast, meaning server sends a signal direct to you intended for you. TV is multicast, headend sends one signal that is routed at each spot on the network to whomever needs it. If you turn the TV to ESPN and your neighbor is already watching ESPN, the headend server will never know, then only spot that could know is the local VRAD, which isn't designed to log categorized data usage.

[UWfan206]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Comcast's caps are suspended.

This is a low usage month for us (like... 2/3 of what we normally use if not a bit less.) If they ever bring them back, I'm telling them exactly where they can stick it.

Wait there is no DL limit with comcast now?

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Seems like it's a counter to people who are dropping the overpriced cable TV services.

[LambertandHam]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Wait there is no DL limit with comcast now?

The cap is supposedly "suspended", but they'll still call you if you're a "heavy user", depending on area.

[ubernoob]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

The cap is supposedly "suspended", but they'll still call you if you're a "heavy user", depending on area.

Nailed it.

We've been over a TB of bandwidth before though multiple months in a row and no call from them ever, so take that for what it's worth.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Seems like it's a counter to people who are dropping the overpriced cable TV services.

I think more and more people (particularly younger consumers) are shifting from traditionally based cable/sat TV to streaming/internet-connected services like Netflix, Hulu, etc.

No matter your set-up, though, Comcast is getting paid.

[LambertandHam]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Nailed it.

We've been over a TB of bandwidth before though multiple months in a row and no call from them ever, so take that for what it's worth.

I wish they made it a blanket standard. A "if you're this much over the cap/at this data amount" bit, but the people on DSLreports say it varies area by area. It would take the guess work out when some months have more usage than others with games coming out, new movies, or etc.

[LionsFanNJ]

Re: Verizon going to charge Gamers more money for their bandwidth

Man I swear the internet is becoming a private business only available for the elite.

In the US anyway.

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