Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[Blzer]

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Good, I'll be happy to say that I'm picking it up then.

Did you see the new cut yet, mestevo?

[mestevo]

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I've got 40 or so minutes left (just past 'Maaarrrtha') but I'm headed to bed.

I like all the additions, it's just such a long movie.

[The JareBear]

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I'm watching the UE and just noticed that Martha Wayne is played by the actress who plays Maggie in TWD. Not sure how I missed that

[tdawg3782]

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I'm watching the UE and just noticed that Martha Wayne is played by the actress who plays Maggie in TWD. Not sure how I missed that

Not just that but Thomas Wayne is played by Neegan from TWD. Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

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[The JareBear]

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Not just that but Thomas Wayne is played by Neegan from TWD. Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

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Hey oh!

I didn't even make that connection!

I was thinking it's another Snyderverse guy, connecting him to his role in Watchmen, totelly brain farted on Negan/Magie connection

[The JareBear]

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This is what I originally wrote when I saw the film theatrical cut.

If you haven't seen the movie, don't read this spoiler, and really just skip this post entirely.

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So I kept telling myself this couldn't be that bad. It just couldn't.

Just watched it.

Ouch, man. Ouch.

Is it the worst movie I've ever seen? No. Is it terrible? No. It's bad, in my opinion, but it has some bright spots. Unfortunately for a movie featuring Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, that's just not gonna cut it.

How did this happen? Is Snyder just surrounded by "yes men" or something? Was anyone around to say "yo maybe that's not a good idea," or "for sure lets do a better job with that part." I understand they don't just wanna copy the Avengers but how did this movie happen? I feel like Synder took like 3-4 potential movies and mashed them together into one Frankenstein style combo.

I believe Snyder is a "comic book guy," and I believe he wants to make a good comic book movie. I do appreciate the little touches and references he threw in there to some iconic source material. I just don't think some of these characters are right for him.

They gotta ditch Snyder for Justice League. I don't know if there are contracts in place that makes a move like that impossible or not but I really hope they give the keys to someone else. Honestly, I think Snyder can make a good super hero movie. I actually was, more or less, somewhat satisfied with the Batman side of things. Give him a Batman standalone, or a Punisher movie (I know that's Marvel, but I'm sure he's free to work any company he wants right?), or Deathstroke, something like that, but this isn't the right guy for the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, and other Justice Leaguers. Snyder doesn't do a good job with the personal relationships. At the end of the day I felt very little effort was put into making me care about many of these characters or making me believe many of these characters actually care about each other.

On the plus side, Wonder Woman was cool, Affleck is a fine Batman/Wayne, and, uhhhhhhhh......uhhhhhhh well yeah you got that going for you. The stuff with other meta-humans was cool enough as well. The action was pretty fun even when it didn't make sense.

I guess the thing that pains me the most is knowing that there are things covered in this movie that could have made fine stand-alone movies if done well, and now we won't ever got those things done right in movie format unless they totally scrap this round and reboot again at some point.

Help me Suicide Squad-Kenobi, You're My (and WB's) Only Hope.

Edit:

Watchmen had a directors cut that was much better than the theatrical release, so let's hope we get that here too.

I just watched the Ultimate Edition, and as I expected, it is exponentially a better film. This was a very similar case to Watchmen theatrical vs Watchmen blu-ray director's cut, except the improvements are much more significant in this case.

Another factor in my added enjoyment is I already had seen the movie so things that disappointed me the first time through have already been accepted and filed away in my head.

I think this movie showed WAY too much in the trailer. One of my favorite scenes is when

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Wonder Woman jumps down in front of Batman and blocks Doomsday's blast with her bracers, and her theme music comes on strong and suddenly (her theme song is one of the best parts of the film IMO)

, problem is, that was in the trailer. That would have been a cheer out loud, clap in my seat moment if I had not known it was coming. I think they could have sold the movie just fine with only showing Batman and Superman in the trailers. That's enough for fans.

3 hours is a long time to invest in a movie, however I firmly believe that if this was the version they released in theaters it would have made more money and gotten many more 7's and 8's instead of 4's and 5's.

I really don't have that many issues with this film at this point. Batman, Wonder Woman are awesome, and even Luthor doesn't bother me that much anymore (maybe I have just gotten used to it, it is what it is). My main problem with the cast is Cavill. I have decided I just don't think he is a good actor. I don't think he has very much range. I know he has the look, but I don't think he has the heart and soul of Superman. When he speaks on screen, I just don't believe him. It's flat and empty to me.

Really though, the rest of the cast does a good job in this film and in the UE the story unfolds much more naturally and sensibly. The added touches with Batman are my favorite. I would get specific but it's really some little things that add up for me. Some extra touched in the warehouse fight definitely were cool. Couple easter eggs I noticed this time around that I didn't the first, not sure if it was new scenes tho. Trying to stay spoiler free here. The end of the movie, post-battle, is much better done in the UE.

There's only one thing I still hate about this film, and it will be something that haunts me forever, is the

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Doomsday/Death of Superman arc they throw in there. Why was this in the movie? They could have had Batman and Superman fight, then go save Martha, throw Luthor in jail, BOOM, end of movie, everyone wins. Rest of the Justice League gets teased, yes we wouldn't have gotten WW in action, but it would have been a much better overall movie in my opinion.

Doomsday should have been the first Justice League movie in my opinon, the battle with Doomsday could have been what alerted Darkseid to Earth's power. If you recall, in the comics Doomsday lands and proceeds to beat the living **** out of the Justice League. It's a crime this was thrown into the end of this movie and given the one and done treatment.

This would have led to a great first chapter of Justice League, doing Doomsday properly, giving fans more time to love Superman before his death, making it more profound when it happens. It all feels so WASTED in this film. The Doomsday treatment itself is just...bad. I hate it. To me it is almost as bad as Bane in Batman and Robin.

You could have used Zod's body as a Bizzaro deal, or given Luthor a power suit that he finds in the ship. ANYTHING ELSE.

Imagine if they had done Doomsday right. Film ends after Batman and Superman fight, Luthor behind bars....the camera cuts to the sky and slowly zooms out, it keeps zooming and zooming until finally in deep space we see a rock floating....rotating slowly...we see straps of some sort, an arm and a leg appear, the body with the green suit and mask tied to it, a symbol of death etched on the rock somewhere, camera pans and we see the asteroid headed toward Earth, screen cuts to black, letters appear "DOOMSDAY IS COMING." I think people would have jumped out of their seats and cheered if they did it this way.

Doomsday's true origin is so much cooler than what they give us in this movie. Would have loved seeing it on screen.

I read Death of Superman/Funeral for a friend when I was in 5th grade. I waited for my whole life to see it on the big screen. I didn't used to think I ever would, and now that I have I just feel like it was wasted. Such an iconic moment in comic book history.

But, I digress. It happened, it's over, it's never un-happening, I gotta deal with it. It breaks my heart, but it is what it is

I give the UE a 7. I enjoy it quite a bit.If not for the block I just spoilered I would give it even higher.

Let's see Darkseid, let's see some New Gods, let's see some boom tubes and Mother Box action. I am excited for Justice League.

[Chrisksaint]

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I had hard time remembering what was in the original cut and what wasn't but it seemed flow a lot better, things made a lot more sense. What they actually did do with Doomsday was pretty enjoyable to watch, but I def agree that they could have made an epic movie with just him.

The way they set up Justice League at the end was well done with them finding Lex and the final Batman/Lex scene. Still think the clips of the JL should have been an after credit thing with Alfred all like "I found this and you may be interested


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[Blzer]

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Okay, let me just say the Ultimate Edition flows so much better. It completely eradicates every issue I had with the movie's pacing.

Still not a fan of pretty much everything from the actual fight and onward, and I very much dislike the timing of this film's release (with regard to the universe at play), but because of the UE, I now like this film more than I don't.

Too bad the 3D disc does not have the extended cut.

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I wish the scene with Batman and Lex in the prison cell was an after-credits sequence, and they stuck at the cemetery for the two cuts that sandwiched it. It would have left that "cliffhanger" moment of Bruce saying that he feels the others are going to have to fight because of the moment he had with Lex.

[Smallville102001]

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Can someone tell me what is in the extra 30 minutes on the longer run time version? I saw the movie once in theaters didn't hate it like a lot of people just didn't really like it either. Lex killed the movie for me big time. But I am still wondering what is in the extra 30 minutes and I have heard it is a better version.

[The JareBear]

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Can someone tell me what is in the extra 30 minutes on the longer run time version? I saw the movie once in theaters didn't hate it like a lot of people just didn't really like it either. Lex killed the movie for me big time. But I am still wondering what is in the extra 30 minutes and I have heard it is a better version.

There's a lot of small things that add more context to certain situations.

Here is a website that talks about the additions

http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-ultimate-edition-differences/

I'll try to find other articles that explain it better too

[mestevo]

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A lot of scenes were able to breathe a bit more. Hard to really put my finger on it.

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[tdawg3782]

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There's a lot of small things that add more context to certain situations.

Here is a website that talks about the additions

http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-ultimate-edition-differences/

I'll try to find other articles that explain it better too

A lot of scenes were able to breathe a bit more. Hard to really put my finger on it.

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Both of these. It's funny because the pacing didn't really bother me to much in the original but good god is this light years better in that regard. I just didn't realize how bad it was before. The flow is just so much better. It doesn't feel so crammed and rushed. That I think is the man addition. Not so much content, just a story told more organically.

[Blzer]

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Both of these. It's funny because the pacing didn't really bother me to much in the original but good god is this light years better in that regard. I just didn't realize how bad it was before. The flow is just so much better. It doesn't feel so crammed and rushed. That I think is the man addition. Not so much content, just a story told more organically.

Exactly. I mean it's not like the extended/original cut is filled with six new five-minute scenes or anything like that either. It really mostly is just a couple added lines here and there, and then it completely fleshes out the story arcs that were there before.

Yeah, there are some new characters that are completely introduced that weren't there before (which makes you think it's many different scenes), but they are really only there to help iron out or explain things that were already there to begin with, like Lex's plans or senator building her case. Even Clark's investigative work made me kind of understand his side for hating on Bats. And then there is Africa. Oh goodness, I'm just glad these scenes actually make sense now.

But as I said, everything near the end still falls apart for me. Whether it's the whole "They revealed too much in the trailers," or "The CGI and action choreography didn't work with Snyder's direction," or "He's decimating downtown Metropolis AGAIN," or "Martha this" and "Doomsday that," or most importantly, "Superman, for the love of God please talk to Batman already!!!" there was just way too much crammed stuff that also made me dislike Man of Steel for the most part. See this post I made earlier in the thread:

I did re-watch Man of Steel earlier this evening, and after listening to the Kevin Smith podcast like twenty times since last seeing it, I did grow a much larger appreciation for the film in every scene except any scene that involves combat, and very few that involve flying... sad to say. The rest seemed very enjoyable and well-done compared to the first time I saw it. Still not in love with the first twenty minutes on Krypton, even though I understand why they're necessary.

So far, Snyder is mostly striking out with me in action scenes for the last two films. Marvel did the same thing before the Russo brothers came in. I wasn't even a fan of the action scenes in The Avengers, though Age of Ultron's were at least entertaining for me. But apparently I'm not as invested into these films because of the action that they give, especially when it's a big CGI thing. I get we have to do that for Superman and his enemies, but maybe that's why I'm not as in love with that character.

Anyway, sorry for deviating a bit... you said it best above: this movie now gets to breathe! I'm not feeling like things are needlessly shaved off where I'm caught asking why something happened or why we left the conversation (or heck, why we entered it). The three hours didn't seem to last very long, and strangely enough when I was in theaters I really felt the weight of the 2.5 hours we watched. This one was just better, period.

Again though, sadly, I'm interested in watching the 3D version, but I have no interest in watching the theatrical cut with it. Almost becomes a moot point. I nearly would have taken a 3D version of the extended cut even if the added scenes were in 2D. I probably truly wouldn't have wanted that instead, but now the 3D version is nearly a waste for me.

[The JareBear]

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Yeah, lot of good posts on the Ultimate Edition.

Basically, if there are aspects about the direction the first movie went in that you hated, that won't change. There are things that can't ever be changed now in the Snyderverse and we just have to live with that, I guess.

As far as the flow of the film and fleshing out why certain things are happening and the motivation behind certain actions and whatnot, this UE definitely improves those areas. It's a much better film, in that regard, than the theatrical cut.

I enjoyed watching the UE, and I will probably watch it one or two more times as time goes on. I'll never understand why they did DD the way they did, but it's over and I need to move on. Darkseid time, baby!

[Blzer]

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Basically, if there are aspects about the direction the first movie went in that you hated, that won't change. There are things that can't ever be changed now in the Snyderverse and we just have to live with that, I guess.

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I'll never understand why they did DD the way they did, but it's over and I need to move on. Darkseid time, baby!

There are definitely some things I'll have to live with as well. Most notably, like I said in theaters... what the hell are Gotham and Metropolis doing neighboring each other?? Not only is that a strange decision, but it makes even less sense now that Superman didn't know of Batman's existence this whole time.