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  • kingkilla56
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    • Jun 2009
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    #496
    Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

    I figured Stannis knew he was ****ed once half his goonsquad deserted. Even the Red Priestess knew it was a wrap right then and there. Stannis' ultimate role in the game of thrones was to prove he wasn't Azor Ahai, and to get Melisandre and Jon in the same place at the same time; and to put over Shirtless God Ramsay as the greatest military strategist of all time.

    Im rewatching the series, and in the beginning they put a strong emphasis on loyalty reigning supreme in Winterfell. Where you can conquer it but the lords will disobey and never bend the knee to the conqueror. So how are the Boltons sooo strong in Winterfell? They stress how over and loyal everyone up there is to the Starks. Everyone says "the north remembers". But man it seems like the north is totally comfortable slurping the Boltons who played a part in massacring the Kings of the north for themselves. Do none of the other houses give a crap? Did they all secretly hate the Starks? Do none of the other houses have ambition and want Winterfell for their own? It seems so odd how the Boltons just own the place now with virtually no resistance. I imagine Stannis failing miserably will dissuade any insurrection from the other north houses as well.

    In one of the first episodes Cersai has a big lecture for Jeoffrey about how simply invading and crushing the Starks in Winterfell was a horrific idea. Maybe it would have been easier than she realized.

    And on a similar note, does nobody in the north give a crap that the Freys DECIMATED the Starks while they were under their protection as guests? The Freys have gotten off scott free for that! I need some people to get their just desserts man!!
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    • N51_rob
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      • Jul 2003
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      #497
      Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

      Originally posted by kingkilla56

      Im rewatching the series, and in the beginning they put a strong emphasis on loyalty reigning supreme in Winterfell. Where you can conquer it but the lords will disobey and never bend the knee to the conqueror. So how are the Boltons sooo strong in Winterfell? They stress how over and loyal everyone up there is to the Starks. Everyone says "the north remembers". But man it seems like the north is totally comfortable slurping the Boltons who played a part in massacring the Kings of the north for themselves. Do none of the other houses give a crap? Did they all secretly hate the Starks? Do none of the other houses have ambition and want Winterfell for their own? It seems so odd how the Boltons just own the place now with virtually no resistance. I imagine Stannis failing miserably will dissuade any insurrection from the other north houses as well.

      Another example where the books better explain this. At the Red Wedding many northern lords or their heirs were taken hostage. The message from Tywin was clear. Fall in line and your family members will be kept safe albeit as prisoners, Act out and we'll make them suffer before we kill them.

      Read the books Mark.

      Edit: Also Mark Regarding the Frays and the North.....Book Spoiler

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      • Leon
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        • Mar 2003
        • 4981

        #498
        Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

        Originally posted by N51_rob
        Another example where the books better explain this. At the Red Wedding many northern lords or their heirs were taken hostage. The message from Tywin was clear. Fall in line and your family members will be kept safe albeit as prisoners, Act out and we'll make them suffer before we kill them.

        Read the books Mark.
        Problem with that is that the books don't always line up with the show. In this respect, the show ought to have done a better job of explaining why the other Northern houses don't declare war on the Boltons.

        The Mormonts don't recognize the Boltons as Wardens of the North as witnessed in a previous episode, but the rest we can just deduce from all other past interactions on the show -- none of these Houses really want to go to war with winter arriving and food scarce. We don't know how many of them know about Sansa being in Winterfell (until the jump); most suspect Bran & Rickon are dead except for one house that is hiding Rickon; Jon Snow is out of the running since he's a bastard (and stabbed). So it's all about protecting their own homes first before thinking of the North as a whole.
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        • ASB37
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          • Feb 2003
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          #499
          Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

          Maybe the plan was to let stannis take care of the boltons, and then when he moved on to kings landing one of the other northern houses would step up?

          Only thing I could think of that would justify their position.
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          • N51_rob
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            Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

            Originally posted by Leon
            Problem with that is that the books don't always line up with the show. In this respect, the show ought to have done a better job of explaining why the other Northern houses don't declare war on the Boltons.

            The Mormonts don't recognize the Boltons as Wardens of the North as witnessed in a previous episode, but the rest we can just deduce from all other past interactions on the show -- none of these Houses really want to go to war with winter arriving and food scarce. We don't know how many of them know about Sansa being in Winterfell (until the jump); most suspect Bran & Rickon are dead except for one house that is hiding Rickon; Jon Snow is out of the running since he's a bastard (and stabbed). So it's all about protecting their own homes first before thinking of the North as a whole.

            I agree about the book/show. But Martin does a very good job of laying out a lot of intracate details, that are not always shown on the show. I personally think anyone who enjoys the show will (for atleast the first three) really enjoy the books.
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            • Leon
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              • Mar 2003
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              #501
              Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

              Originally posted by N51_rob
              I agree about the book/show. But Martin does a very good job of laying out a lot of intracate details, that are not always shown on the show. I personally think anyone who enjoys the show will (for atleast the first three) really enjoy the books.
              Fully agree. I've never been the type to read a book after it has been adapted for the screen but this is one series where it is highly recommended to do so. It's so rich in detail that you believe it when Martin said that he made these books to be "unfilmable."
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              • fistofrage
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                #502
                Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                Hard to believe they will wrap this up in 2 seasons. I think those last 2 season will be action packed and full of very interesting developments. But will have to imagine that if the ending seems rushed everyone will be pointing at the Dorne plot line, Arya floor scrubbing and other things from season 5 that ate up way too much screen time.

                I wonder if the show is still contemplating the end game. I hear Martin may even be wavering and may change the books from the original plan.
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                • Beantown
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                  • Feb 2005
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                  #503
                  Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                  Here are the 61 Characters who have died on this show.

                  Obvious spoilers if people haven't caught up.

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                  • Leon
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                    • Mar 2003
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                    #504
                    Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

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                    • Candyman5
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                      #505
                      Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                      So here's my prediction for Sansa. Ramsey tracks her and Theon down and kills Theon and makes Sansa his new Reek in GoT fashion.
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                      • N51_rob
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                        Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                        Originally posted by Candyman5
                        So here's my prediction for Sansa. Ramsey tracks her and Theon down and kills Theon and makes Sansa his new Reek in GoT fashion.
                        He would need her to birth him a male heir before he mutilates her sexual organs....
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                        • kingkilla56
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                          Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                          That would fit the narrative of " **** the starks" so its probably gonna happen.
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                          • Burns11
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                            #508
                            Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                            Originally posted by kingkilla56
                            That would fit the narrative of " **** the starks" so its probably gonna happen.
                            Phrasing! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            • Brandwin
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                              #509
                              Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                              Originally posted by Candyman5
                              So here's my prediction for Sansa. Ramsey tracks her and Theon down and kills Theon and makes Sansa his new Reek in GoT fashion.
                              That would be awesome.

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                              • Leon
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                                • Mar 2003
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                                #510
                                Re: Game of Thrones: Season 5 (aka A Feast for Crows + A Dance with Dragons)

                                I demand a resurrection.

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