Batman: The Killing Joke

[jfsolo]

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Apparently there's some controversy over the film and the added stuff not from the comic. Trying to be as vague as possible.

Honestly I was surprised when I saw the main scene in question, but it didn't really bother me that much. There's an article I just read about the comic con panel getting a little confrontational when the screenwriters were asked about it by the crowd.

I don't wanna say too much or post a link as its spoilers but I'm curious to see what others in here think after seeing the movie

I'm in the crowd that thinks that it's a catastrophically stupid narrative choice. IMO, it's done with the sole purpose of tuning people up. The writers involved in the project have been shown to be excellent storytellers in the past, that they would add this kind of hackneyed plot element is unfortunate.

It has nothing to do things being changed from the graphic novel, it's simply antithetical to the vary nature of these characters.

[mgoblue]

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I'm in the crowd that thinks that it's a catastrophically stupid narrative choice. IMO, it's done with the sole purpose of tuning people up. The writers involved in the project have been shown to be excellent storytellers in the past, that they would add this kind of hackneyed plot element is unfortunate.

It has nothing to do things being changed from the graphic novel, it's simply antithetical to the vary nature of these characters.

I read an article how it's not very nice to Batgirl, making her pine for Batman after a hookup or something....just not very good to a female character, especially with the Killing Joke aspect as well....

[The JareBear]

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I'm in the crowd that thinks that it's a catastrophically stupid narrative choice. IMO, it's done with the sole purpose of tuning people up. The writers involved in the project have been shown to be excellent storytellers in the past, that they would add this kind of hackneyed plot element is unfortunate.

It has nothing to do things being changed from the graphic novel, it's simply antithetical to the vary nature of these characters.

When I saw it I was slightly taken aback at first but I figured that it must have happened in the comics at some point or another (not in TKJ but in other Batman storylines). From what I've read it seems like that may not be the case?

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm going to spoiler just to be safe.

Spoiler

Anyway, I've never agreed with the Batman/Batgirl relationship and I'm not really sure what's up with Dini and that pairing. As far as I remember, he's the one that started this thing back in The Animated Series when he had Barbara and Bruce together and apart of Dick's split from Bruce. It became a creepy thing once Batgirl was reworked in the comics to be closer to Dick's age to make them a couple and everybody else rolled with that even Dini. Batman has MORE than enough women in his life that Batgirl didn't need to get thrown into that when Batman has been treated like the father to all his sidekicks/proteges all this time.

[The JareBear]

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I'm going to spoiler just to be safe.

Spoiler

Anyway, I've never agreed with the Batman/Batgirl relationship and I'm not really sure what's up with Dini and that pairing. As far as I remember, he's the one that started this thing back in The Animated Series when he had Barbara and Bruce together and apart of Dick's split from Bruce. It became a creepy thing once Batgirl was reworked in the comics to be closer to Dick's age to make them a couple and everybody else rolled with that even Dini. Batman has MORE than enough women in his life that Batgirl didn't need to get thrown into that when Batman has been treated like the father to all his sidekicks/proteges all this time.

Gotcha. Thanks for the insight there.

Also, good call on the spoiler.

[jfsolo]

Re: Batman: The Killing Joke

I'm going to spoiler just to be safe.

Spoiler

Anyway, I've never agreed with the Batman/Batgirl relationship and I'm not really sure what's up with Dini and that pairing. As far as I remember, he's the one that started this thing back in The Animated Series when he had Barbara and Bruce together and apart of Dick's split from Bruce. It became a creepy thing once Batgirl was reworked in the comics to be closer to Dick's age to make them a couple and everybody else rolled with that even Dini. Batman has MORE than enough women in his life that Batgirl didn't need to get thrown into that when Batman has been treated like the father to all his sidekicks/proteges all this time.

I'm pretty sure it's Timm who created that narrative in that series, and of course he's the head honcho on this film too.

[The JareBear]

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So yeah, it seems like a lot of reviews I have seen so far say its's at least a good movie overall except for "the scene."

Reading youtube comments and whatnot, lot of vitriol over that choice. Not quite as bad as people going insane over Flash's "blue lightning" (which is just silly, imo).

I dunno. I loved the book and I really liked the movie. That's just me though.