Black Panther (2018)

[Speedy]

Re: Black Panther (2018)

Lol ok. There's nothing wrong with the fights in the first one.

It was a dumb boss fight for an otherwise good movie.

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[Blzer]

Re: Black Panther (2018)

I saw nothing wrong.

I go into movies to turn my brain off, not critique CGI fights.

This is far and away beyond anything we're talking about, despite the fact I have a lot of qualms with modern-day CGI usage in general.

You saw nothing wrong, okay that's fine. Then again, you can't anyway if you "don't critique CGI fights." The next time you state some CGI action scene is "breathtaking" or "jaw-dropping" or something, that will contradict this statement. Remember, critiques can also be positive.

As for myself, the better the movie is, the less the CGI matters (only sometimes can the visual really take stock in how "good" the movie is in general, but that's few and far between I really consider that). In short, I didn't much care for BP1. It is way, way low on my MCU rankings list. Don't think for a second the boss fight CGI was a factor in this... or even if it was, that it dropped it like 15 spots down or something.

[TripleCrown9]

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This is far and away beyond anything we're talking about, despite the fact I have a lot of qualms with modern-day CGI usage in general.

You saw nothing wrong, okay. Then again, you can't anyway if you "don't critique CGI fights." The next time you state some CGI action scene is "breathtaking" or "jaw-dropping" or something, that will contradict this statement. Remember, critiques can also be positive.

As for myself, the better the movie is, the less the CGI matters (only sometimes can the visual really take stock in how "good" the movie is in general, but that's few and far between I really consider that). In short, I didn't much care for BP1. It is way, way low on my MCU rankings list.

Lol fine, let me ****ing rephrase.

I don't go into movies looking to find what the studio did wrong. Therefore, the negatives rarely, if ever, register to me.

[Blzer]

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Lol fine, let me ****ing rephrase.

I don't go into movies looking to find what the studio did wrong. Therefore, the negatives rarely, if ever, register to me.

Fair enough. If you think I'm doing that though, you're mistaken. I can make the same statement.

There are some movies that people like more than others. Some people even go as far as to articulate why that is. When I try and put my finger on it, that might let something show itself then and there. I don't watch a movie thinking about how I'm going to review it, and what I don't like about it.

So if I don't find something jaw-dropping, then I might think more deeply and state whether it's serviceable or not. For some movies, it can be, including Black Panther (I love the car chase sequence, both visually and as an action scene, for example). Moments like the final boss fight, however, were a big mess for me. It wasn't just that "it looked unrealistic." I felt nothing in the fight. It was generic. The MCU is riddled with these in a lot of the solo films, BP isn't the only one that has it.

Anyway, I like the character and look forward to the sequel (admittedly not as much as others). The first film didn't do it for me, though.

[BDKiiing]

Black Panther (2018)

Fair enough. If you think I'm doing that though, you're mistaken. I can make the same statement.

There are some movies that people like more than others. Some people even go as far as to articulate why that is. When I try and put my finger on it, that might let something show itself then and there. I don't watch a movie thinking about how I'm going to review it, and what I don't like about it.

So if I don't find something jaw-dropping, then I might think more deeply and state whether it's serviceable or not. For some movies, it can be, including Black Panther (I love the car chase sequence, both visually and as an action scene, for example). Moments like the final boss fight, however, were a big mess for me. It wasn't just that "it looked unrealistic." I felt nothing in the fight. It was generic. The MCU is riddled with these in a lot of the solo films, BP isn't the only one that has it.

Anyway, I like the character and look forward to the sequel (admittedly not as much as others). The first film didn't do it for me, though.

Nah bro. Every last review of yours seems like you go into it to nitpick the movie. The final fight looked “unrealistic”? It’s a ****ing comic book movie. Black Panther was damn near flawless. End of story.

[Blzer]

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Please let it be known that I wasn't the first or second person to place an opinion, indifferent or otherwise, in this conversation. Not only that, but my first contribution about it literally came from an objective stance.

Nah bro. Every last review of yours seems like you go into it to nitpick the movie.

What you call nitpicking, I call specifying. Regardless, I don't go into a movie trying to find what's wrong with it. And for those who do, so what? Are we better than them or something? Anyway, save for a different conversation.

The final fight looked “unrealistic”? It’s a ****ing comic book movie.

Do you see me critiquing the final fight in Avengers: Endgame? That's the most unrealistic **** I've ever seen.

I also just got done watching Alita: Battle Angel. Movie was alright, but the fight scenes were fantastic. CGI wasn't magnificent and everything about that was so sci-fi that it is twentyfold more unrealistic compared to any single moment seen in BP.

This has nothing to do with "unrealistic." It has to do with the way the CGI intertwines with the story that I'm watching and the emotional impact I'm left with watching it. I cared very little for what I was watching in that moment, and I wanted to. No, I didn't go into Black Panther "wanting to nitpick it." I heard nothing but amazing things about it and was more than happy to spend money on it.

By the way, have you seen me leave impressions lately? I don't really do it as often anymore, but I'm seeing a bunch of movies. Also, hasn't it ever occurred to anybody that the movies people love could be chalked up to avoid doing bad things that other films do, and movies that people dislike could be chalked up to not doing enough good things that other films do? A lot of my critiques come into form that they don't deliver on fronts that other movies are able to do well. I'm not looking for them, but in those cases there isn't anything to see, and I make note of it.

If TC9 wants to say he saw nothing wrong with the CGI in Black Panther, that is fine. If he's not "looking for it" though, then he'll never see it anyway. That means that movies can't have bad CGI in his mind. I do assume however that some movies can have good CGI in his mind, and if he wants to note it then I also assume that he will. If he doesn't say that about a movie with CGI though, there may be reasons as to why, and if he wants to articulate that then he has the floor. I make use of that. Again, you call that nitpicking... I'm simply rationalizing. I'm making sense of what I saw.

Black Panther was damn near flawless. End of story.

This is opinion, so it's not "end of story." Just like it's not okay either for me to say: "Black Panther was very damn flawed, end of story." It can be my opinion, but I can't close the discussion on that. Imagine someone making a similar flawless claim about From Justin to Kelly.

I love cinema and am passionate about the work done to make movies happen, maybe that's what you're seeing put into words when I leave impressions about films. Films are a medium that I connect with on such an emotional level when the makers are able to make that happen, and I am very appreciative of them when they do. I can't say that the boss battle did that for me on BP.

You seem to think I'm looking for everything that's wrong, and that couldn't be further from the truth. And even if it was, so what? That is a totally okay way to experience art, professionally or not.

I'm fine finishing the conversation though since talk should probably be geared more now toward BP2, but I'd much prefer not having certain words put in my mouth or thoughts about how I approach something be completely misconstrued.

[mestevo]

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I'm not a fan of outright nitpicking, but BP did have some easily seen flaws. One of my favorite channels covered some of this if you'd like to know technically why it seemed off. Didn't really detract from it being one of the best MCU films to date.

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[daflyboys]

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That was interesting.... explains why I've always like the Stark suiting up scenes so much even if I didn't like the movie all that much (especially IM 2). They're so right about how we subconsciously can recognize the problem with CGI since we see light's behavior with so many various things/environments throughout the day, especially if your someone who is very detail vigilant. It's just that not everyone is..... and probably there's different shades of that.