Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[RockinDaMike]

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

Amazing visuals too, that was fantastic throughout the city during the slaughter. Cinematography was top notch here.

Clegane bowl was fantastic, I need that image of the Mountain in the top of the stairs with the Hound at the bottom. The part where he told Arya not to follow him and not to be him was a great scene between them.

I didn’t get Cersei just staying where she was when the surrender happened. Seriously no escape plan? Especially how smart Cersei has been throughout.

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Dany has been heading down this path since season 7 and even before then she would mention burning the city. When she first met Jon she only wanted him to bend the knee because she became power hungry. She burned the Tarlys against the wishes of her advisors. This is not out of left field.


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[RockinDaMike]

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Dany has been heading down this path since season 7 and even before then she would mention burning the city. When she first met Jon she only wanted him to bend the knee because she became power hungry. She burned the Tarlys against the wishes of her advisors. This is not out of left field.


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I think it’s been building well before season 7. I don’t get why some people think this was out of character. You don’t want to wake the Dragon and they did.

She’s always been cruel to her enemies from her brother to how she built her army. She killed all the slave owners, Dothraki Khals, that rich city Quarth. She had that cold sinnester look everytime.


Then every single one of her beloved people have died or betrayed her minus Grey Worm plus two of her Dragons died. Then on top her claim to the throne is false. No doubt that was leading to be Mad like her father.


Pretty sure Dany is dying next week but who is it? Popular choice is Jon, but Arya could be it. She still has to fulfill her green eyes death and a lot of us thought that would be Cersei but Dany has green eyes as well.

Or maybe Bran worgs into Drogo and kills her. They built up Bran with a special ability that no one knows about and I just find a waste that his last worg was to be a raven to bait the NK.






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I had such a weird nauseous feeling most of this episode.

I love this show, but I do wish things were moving at a different pace and not skipping some obvious stuff. For example: It makes so much more sense for Yara and Euron to fight at some point rather than Euron and Jaime.

The show has just built itself into something where I don't know that they could possibly satisfy everyone's need for closure with every story arc that's running.

I'm curious about how much time is going to lapse between this episode and the last because I don't see how this ends without Sansa existing in some capacity. The show really just feels like it could use another 5ish episodes to spread things out and be driven by actual story. It's like we are super-simming the story just to get somewhere.

With all that being said, I do still love this show and I didn't expect to be happy after this season so I'm just going to try to enjoy what I'm getting. It's been one of the greatest shows of all time and I think it's going to be a long time until something comes close.

The Clegane fight was awesome. I saw someone on twitter say Gregor Clegane was harder to kill than the Night King lol. The moment between Tyrion and Jaime was great too.

[Armor and Sword]

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This was a flat out nuclear holocaust!

My wife and I watched and were blown away at the madness. But we knew it was coming. You feel and sense it building and building. Dani trusts no one. Jon denying her love was the final straw and I knew at that moment she would go full postal on Kings Landing.

A tremendous episode. An incredible series. One of the best of all time hands down. So good that I will revisit it and watch it all again without question.


With that being said......any Vikings fans in here? That is the next best show IMO. Incredible actually.

[CMH]

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How far this show has fallen.


Not surprising to me that most of the things being mentioned here as to why this episode was so cool was because of the shots, cinematics and carnage. Typical Hollywood Blockbuster garbage is what Game of Thrones has turned into this season and they are justifying it by destroying characters.


No, there is no justification for Dany's actions in this episode. Yes, there were signs of her being a vengeful, mad person. But in 7 seasons we watched Dany be the breaker of chains, the person willing to protect innocent people by killing bad rulers and tyrants. So of course, Dany now takes her anger out on innocent people and completely ignores her true target: Cersei. She knows where Cersei is. We see the Red Keep in the distance, almost begging for Dany to fly to, and instead she swoops down and starts burning innocent people that already surrendered.


A complete bludgeoning of her character and one of the worst arcs I've ever witnessed in television history. A disgrace.




In order to try to justify this, in order to make the viewer feel compelled to hate Dany, the writers then tried to sell us on the possibility that Cersei is really not that bad of a person. She's just a woman that cares for her unborn child and wants to live. "Please feel bad for her," said someone in the writer's room at some point probably. Seriously what the **** was that? They give Cersei a redemption story at the end and let her die with her loved one?



All of this so we have no choice but to turn to Dany and view her as the real bad guy. No more Night King, no more Cersei. So please now pay attention to the blonde woman riding a dragon burning everything around her for no reason at all but just because we want to make her the bad guy now. LOL at this garbage.


Let's add in the fact that Cersei being pregnant had ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THE STORY AT ALL. Why the hell is this piece of news being fluffed up so much and then leads to nothing? This was a major plot development. Cersei is pregnant again. It meant nothing, though. Just like her character in Season 8 meant nothing.



Euron being the father? Who cares? It meant nothing too. It didn't motivate him to do anything. His fight with Jaime is based on viewer knowledge of the situation but it doesn't make sense for Euron to give a ****. He doesn't know that Jaime is the father of the child. He doesn't know that Jaime is a threat to take Cersei away from him. Euron just sees Jaime and we're supposed to consider what we know and accept that Euron feels threatened. Terrible writing. And he doesn't even kill Jaime! So what was the point? There was no point to Euron thinking he was a father or a potential king or anything. He was just there.


I'm too tired thinking of Jaime's story and how screwed up that is. He travels north to get away from Cersei only to travel back down South to be with her. His forever love. So what was the point of him going north? There was no character development. The writer's simply put Jaime up north for two things: to knight Brienne and have sex with her. That's it. Keep in mind those were never Jaime's goals. But that's all he accomplished up North. He was a plot device to give Brienne what she always wanted, and to give fans what they always wanted.


The worst offense is GoT destroying women in this series. Back to Brienne. For 7 seasons we knew what Brienne always wanted. She got it. She was knighted. She was recognized. She finally smiled and cried because her goal was complete. Some thought that meant she would die. Well, she did die, just not in the way people thought she would. The writers reduced a warrior into a pathetic, love infatuated crier. Brienne of Tarth was no more. She was just another woman that fell in love with Jaime and wanted him to be with her. How disgusting.


Sansa actually defended her abuse and said it made her stronger. Great message. I'm fearful that Arya will now run to Gendry to just make babies and drop everything she ever cared to do just because a big man told her not to do it.


And Dany. Let's go back there. Dany. A caring, fearless leader that wanted to rid the world of tyrants and evil people was, all along, simply a woman that couldn't handle the emotional responsibilities of ruling. Typical woman, am I right? Can't keep her emotions in check. Disgusting.




As for LOL moment of the series. The most hilarious and stupidest thing I've ever seen. Cleganebowl. And no not for the fight. The fight was super cool with CGI and cinematic shots and all the things that made Game of Thrones Game of Thrones. No, because the writers wanted to have this fight so badly that they didn't even consider what to do with the people inevitably stuck in the situation. So they have a weak old man stand in between two large angry men and get himself killed (a decision that actually felt like GoT) and what do they do with Cersei? Oh she just dances on by. "Excuse me, I'll just leave." They couldn't find a way to remove her from Gregor so they just have her shuffle away in hilarious fashion. Sure. Good job.




The writers destroyed this series. Hacks. The both of them.

[CMH]

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She’s always been cruel to her enemies from her brother to how she built her army. She killed all the slave owners, Dothraki Khals, that rich city Quarth. She had that cold sinnester look everytime.

Yes, she killed evil people. Never innocents.


In fact, Dany suffered over decisions that included innocents. She plotted in ways that would keep innocent people alive.


She nearly didn't take Quarth because she feared what would happen to the slaves.


Dany IMPRISONED HER DRAGONS BECAUSE THEY KILLED A LITTLE GIRL.


But, no, this is justified. Instead of going after Cersie, Dany kills innocent people because she's mad.


Nah. Don't defend this garbage.

[CMH]

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I just can not get all this love for the white walkers.

They were never that interesting. Undead wanting to kill the living. That's not all that interesting. There's no depth to that. No story to tell. They've had very little connection to the world and characters we've been a part of for 8 seasons. Why would they end the show with them?

There's no story to tell because the writers gave us no story to tell. They purposely lessened the effect of that threat so they could move on without upsetting the fanbase.


I implore you to watch the earlier seasons again and consider how often the North was concerned about the threat higher up North. That's interesting if the writers make it interesting.


Because they ignored it and acted like Cersei for most of the series, you don't see the value in that threat and consider it week. Thank the writers for that.

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This was the best directing I've seen in GOT. The extended scenes of the horror in the streets and throughout Kings Landing was unbelievable. The gore reached a new level for GOT, especially Arya's late scene. The music continues to be on point. Since we already crossed the bridge into the bizzarro GOT world earlier this season, this episode wasn't all that bad, though nothing great from a story perspective, as usual. The heavy foreshadowing of Dany becoming the Mad Queen turned out to be true and I was surprised at how much of a non-reaction I had to it.

The whole episode goes back to why E4's final scene was so unbelievably stupid. Cersei could have avoided thousands of deaths, including her own, Jamie's, and every innocent citizen if she attacked Dany when they stood outside her gates when Missandei was beheaded. Kings Landing is nearly burned to the ground because Cersei made an egregious out-of-character decision. Her in the depths of the Red Keep, crying about how she doesn't want to die. Well, maybe you should have wiped out your enemy with relative ease when you had the chance.

Dany is the tragic figure, becoming what she vowed to never to be. Her motivations are okay, but the final moment where she snaps and starts burning thousands of innocents, meh. I liked one post about how they could have spun this much better if Rhaegal died this episode. Have the bells ring, ready for surrender, then one Lannister idiot takes a shot that kills Rhaegal and that sets Dany off. Or have someone take a cheap shot and kill Greyworm after the bells. Still, talk about rushed pacing, she went from risking everything to save the realm in E3 to the Mad Queen in E5.

I knew the one remaining dragon would be unstoppable this episode, after dragons were nerfed for much of the last few seasons. On one hand, it was cool to see what the dragons were supposed to be all along, but the inconsistencies along the way have been frustrating.

I legit LOL'd at Cleganebowl. It was so over the top and Cersei tip-toeing past the Hound, plus Qyburn's death made me lose it.

The Jamie/Euron ending was whatever. Didn't move the needle for me. Same with Cersei and Jamie, though Lena Headey's acting was great in their final moments. Jamie doing a 360--or arguably even worse--and ending up right where he started in S1E1 is frustrating, especially since he decided to throw eight seasons worth of character development out the window thanks to one snarky comment from Sansa. He talked with Brienne about killing the Mad King and how he had to save the lives of so many innocent people; now he's saying he's never cared about those innocents.

At this point the only character I care about is Arya, though she's got that 9/11 lung cancer situation headed her way sooner rather than later. Bran warging into the horse to give her a way out of Kings Landing was dope. Bran finally did something useful.


Curious to see where we go from here.

• It seems like there's a 99% chance Dany dies next episode, either at the hands of Jon or Arya. That look on Arya's face over the final five minutes of the series, taking in the horrors of what Dany did. Arya will make an attempt on Dany's life regardless of who tries to stop her.
• Greyworm saw Jon's betrayal in the streets, wonder what he reports to Dany.
• Tyrion knows Dany murdered Jamie and Cersei. How does he react?
• I can't wait for the first dialogue between Dany and the remaining main characters. "Soooo, Dany. What was that all about?"

Arya wants to kill Dany. Tyrion will likely want to kill Dany. Jon is too much of a pansy to make a strong decision about her, at least right now. Maybe she does something else in the finale to push Jon over the top. It's either Dany kills every remaining main character or someone kills Dany. Seems far more likely that she'll be the one killed--but hey!--we're all about subverted expectations these days.

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No, there is no justification for Dany's actions in this episode. Yes, there were signs of her being a vengeful, mad person. But in 7 seasons we watched Dany be the breaker of chains, the person willing to protect innocent people by killing bad rulers and tyrants. So of course, Dany now takes her anger out on innocent people and completely ignores her true target: Cersei. She knows where Cersei is. We see the Red Keep in the distance, almost begging for Dany to fly to, and instead she swoops down and starts burning innocent people that already surrendered.

Yup, it was stupid. It'd have been one thing if a bunch of innocents were killed in a crossfire (literally! ba-doom-tiss) while she was still fighting the Lannisters and Golden Company but to win the battle and then decide to burn primarily innocent people? It makes no sense. If she wanted to fly over and burn down the Red Keep I'd get it. No mercy for Cersei. But why are you unnecessarily destroying a city that you want to rule? Do you know how much extra work you're making for yourself and that you're making significantly more enemies--not just in Kings Landing but within your own forces, not to mention once word spreads throughout the Seven Kingdoms.

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I kind of feel the same about this episode as I did the Long Night. Yeah, it was entertaining but both had "Jump the Shark" moments that didn't kill the episode for me but definitely left me with "what might have been if" feeling.

The writing for Dany turning Mad Queen has been on the wall for a while now, but for her to start roasting innocents was just too far out of character. Yes, it made for some cool visuals but with all she's been through to choose the "people will fear me" and "rule over ashes" route, just doesn't fit.

In my opinion, it would have been much better if Dany went after Cersei instead of roasting innocents. Then she becomes Queen but is so paranoid that she eventually becomes madder and madder (being suspicious of everyone, killing anyone who won't bend the knee, etc). That would have gotten us to this same point without her going completely out of character... but hey at least it was cool to see.

I thought Cersei's death was weak too.. I mean, I liked it for Jamie's sake but I would have rather Cersei's death be more personal than what we got. With that said, by the end of the episode I was almost rooting for Cersei to get away. I feel like her living life as a commoner, especially if Jamie ended up dying saving her, would almost be more punishment for her than a quick death. The Shield spoiler

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It would pretty much be the same as the Vic Mackey treatment.

Going for ruling the Seven Kingdoms as Queen to begging for food for her baby would have been something to see.... and then if that baby ended up being a dwarf. That would have been the ultimate revenge for Tyrion.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I just can not get all this love for the white walkers.

They were never that interesting. Undead wanting to kill the living. That's not all that interesting. There's no depth to that. No story to tell. They've had very little connection to the world and characters we've been a part of for 8 seasons. Why would they end the show with them?

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Nightking killing everyone at Kingslanding- He doing the bad stuff. Darn.

Dany killing everyone at kingslanding- YOOOO. Holy ****. She's officially ****ing lost it! Dammmmnnnn. What's going to happen now?!

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If you end the show with the walkers, if they win, the story was that humans are dumb, fighting over this insignificant throne while ignoring the real enemy, and if they lose, it's the cost of uniting everyone and fighting an army that is basically death itself.

If the Mad Queen angle hadn't been foreshadowed/forced it may be more interesting. As it is, what's going to happen now? She's going to burn people and then get stabbed. That's it.

[TMagic]

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There's no story to tell because the writers gave us no story to tell. They purposely lessened the effect of that threat so they could move on without upsetting the fanbase.


I implore you to watch the earlier seasons again and consider how often the North was concerned about the threat higher up North. That's interesting if the writers make it interesting.


Because they ignored it and acted like Cersei for most of the series, you don't see the value in that threat and consider it week. Thank the writers for that.

Idk man. I just don't see how you can make zombies interesting. I've mentioned it way back, but you have a pretty popular show out there (not sure if it still is. Stopped watching it lol) in a world full of zombies, and the biggest threat in that show has always been humans. Humans are interesting. Zombies are not. You can empathize or hate human beings. Zombies are a bit harder to connect with or care for. Lol

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What did Tyrion really have to gain by snitching on Varys and I wonder where all of those letters he wrote went? Why would Dany ever be surprised that the former "Master of Whisperers" in Kings Landing is carrying on like that behind her back? Varys was a snake most of the series, but I liked his character.

He was definitely dishing the dirt because he knew his time was coming.

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Idk man. I just don't see how you can make zombies interesting. I've mentioned it way back, but you have a pretty popular show out there (not sure if it still is. Stopped watching it lol) in a world full of zombies, and the biggest threat in that show has always been humans. Humans are interesting. Zombies are not. You can empathize or hate human beings. Zombies are a bit harder to connect with or care for. Lol

It's not about who's interesting. It's about the biggest threat. As GRRM and Davos and other characters have said: the Iron Throne is irrelevant if no one is alive to sit on it. GRRM has said the White Walkers are a metaphor for climate change.

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In the interview, Martin acknowledges the similarities between today’s fight against climate change and the fight in Westeros.

“There’s a certain parallel there,” Martin explained. “The people in Westeros are fighting their individual battles over power and status and wealth. And those are so distracting them that they’re ignoring the threat of ‘winter is coming,’ which has the potential to destroy all of them and to destroy their world.”

Today, Martin said, “we’re fighting over issues, important issues, mind you — foreign policy, domestic policy, civil rights, social responsibility, social justice.”

On the HBO show, most leaders from the Seven Kingdoms are too preoccupied with their quest for the Iron Throne to recognize the White Walkers as legitimate threats.

Martin told the Times:

But while we’re tearing ourselves apart over this and expending so much energy, there exists this threat of climate change, which, to my mind, is conclusively proved by most of the data and 99.9 percent of the scientific community. And it really has the potential to destroy our world. And we’re ignoring that while we worry about the next election and issues that people are concerned about, like jobs. Jobs are a very important issue, of course. All of these things are important issues. But none of them are important if, like, we’re dead and our cities are under the ocean. So really, climate change should be the number one priority for any politician who is capable of looking past the next election. But unfortunately, there are only a handful of those. We spend 10 times as much energy and thought and debate in the media discussing whether or not N.F.L. players should stand for the national anthem than this threat that’s going to destroy our world.