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  • dagger55
    No end in sight...
    • Jul 2004
    • 7907

    #1

    PS3 losing developer support?

    From ps3focus.com

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    A recent article on Japanese site ZakZak compared the current console wars between the PS3 and Xbox 360 to Japan’s recent general election. The full text, translated from the Japanese, is given below.

    Victory for the Sony PS3 looking more unlikely as support for Kutaragi drops

    Can Kutaragi shake off the Xbox 360 with his commitment to hardware evolution? (photo caption)

    Japan’s recent general election, featuring Koizumi’s battalion of “smiling assassins” [high-profile women media personalities and diplomats designed to dazzle voters], resulted in an emphatic victory for Koizumi. This winter, the next-generation gaming industry also appeared to be gearing up for a general election. The question is, which next-generation console will be victorious?

    In the middle of this month, the gaming industry’s biggest event, “Tokyo Game Show 2005″, was held at Makuhari Messe. The catch cry for TGS was, “You can see the future from the front seat.” Smiling wryly, a major software company executive remarked, “We [the software industry] are the ones who really want to see the future.”

    With a sigh, he continued: “Next-generation game consoles are like a general election. For software makers like us, [choosing a platform to develop for] has been a drawn-out process similar to choosing a political power or political party to support, and it is extremely difficult to predict the outcome.”

    The highlight of this general election for the gaming industry will be seeing whether the “Oda-Nobunaga [powerful Japanese ruler and well-known historical figure] of the industry” Ken Kutaragi and his Playstation camp can exude the same powerful charisma as [Japanese Prime Minister] Junichirou Koizumi.

    An industry insider remarked, “The outcome will depend on whether gamers support Sony executive Kutaragi in his firm belief that the evolution of the game console [hardware] will result in a bigger market for Sony.”

    In the periodic management plan Sony released on the 22nd, Sony had the following to say about their high-tech creation, the PS3: “Our top priority is to bring innovation to the market by next spring.”

    Most believe it will be a decisive victory [for Sony], with the catch phrase “Don’t stop evolution”, much like Junichirou Koizumi’s election victory with his catchphrase “Don’t stop reformation.” However, another industry insider confided, “This is nothing but a nightmare for many Japanese software development companies.”

    One of the reasons for this nightmare is soaring development costs.

    The industry insider went on to say, “Kutaragi has said, ‘Please develop suitable software for PS3 - this software must not be of the same standard as PS2 software.’ Developing software for the PS3 from scratch will require an initial investment of at least 2 billion yen [US $17.6 million] [not including development costs]. There are not many software companies that can easily afford that kind of money.”

    The prevailing rumor is that many software companies with difficulty may end up developing for the Xbox 360 (to be released on 10 December 2005).

    The previous interviewee also said, “Kutaragi is pursuing hardware evolution, and the credibility gap for him is now even worse than that of the GameCube era [when many developers defected from Nintendo].”

    In fact, Microsoft is garnering support from many software developers and game creators in Japan. This kind of movement [spearheaded by Microsoft] is reminiscent of The Democratic Party of Japan’s general election catch phrase - “We will not give up on the Japanese market.” Indeed, one software developer slated to develop exclusively for Sony is now questioning whether this was the right decision.

    One journalist, a veteran of the industry, observes, “The Xbox 360 is selling at 39795 yen [US $350], whereas the PS3 will probably be more expensive. To draw a comparison with PC operating systems, the Xbox 360 is like a low-cost and stable version of Windows, while the PS3 resembles a high quality Macintosh [operating system]. Considering the economic variance within the world market, we may find that console selection depends heavily on geographic location.”

    In an aside about Nintendo revolution, the journalist remarked, “It will survive on the basis of its originality. I don’t know about [its prospects in] other countries, but it may win alone in Japan.”

    Unlike Koizumi’s emphatic victory in the general election, opposition in the gaming industry is strong. Therefore, the future prospects for the battle of the next generation consoles look chaotic.

    Translation by Takatoshi Yokoo and Nicole Stiles, PS3Focus.com staff
  • Erv
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2105

    #2
    Re: PS3 losing developer support?

    Those points are valid to an extent. But...

    - Even though costs are naturally rising, indies such as Nippon Ichi and Atlus are working on PS3. Small companies were putting together trailers that shamed many xbox360 efforts such as that futuristic hovercraft game at TGS. What this means is undetermined, but you know how it goes...if THEY can do it so should someone as big as say Team Ninja.

    The guys who don't want to get their hands dirty are flocking to 360. They don't want to deal with multiple cores and adapting to it. Running away from it doesn't change the fact that they'll have to use it, and use it soon. Or start negotiations with Nintendo. I haven't seen a single core game on 360 that couldn't be done on todays PC.

    The problem is these games aren't going to sell consoles. Perfect Dark 0 and PGR3 still can't reach 30 FPS and launch is right around the corner. In fact expect many titles to either come out rushed or quietly slip to next year. DOA4 might as well be DOA:3 Ultimate with a hi-res sheen of paint. Oh wait DOA: Ultimate actually had a decent costume selection never mind.

    So there's two sides to this fence and it could go either way.

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    • USF11
      C*rr*ntly *n L*f* T*lt
      • Jun 2003
      • 4245

      #3
      Re: PS3 losing developer support?

      This ariticle is the reason why nintendo has a chance to get some market share back. Nintendo is basing its entire next gen strategy on significantly lower development costs making it the system for indy develpoers.
      "Good music transcends all physical limits, it's more then something you hear, it's something that you feel, when the author, experience, and passion is real" - Murs (And this is for)

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      • fishepa
        I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
        • Feb 2003
        • 18989

        #4
        Re: PS3 losing developer support?

        But I thought the PS2 was the easiest console to develop for?

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        • DXZeke
          Straight Edge
          • Feb 2003
          • 2538

          #5
          Re: PS3 losing developer support?

          Developers have said the XBox is the easiest to develop for since it's essentialy a PC.

          It's not as hard now to develop for the PS2 since it took them 4yrs to have development tools available that make it easier to program for the PS2.
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          • luv_mist
            Older
            • May 2004
            • 9596

            #6
            Re: PS3 losing developer support?

            I don't usually do this but.....


            Originally posted by Erv
            Those points are valid to an extent. But...

            - Even though costs are naturally rising, indies such as Nippon Ichi and Atlus are working on PS3. Small companies were putting together trailers that shamed many xbox360 efforts such as that futuristic hovercraft game at TGS. What this means is undetermined, but you know how it goes...if THEY can do it so should someone as big as say Team Ninja.
            What video trailers are you talking about and were they in game in the first place? So far, this is the first I've been hearing of any trailers that came out and put other games to shame on the 360. You mean at the TGS? Didn't really see too many that were hot except that Metal Gear which sure as heck might not have been in-game seriously. Gotta drop names for you knowledge my man. One thing to toss things on a board, it's another to toss links backign up those names.

            Originally posted by Erv
            The guys who don't want to get their hands dirty are flocking to 360. They don't want to deal with multiple cores and adapting to it. Running away from it doesn't change the fact that they'll have to use it, and use it soon. Or start negotiations with Nintendo. I haven't seen a single core game on 360 that couldn't be done on todays PC.
            Now, I do agree that they are flocking cause they don't want to get their hands dirty. But we must also remind you that there is a new type of format that will be used which could be that "dirty" they don't want to get their hands on. I've read in the Game Informer magazine that production for games won't be as expensive as people thought with only a small hike:

            "A developer told Loose Talk that game budgets for your average title in the next-generation will probably cost around 12 to 15 million. Our source put currrent generation development at around 10 to 12 million. If these estimates are correct, next-gen development doesn't sound as costly as some of the figures we've been hearing in the 20 million-plus category. Interestingly, publishers have been using the estimated big budgets of next-gen games to justify to consumers why their price tag might be $59.99."
            (Game Informer p. 32 under Loose Talk; NEXT-GEN GAME BUDGETS)


            The problem is these games aren't going to sell consoles. Perfect Dark 0 and PGR3 still can't reach 30 FPS and launch is right around the corner. In fact expect many titles to either come out rushed or quietly slip to next year. DOA4 might as well be DOA:3 Ultimate with a hi-res sheen of paint. Oh wait DOA: Ultimate actually had a decent costume selection never mind.

            So there's two sides to this fence and it could go either way.
            Now I do feel that games don't sell consoles per se but they sure as heck make a different in what console a consumer would be more likely to buy if their are nice exclusives on one that seem almost impossible to pass up. Now, I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're implying with us expecting titles to not be out when they say they will. Seems like a lot of companies are just putting the finishing touches on games. But that could just be my perception. And, you know that PGR3 isn't running on 30 FPS from where again?? That names thing. Refer to my first paragraph in response.... Will be waiting for a lashing, but hey, that's the fun of internet right??

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            • burnwood
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 2270

              #7
              Re: PS3 losing developer support?

              Originally posted by Erv
              Those points are valid to an extent. But...

              The guys who don't want to get their hands dirty are flocking to 360. They don't want to deal with multiple cores and adapting to it. Running away from it doesn't change the fact that they'll have to use it, and use it soon. Or start negotiations with Nintendo. I haven't seen a single core game on 360 that couldn't be done on todays PC.
              The XBox 360 has three symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHz each with two hardware threads per core. Did you not know this?

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              • luv_mist
                Older
                • May 2004
                • 9596

                #8
                Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                Originally posted by burnwood
                The XBox 360 has three symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHz each with two hardware threads per core. Did you not know this?
                Was talking out the side of his neck. Hence, why there is not response from him of course. Some people love opinion more than fact. Still wondering what companies are second guessing their loyalty. Did they sign any papers that said they were going to stay committed with PS3? I'm curious. I'd be straight up laughing if I saw Metal Gear Solid on 360. Not likely, but neither impossible....

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                • mgoblue
                  Go Wings!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 25477

                  #9
                  Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                  Originally posted by luv_mist
                  Was talking out the side of his neck. Hence, why there is not response from him of course. Some people love opinion more than fact. Still wondering what companies are second guessing their loyalty. Did they sign any papers that said they were going to stay committed with PS3? I'm curious. I'd be straight up laughing if I saw Metal Gear Solid on 360. Not likely, but neither impossible....
                  seriously, people have said that the xbox 360 was harder to code for, it's all moot...we'll decide when we see games and go "ooohhhhh"
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                  • luv_mist
                    Older
                    • May 2004
                    • 9596

                    #10
                    Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                    Originally posted by mgoblue
                    seriously, people have said that the xbox 360 was harder to code for, it's all moot...we'll decide when we see games and go "ooohhhhh"
                    First I've heard of this, but might as well wait and see right? Only a few more....

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                    • LIGHTNING
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 1610

                      #11
                      Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                      Originally posted by Erv
                      Those points are valid to an extent. But...

                      - Even though costs are naturally rising, indies such as Nippon Ichi and Atlus are working on PS3. Small companies were putting together trailers that shamed many xbox360 efforts such as that futuristic hovercraft game at TGS. What this means is undetermined, but you know how it goes...if THEY can do it so should someone as big as say Team Ninja.

                      The guys who don't want to get their hands dirty are flocking to 360. They don't want to deal with multiple cores and adapting to it. Running away from it doesn't change the fact that they'll have to use it, and use it soon. Or start negotiations with Nintendo. I haven't seen a single core game on 360 that couldn't be done on todays PC.

                      The problem is these games aren't going to sell consoles. Perfect Dark 0 and PGR3 still can't reach 30 FPS and launch is right around the corner. In fact expect many titles to either come out rushed or quietly slip to next year. DOA4 might as well be DOA:3 Ultimate with a hi-res sheen of paint. Oh wait DOA: Ultimate actually had a decent costume selection never mind.

                      So there's two sides to this fence and it could go either way.


                      Development costs are going to be very important next generation and this is where Microsoft will have an advantage. It is VERY expensive to multi thread game engines and the CELL is asymetrical which will increase costs even more.

                      You cannot compare a near finished game for the XBOX 360 to a CG game for the PS3. It is not the same because the CG games do not have AI running which makes a big difference.

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                      • burnwood
                        MVP
                        • May 2003
                        • 2270

                        #12
                        Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                        Originally posted by mgoblue
                        seriously, people have said that the xbox 360 was harder to code for, it's all moot...we'll decide when we see games and go "ooohhhhh"
                        I haven't seen any news about which was harder to code for although I do know that at least one major developer has complained that coding for multiple core CPUs is significantly harder and they are ill-prepared to do so. So this included both the PS3 and 360.

                        Here's some links about coding for multiple cores:






                        Video link to the interview:




                        And an excerpt:

                        "Gabe Newell, of Valve fame, criticizes Microsoft and Sony on how difficult it will be for next-gen developers to produce games on their upcoming hardware. He is especially critical of Sony's model, where code written to run on Cell will be very hard to port to other systems, and vice versa. Will this bring upon a new era of PC Game superiority? Only time will tell. In the meantime, Newell says he believes that Steam-like systems will be extremely helpful for developers on the new consoles due to their ability to provide updates and new content."

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                        • luv_mist
                          Older
                          • May 2004
                          • 9596

                          #13
                          Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                          That the fat bas who was crying and stuff about the joint being too hard? Sour puss....

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                          • burnwood
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 2270

                            #14
                            Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                            LOL, I know.

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                            • p2xgamers
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 4735

                              #15
                              Re: PS3 losing developer support?

                              I haven't seen a single core game on 360 that couldn't be done on todays PC.
                              You must of not seen many videos because I have seen many games. (COD2, yes it looks much better on the 360...NBA 2k6, I could go on)
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