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  • jmc
    Pro
    • Feb 2003
    • 521

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    The power of 360 is amazing

    IGN: In what ways does Kameo take advantage of the Xbox 360's powerful engine?

    Nick Burton: We always wanted to have crowd scenes in Kameo and started to do some experiments with the Xbox 1 and figured we could get maybe 100 or so NPCs. Once we moved onto the Xbox 360 we thought, "Let's try something that will slow it down, how about 1,000? Ran fine, no problem whatsoever! How about 3,000? Still fine!" Then we thought we had better try it with something more taxing than a test level so we put them on the Battle Field level which was all parallax and normal mapped, had a huge draw distance and lots of special effects like volumetric smoke; it still ran fine. In the released game we had something like 3000-plus NPCs because more than that was hard to choreograph, but the 360 can do much more. At one point during debug we found that each of the NPCs in one scene were being drawn 4 times by mistake, that's 12,000 being drawn and still no sign of slowdown.

    We had a similar story with the GPU particle systems... We had a test running with a 100,000 particles being computed purely on the GPU, no CPU intervention at all. Now the Xbox 1 could do that but on the 360 they all react to the player and hit the floor and are lit, then we tried more, lots more! How about 1 milion? We aren't talking test levels or tech demos here. They are actually in the released game, and you can go and count them in the Throne Room. Most levels don't have quite that many though as only about 300,000 are normally in visible range at one time.

    When thinking about the NPC and particle rendering, remember to put it into context; these are not tech demos and they represent a tiny amount of the actual graphical load Kameo puts on the Xbox 360. Each scene has hugely complex shaders on the geometry that would not have been possible on previous generation hardware, or even on the PC until recently. Almost every surface in Kameo is both normal and parallax mapped, has a detail map, is shadowed, has some global illumination and has an accurate dynamic lighting model. On top of the main model shaders, you have so many effects such as (but not all) particles, volumetric smoke and fire, instanced foliage, grass shaders, true reflections, accurate depth of field, bloom, color correction, real-time water surfaces, heat haze, and much more.
  • Flawless
    Bang-bang! Down-down!
    • Mar 2004
    • 16780

    #2
    Re: The power of 360 is amazing

    Kameo is a gorgeous game. Pretty amazing stuff for a launch title.
    Go Noles!!! >>----->

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    • WTF
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      • Aug 2002
      • 20274

      #3
      Re: The power of 360 is amazing

      I haven't had the opportunity to play Kameo, as it didn't seem to be my type of game... is it worth a pickup?

      Oh, and what they are describing is amazing.
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      • ThatCanadianGuy
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        • Jul 2002
        • 2111

        #4
        Re: The power of 360 is amazing

        Yep Kameo is an awesome looking game. Going to pick that up eventually.

        PDZ imo looks "off". Some of the environments looks nice. I just can't stand the art direction in that game and really hope for PD2 they go for a darker realistic look, with no cowboys, asian gangsters, or alien Peter Moore's. The fact Botwood wishes they went with the magna look scares me....

        Hopefully Banjo 3 is one of their next games.

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        • The GIGGAS
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          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          Re: The power of 360 is amazing

          Kameo is a great-looking game and was a lot of fun.

          I need to finish it, but I sent it back to Gamefly... damn.

          I need to have more money, dammit... too many games.
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          • Flawless
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            • Mar 2004
            • 16780

            #6
            Re: The power of 360 is amazing

            Originally posted by ThatCanadianGuy
            Hopefully Banjo 3 is one of their next games.
            I agree.

            I wonder what Viva Pinata is?
            Go Noles!!! >>----->

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            • Flawless
              Bang-bang! Down-down!
              • Mar 2004
              • 16780

              #7
              Re: The power of 360 is amazing

              Originally posted by WTF
              I haven't had the opportunity to play Kameo, as it didn't seem to be my type of game... is it worth a pickup?

              Oh, and what they are describing is amazing.
              I played a good bit of Kameo at a friends house, and thought it was really fun. I would pick it up as a rental, because it's kind of a short game.
              Go Noles!!! >>----->

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              • WTF
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                • Aug 2002
                • 20274

                #8
                Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                Thanks for that Flawless. I may end up renting it if I can find it locally. I don't have a Gamefly account, or anything like that. I'll give it a shot though...
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                • Heelfan71
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                  the 360 is even more powerful if its baby blue.
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                  • goh
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 20755

                    #10
                    Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                    There's a Kameo demo. I didn't like it very much.

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                    • DXZeke
                      Straight Edge
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 2538

                      #11
                      Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                      The demo isn't exactly a great indication of the whole game. It just gives you a quick idea of how the game controls and some of the powers.

                      To me it feels like Zelda Lite.

                      It's my 2nd favorite platformer I've played in the past few years.
                      Psychonauts being the best i've played in recent years.

                      It's worth renting. Just keep in mind. The first level persay is a tutorial more or less... then the game opens up some aftewards.
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                      • Rodster
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 5709

                        #12
                        Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                        Originally posted by Flawless
                        Kameo is a gorgeous game. Pretty amazing stuff for a launch title.
                        True dat. Cameo's graphics style and choice of colors for some reason reminds me of Warcraft 3 but in super hi-res. A truly beautiful game.

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                        • Pratt75
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 2357

                          #13
                          Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                          I just started playing Kameo yesterday(only the first level) and found it to be pretty enjoyable. I like how you have to use Kameo's different elemental powers to get through the level. It adds a little strategy to the game. It seems like it is going to be a fun and very colorful game to play through.

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                          • bigfnjoe96
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 11410

                            #14
                            Re: The power of 360 is amazing

                            A beautiful game with an excellent score also. The music in this game is amazing. The textures are so crisp that I sometimes stay stuck staring @ the screen during gameplay...

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