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  • Kevin26385
    EA Game Changer
    • May 2004
    • 5147

    #1

    PS3 cost..hints

    Like many of you, it’s hard for me to remember a time when the word "Playstation" was not synonymous with gaming. Sony has held the all mighty hardware throne for an astounding eleven years at the time of writing this. The same can be said for Nintendo’s 9 year reign with the NES and SNES from 1985 - 1994, and even more so with Atari’s 10 year reign ending with the collapse of the entire industry in 1981-1984. With that in mind, one must ask, is Sony placing to much faith in the Playstation moniker at this point or do they truly understand the business on such a level that the cat and mouse game they are playing with the PS3 and any information surrounding will ultimately pay off in the bolstering amount needed to save the ailing hardware giant.

    In a recent interview through a European media outlet, Mr. Fornay Vice president of SCEE (Sony computer entertainment of Europe) made some rather astounding remarks regarding the PS3 price-point and the views being placed upon it. He hastily hinted that a Blu-ray player in the neighborhood of $599.99 would be an absolute steal, but as a stand alone gaming machine would be quite overpriced, as proven in the past. Sony was quick to issue a rebuttal on his behalf stating these were his personal views and not official commenting on the price of the PS3. Damage control at its finest. But keep in mind the massive cover up after Sony’s own CEO Howard Stringer hinted at the PS3's launch delay to Vanity Fair. Sony PR was quick to label it as "pure speculation" coming from the company’s own CEO, which was later to be proven completely accurate when the delay was made official mid-march of 2006. Sony isn’t one for honesty as a company entity however their head honcho's loose lips seem to deliver the only truth passing Sony’s door these days.

    If the PS3 is delivered at $599.99 what does this mean for Sony? Historically gaming machines would have never sold for anything north of $299.99 (that was until the Xbox360 moved the line to 399.99 in winter of 2005). Just look at the complete failure of the 1990's powerhouse, the 3DO, at the relatively respectable price of $399.99 (roughly $449.99 inflation adjusted). With the PS3 now touting the largest price tag for any console in the history of gaming and higher then most mid-low end PC's at this point, does this spell disaster for the ailing hardware giant? Sony hasn’t posted net gains in the past three years until 2005 when they posted a depressing $580 million dollar profit after posting loss's in the billions for the last three fiscal years.

    The true death blow at this point would really point to the HDCP compliance required for Blu-ray movie playback (as well as HD-DVD), making the PS3 no more then a video game system with a capacity of 50 gig games for anyone who purchased a HDTV in the past 6 years. So were does the PS3's $600.00 price tag come into play for us non-HDCP HDTV owners? The answer is nowhere.

    PS3 production pricing at this point has been laid out to be anywhere from $850 - $956 per unit, meaning there will be a loss on each machine of approx $250 - $350 per console sold. If one million consoles sell in the first day of availability Sony will have wiped their entire fiscal gain for all of 2005 in under 24 hours.

    In retrospect, Microsoft lost $150 per Xbox (Version 1) console, ending in a 4 billion dollar loss in the lifespan of Xbox (Version 1). With pockets deeper then the Atlantic Ocean, even Microsoft had to re-consider their standings in the console market, thus leading to an abruptly ended Xbox life span. So how will Sony bounce back for a variable $2 billion dollar hole in 2006? Answer is they won't at the price point they have “announced”.

    Sony’s official statement in the face of the $599.99 price tag was "The console will not cost $750 dollars", meaning in short, I believe the damage control was laid down not in the face of the price tag being over priced, but more like being under priced. Expect the PS3 to weigh in above the $650 mark for Sony to have a substantial chance at a 2006 fiscal year that doesn’t sink the proverbial ship.

    But what does all this mean for gamers as a whole? Basically with an astounding high price, and seemingly useless features for those of us with standard definition televisions or high definition televisions purchased in the past 6 years, we will be purchasing a half-complete machine for a fully complete hi-def included player price. This is Sony’s main hurdle, finding a way around the HDCP protocol. A blu-ray player with a price tag of $100.00 is still worthless to over 350 million Americans which is, I might add, Sony’s main demographic for hardware sales (North America).

    Ailing stock prices, poor movie sales and a failing UMD (Sony PSP media) market, might add up to a low-cost buyout in Sony’s future. I personally see this happening regardless of the Blu-ray market by 2014. I for one can just see the looks on Sony’s main competitors faces at this time, all the gleaming in the world coming from One Microsoft way ( the road both Nintendo HQ and MS HQ reside on) as this could turn out to be the largest upset in consumer electronics history.

    All this added up, you have to ask yourself. Will the next Playstation you purchase post-PS3 run a Microsoft operating system and have backwards compatibility for PS1 PS2 PS3 Xbox and Xbox360? Putting your rabid love for Sony aside, this doesn’t seem as far fetched as it once did, when the Sony name wasn’t covered in enough red tape to fill the Grand Canyon.

    Blu-ray, Cell and a self-destructive obsession with one upping Microsoft, might have possibly put this king to rest... for good.

    Stay tuned for the largest train wreck in console history.


    I knew it would be alot, but the price there looking at is nuts. Well if anything this helps MS..I dont see many parents shelling out that kindof cash for there kids. Also this article is about MS buying Sony...Very interesting
    Last edited by Kevin26385; 04-09-2006, 09:39 AM.
  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #2
    Re: PS3 cost..hints

    Originally posted by Kev5890
    http://www.bonafidereviews.com/article.php?id=148

    I knew it would be alot, but the price there looking at is nuts. Well if anything this helps MS..I dont see many parents shelling out that kindof cash for there kids. Also this article is about MS buying Sony...Very interesting
    Good read, and I could see this flop in Sony's face if those prices are real.
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    • cjonesfan921
      UGH, next year
      • Jan 2005
      • 20081

      #3
      Re: PS3 cost..hints

      That's why we wait until Sony reveals a price. All this is, is speculation. I'm hoping it comes in $400-$500 or I will go the other route. We will see what happens when Sony decides to release the price of the console.

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      • Kevin26385
        EA Game Changer
        • May 2004
        • 5147

        #4
        Re: PS3 cost..hints

        Im reading on what sony fans think of it, and ofcourse there saying it wont happen. But if you look at the price of blu ray, and how much its taking to produce something like this...This thing could be 650$.

        No doubt in my mind if its 600$ or (obviously above) Sony will easily hand the gaming industry to Microsoft..then Nintendo would be behind them.

        Only hardcore fans will buy it..Noone on the fence of buying a system will ( most likely since it might be 600 or above) You wont have parents buying it for christmas..thats way to much money.

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        • CaptainZombie
          Brains
          • Jul 2003
          • 37851

          #5
          Re: PS3 cost..hints

          Originally posted by Kev5890
          Im reading on what sony fans think of it, and ofcourse there saying it wont happen. But if you look at the price of blu ray, and how much its taking to produce something like this...This thing could be 650$.

          No doubt in my mind if its 600$ or (obviously above) Sony will easily hand the gaming industry to Microsoft..then Nintendo would be behind them.

          Only hardcore fans will buy it..Noone on the fence of buying a system will ( most likely since it might be 600 or above) You wont have parents buying it for christmas..thats way to much money.
          I only see hardcore Sony fans purchasing this thing. It'll be too expensive.
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          • Rodster
            Banned
            • Mar 2003
            • 5709

            #6
            Re: PS3 cost..hints

            Regardless of what the price ends up being the PS3 will sell out at launch only because of the Playstation name.

            With that said I still standby what i've said in the past. I will buy a PS3 but I HAVE no need for Blu-Ray technology, I don't care about it, will never buy a BR movie and I see this technology having limited use in games.

            Microsoft love em or hate em have put their stamp on this gen with the early release of the Xbox360. I still believe 85-90% of all games on the PS3 will be ports from the 360. Developers have already put their stamp on multi-platform games.

            I don't see companies like EA or 2K the biggest examples doing a total rewrite of a game to take advantage of BR technology. I see companies like Square or Sony eventually using this new technology but most developers will blow it off. Hell Oblivion as massive a game as that is fit on one dvd.

            The worst thing that would happen to the 360 is seeing the game span multiple dvd's. No biggy cause it's been done on the PS1, PS2 and GC before.

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            • Jimplication
              MVP
              • Aug 2004
              • 3591

              #7
              Re: PS3 cost..hints

              I won't spend more than $300 on a console, period.

              I think it is ridiculous to spend upwards of $500 on gaming, regardless of what company, or console it is. The primary draw of console gaming for me has always been affordable gaming, and with the new pricing of these upcoming consoles my hobbies will likely be altered to more reasonable and enjoyable activities.

              I am not much of a gamer anymore, so spending upwards of $500 to play the same games with better graphics is something I won't be doing.
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              • CaptainZombie
                Brains
                • Jul 2003
                • 37851

                #8
                Re: PS3 cost..hints

                Originally posted by Rodster
                Regardless of what the price ends up being the PS3 will sell out at launch only because of the Playstation name.

                With that said I still standby what i've said in the past. I will buy a PS3 but I HAVE no need for Blu-Ray technology, I don't care about it, will never buy a BR movie and I see this technology having limited use in games.

                Microsoft love em or hate em have put their stamp on this gen with the early release of the Xbox360. I still believe 85-90% of all games on the PS3 will be ports from the 360. Developers have already put their stamp on multi-platform games.

                I don't see companies like EA or 2K the biggest examples doing a total rewrite of a game to take advantage of BR technology. I see companies like Square or Sony eventually using this new technology but most developers will blow it off. Hell Oblivion as massive a game as that is fit on one dvd.

                The worst thing that would happen to the 360 is seeing the game span multiple dvd's. No biggy cause it's been done on the PS1, PS2 and GC before.
                Blu-Ray, is an excellent technology which will really allow developers to make bigger games. But, how many developers are going to take advantage of this format is the question? Like Rod said, almost all multi platform games are being made (EA, 2KSports, etc.) on the 360 and then being ported over to the PS3.

                Yes, companies like Square and Sony will take advantage of the blu ray. I just can't see this system being a success at $600+?
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                • Rodster
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 5709

                  #9
                  Re: PS3 cost..hints

                  Originally posted by Metropolis
                  Blu-Ray, is an excellent technology which will really allow developers to make bigger games. But, how many developers are going to take advantage of this format is the question? Like Rod said, almost all multi platform games are being made (EA, 2KSports, etc.) on the 360 and then being ported over to the PS3.

                  Yes, companies like Square and Sony will take advantage of the blu ray. I just can't see this system being a success at $600+?
                  Metro, I see where you're coming from but my feeling is a little different WRT size of the games, most 100+ hour games use 1 DVD. Oblivion is a perfect example of this a huge massive game easily 100-200+ hours counting everything. Sony says where BR technology helps is creating beautiful worlds. That's where I have the problem with BR. Oblivion is absolutely beautiful in Hi-Def on the 360 so there goes Sony's argument for the storage capacity of BR to create these worlds.

                  As has been stated in the past my feeling where BR might help is with Final Fantasy or Metal Gear games that require major long drawn out cutscenes to push the game along.

                  As of right now the developers who have voiced their opinion on BR have said they have no use for it now. So that begs the question do we pay for a launch game on BR even though it can easily fit on a single dvd.

                  This is where I have a problem with Sony, having to buy something we don't need, but sadly have no choice other than not buying their product all together.

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                  • DXZeke
                    Straight Edge
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2538

                    #10
                    Re: PS3 cost..hints

                    Originally posted by cjonesfan921
                    That's why we wait until Sony reveals a price. All this is, is speculation. I'm hoping it comes in $400-$500 or I will go the other route. We will see what happens when Sony decides to release the price of the console.
                    Price...

                    Lets not forget... the console could launch at 400-500, but don't forget that they aren't adding in that REQUIRED hard drive to that price. NO WHERE do they mention in that article that the $599.99 is for the system and the HD.

                    Sony can make money off the hard drive by selling it for more than it's worth. They'd be STUPID not too. They need to make money back any way they can off of a 2 billion dollar hit.


                    As for the Blue Ray.
                    It won't make a huge deal for games right now. Late 2007 and beyond, quite possibly.

                    As for as movie playback goes. Only a select few of us lucky ones with an HDTV that has an HDMI port will be able too play blue ray movies. It i understand it correctly blue ray players and HD-DVD players will only play on HDTVs with HDMI slots. Correct? If that's the case, then saying it's a movie device just alienated about 350million people from watching movies on their TVs with their PS3.


                    **********************JUST READ*********************

                    In order too watch blue ray or HD-DVD movies you need an all digital signal aka HDMI slot.
                    It's used too protect content from being copied. The hope is that you'll be able too keep TV broadcasts from being copied. Say you want too tape the superbowl, they may make it so you can't watch it being taped on your DVR or a DVD.

                    For those of you with an HDTV and no HDMI slot.
                    Good news for you!!!
                    As it stands for the time being, you'll have to go out and buy a new TV!!!
                    Last edited by DXZeke; 04-09-2006, 11:29 AM.
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                    • CaptainZombie
                      Brains
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 37851

                      #11
                      Re: PS3 cost..hints

                      Originally posted by DXZeke
                      Price...

                      Lets not forget... the console could launch at 400-500, but don't forget that they aren't adding in that REQUIRED hard drive to that price. NO WHERE do they mention in that article that the $599.99 is for the system and the HD.

                      Sony can make money off the hard drive by selling it for more than it's worth. They'd be STUPID not too. They need to make money back any way they can off of a 2 billion dollar hit.


                      As for the Blue Ray.
                      It won't make a huge deal for games right now. Late 2007 and beyond, quite possibly.

                      As for as movie playback goes. Only a select few of us lucky ones with an HDTV that has an HDMI port will be able too play blue ray movies. It i understand it correctly blue ray players and HD-DVD players will only play on HDTVs with HDMI slots. Correct? If that's the case, then saying it's a movie device just alienated about 350million people from watching movies on their TVs with their PS3.
                      I think that you need the HDMI to run the blu-ray correct? So how does it affect those w/ an HDTV but no HDMI.
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                      • DXZeke
                        Straight Edge
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 2538

                        #12
                        Re: PS3 cost..hints

                        Originally posted by Metropolis
                        I think that you need the HDMI to run the blu-ray correct? So how does it affect those w/ an HDTV but no HDMI.
                        Answer is... currently... you'll be screwbold.
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                        • Peter_OS
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5088

                          #13
                          Re: PS3 cost..hints

                          The final price might be high initially, but as with any electronic equipment it will drop as time goes on, and the Blue Ray techonology becomes more main stream.

                          I can see those getting the PS3 initially to be hardcore fans of the system. And trust me there are a lot of these people.

                          If people can shell out and buy computer systems that average about say $1000, why can't we see this happening with a system price at half of what it would cost to get a top end computer??

                          The market is there and Sony will succeed.

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                          • DXZeke
                            Straight Edge
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 2538

                            #14
                            Re: PS3 cost..hints

                            Originally posted by Peter_OS
                            The final price might be high initially, but as with any electronic equipment it will drop as time goes on, and the Blue Ray techonology becomes more main stream.

                            I can see those getting the PS3 initially to be hardcore fans of the system. And trust me there are a lot of these people.

                            If people can shell out and buy computer systems that average about say $1000, why can't we see this happening with a system price at half of what it would cost to get a top end computer??

                            The market is there and Sony will succeed.
                            But what happens when over half of the hardcore don't have HDTV?
                            What about the ones that do but don't support HDMI for movies?

                            It's like most of the glamor of the PS3 isn't even their then.

                            They'll be able to play Video Games on SDTV with no ability to watch movies. I hope they enjoy their mega money purchase.
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                            • Peter_OS
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5088

                              #15
                              Re: PS3 cost..hints

                              A friend of mine in the video game business, told me that Sony decided to support the SDTV and current HDTV without HDMI with their Blue Ray player. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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