Oblivion to be re-rated M

[ExtremeGamer]

Since the main sticky thread is about the actual gameplay, this is about the re-rating of the game, I'm creating a new thread.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148897.html

[TJdaSportsGuy]

Re: Oblivion to be re-rated M

Since the main sticky thread is about the actual gameplay, this is about the re-rating of the game, I'm creating a new thread.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148897.html

Buncha old farts with nothing better to do...not like anyone was complaining about it, jeez! Hell, I didn't even KNOW about it.

[Cyros]

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Is it really that gory in the game?

[Klocker]

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oh geez


boobies... oh for the sake of "the children".... God forbid they see *gasp* ... boobies.

[mgoblue]

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all this is stupid...so if i hack Pokemon on the PC and create a nude Pikachu, then it should be rated M?

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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all this is stupid...so if i hack Pokemon on the PC and create a nude Pikachu, then it should be rated M?

If you own Pokemon on the PC, you shouldn't be allowed to post here anymore.

[Peter_OS]

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[mgoblue]

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If you own Pokemon on the PC, you shouldn't be allowed to post here anymore.

lol i don't, i'm not ExtremeGamer, give me some credit!

[Skerik]

Re: Oblivion to be re-rated M

Bethesda responds:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/704/704834p1.html

The ESRB has concluded that the game deserves a rating of Mature because: 1) partial nudity in the PC version of the game can be created by modders; and 2) the game contains excessive blood and gore that go beyond a Teen rating. The facts are as follows:

There is no nudity in Oblivion without a third party modification. In the PC version of the game only - this doesn't apply to the Xbox 360 version - some modders have used a third party tool to hack into and modify an art archive file to make it possible to create a mesh for a partially nude (topless) female that they add into the game. Bethesda didn't create a game with nudity and does not intend that nudity appear in Oblivion. There is no nude female character in a section of the game that can be "unlocked." Bethesda can not control tampering with Oblivion by third parties. Bethesda is taking steps to ensure that modders can not continue to hack into Oblivion's art archives to create partially nude figures.

With regard to violence, Bethesda advised the ESRB during the ratings process that violence and blood effects were "frequent" in the game - checking the box on the form that is the maximum warning. We further advised that the game contained occasional torture, vulgar acts, and gore. We gave accurate answers and descriptions about the type and frequency of violence that appears in the game. We submitted a 60-page document listing the explicit language, acts, and scenes in the game. Oblivion packaging already contains warnings for "Violence" and "Blood and Gore."

[Beantown]

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Oblivion?

What's that?

[burnwood]

Re: Oblivion to be re-rated M

What's the problem? If you are over 18 you should be able to buy the game right?

[dave360]

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If you go by the ESRB's ruling then shouldn't all PC games be rated M since you can mod textures in most any game? This is ridiculous.

[mudtiger]

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Beth's response is interesting

There is no nudity in Oblivion without a third party modification. In the PC version of the game only - this doesn't apply to the Xbox 360 version - some modders have used a third party tool to hack into and modify an art archive file to make it possible to create a mesh for a partially nude (topless) female that they add into the game. Bethesda didn't create a game with nudity and does not intend that nudity appear in Oblivion. There is no nude female character in a section of the game that can be "unlocked." Bethesda can not control tampering with Oblivion by third parties. Bethesda is taking steps to ensure that modders can not continue to hack into Oblivion's art archives to create partially nude figures.

My understanding was the topless mod simply went in and removed the bra texture to reveal the breasts, nipples and all, already there. I didn't think anyone originally created a mesh for the topless mod, it was already there once you dropped the bra.

In the end, I'd rather see the ESRB change the rating and Beth apologize than see senators and lawyers step in.

[goh]

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If that's the case I wonder how much fuss it would cause if Bethseda released it in the marketplace for 360.

[mudtiger]

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Seems to me Beth wasn't exactly truthful in it's earlier statement

some modders have used a third party tool to hack into and modify an art archive file to make it possible to create a mesh for a partially nude (topless) female that they add into the game. Bethesda didn't create a game with nudity and does not intend that nudity appear in Oblivion.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12627

"When we brought the topless female images to Bethesda Softworks' attention, they confirmed that the art file existed in a fully rendered form in the code on the game disc. The ESRB's investigation found that the mod allowed users to change the filename for the female character mesh in order to access the art file that was created by Bethesda. While true that a modification was required to access this file, the changes we implemented last year - expanding our disclosure rules to include locked-out content - were made to prevent these kinds of situations," Vance explained to GameDaily BIZ.

Like I thought, the nudity is already there, someone just needed to change the texture to reveal it. The modder did not create the texture/mesh as Beth seemed to indicate in it's first response.

As someone that has the topless mod, I fail to see how these cyber boobs are something Beth should be covering up (pun intended). It's not that big a deal for me personally considering the amount of killing and gore included, the boobs hardly push the game from a T rating to a M rating for me.

I don't get it, specially after the gta fiasco, you'd think Beth would have been smarter than this. Either put them in there and take the M rating, or remove them entirely.