Microsoft sides with Nintendo...

[SoMiss2000]

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I am not the type of person that buys more than one console. I can't justify spending $500+ on any console, so I just can't relate to the practice of spending close to $1k for two.

There you have it, you're a one console guy. Most here, aren't. The target demographic mostly consist of working adults who are able to afford more than one console.

[Jimplication]

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There you have it, you're a one console guy. Most here, aren't. The target demographic mostly consist of working adults who are able to afford more than one console.

Actually, I'm less than a one console guy, but that isn't a result of finances, but instead lack of interest and a desire to put my earnings towards more fulfilling ventures.

I don't necessarily agree that the majority here represents the average consumer that will be investing in a console(s) in the fall.

[mgoblue]

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I don't necessarily agree that the majority here represents the average consumer that will be investing in a console(s) in the fall.

I completely agree with you here, I think the average consumer will be much less likely to pay over 500 bucks for a console than we are. The more hardcore gamer (and all of us visit a website on gaming, therefore we're in the more hardcore section) have the desire to be more cutting edge, to be one of those "early adopters" of a technology. If a lot of people here are concerned about the price, I can't imagine what's going through Johnny Public's average consumer mind

[neovsmatrix]

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Doesn't more always mean better? People always want more for their dollar these days... 2 for 1 or 1 for 1?

Whose to say the PS3 is far more superior? Not me.. oooo weeee.. a Blu-Ray player! DVD's work fine for me. Oooo weee.. a 60gig HD for media storage and what not.. I already have a PC. Anyway, I don't think people would go out and buy BOTH a Wii and 360 at the same time, I believe it's more of a long-term deal.

So yes, I actually agree with the approach. My 2 cents.

I'm looking forward to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. I just hope the Blu-Ray aspect is implemented really well in the PS3, or else Sony's just shooting themselves in the foot by having it. It can't be just a sub-par player, it has to be a GOOD one with all the glitches worked out, or else it just won't be worth it. I'd rather buy a good $1000 player rather than a sub-par Blu-Ray implemenation in the PS3. Yeah, it can play games and HD movies, but if the HD movies don't play well, it's not much of a motivation for me to actually buy a PS3, especially when the console is priced for both, and it only does one function well. I can't imagine ANYONE who has a high-end TV settling for a lousy Blu-Ray player just for the sake of having a Blu-ray player that also can play games.

[Misfit]

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I completely agree with you here, I think the average consumer will be much less likely to pay over 500 bucks for a console than we are. The more hardcore gamer (and all of us visit a website on gaming, therefore we're in the more hardcore section) have the desire to be more cutting edge, to be one of those "early adopters" of a technology. If a lot of people here are concerned about the price, I can't imagine what's going through Johnny Public's average consumer mind

Videogames are more mainstream than you're giving them credit for. A lot of people who don't post here are into gaming enough to spend 5 or 600 dollars on a machine. I think it will mostly come down to brand loyalty, with cost and exclusive titles coming in after that. Hype will also play a role, if Sony and Nintendo can market their systems well that will certainly help. I felt Sony marketed the PS2 well, but not so much the PSP. I can't remember the ad campaign for the Gamecube.

The populace of this messageboard is mostly loyal to Microsoft and is strongly influenced by sports gaming. There are probably Pokemon boards with more posters than this one who are obviously loyal to Nintendo and most probably don't care about sports titles. And as we know, Pokemon for the Wii is not going to outsell Madden but if one were to make a judgement based on just the messageboards then Nintendo is going to move more units. Thats why using this board as a barometer for the performance of any of the consoles over the next few years isn't likely to be very effective.

[Triggerfish]

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Curious as to how much the stand alone Blu-Ray dvd's will cost? If it does catch on and is 4bills or more to buy...why not get a PS3?

[Jimplication]

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Curious as to how much the stand alone Blu-Ray dvd's will cost? If it does catch on and is 4bills or more to buy...why not get a PS3?

According to THIS site, they will retail initially for $1,000 and up, but the site also notes that prices are subject to change, as the technology isn't released yet.

I read an article today in US News that Merril Lynch estimates it will cost Sony nearly $900 to make each PS3, and will likely take several years of financial success to offset the production costs. I gather this is the norm for consoles, but was an interesting bit of information for me. At the time of publication, the article assumed a retail price of $500 or less, and the premium price of $599 will likely lessen the window of "recovery" a bit.

Personally, I forsee myself waiting until a "standard" medium is settled upon, and then I might invest in the console that supports that medium. That way, I'll get a gaming system and a high end media viewer with one purchase, but again, I am very reluctant to spend big bucks on gaming consoles currently.

[SoMiss2000]

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Actually, I'm less than a one console guy, but that isn't a result of finances, but instead lack of interest and a desire to put my earnings towards more fulfilling ventures.

Don't know why i'm getting into this, however, I didn't mean to imply that finances were an issue with you. It was more of people that are working adults who enjoy thier hobby don't mind forking over extra cash for multiple consoles.

[Heelfan71]

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Videogames are more mainstream than you're giving them credit for. A lot of people who don't post here are into gaming enough to spend 5 or 600 dollars on a machine. I think it will mostly come down to brand loyalty, with cost and exclusive titles coming in after that. Hype will also play a role, if Sony and Nintendo can market their systems well that will certainly help. I felt Sony marketed the PS2 well, but not so much the PSP. I can't remember the ad campaign for the Gamecube.

The populace of this messageboard is mostly loyal to Microsoft and is strongly influenced by sports gaming. There are probably Pokemon boards with more posters than this one who are obviously loyal to Nintendo and most probably don't care about sports titles. And as we know, Pokemon for the Wii is not going to outsell Madden but if one were to make a judgement based on just the messageboards then Nintendo is going to move more units. Thats why using this board as a barometer for the performance of any of the consoles over the next few years isn't likely to be very effective.

I have been on Sony message boards and even the FAQ'q sony board and you would be surprised at some of the loyal people bailing. I think it will sell well but the price alone eliminates a lot of people.

[burnwood]

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It's simple for me. Eliminate the HD-DVD/BluRay posturing and focus on games. Playing movies is a very low priority on my list as I enjoy playing games. When I want to watch a high def movie, I will A) download or TiVo it and play it back to my HDTV B) there is no b.

Physical formats (CDs and DVDs) are already being eliminated from the internet lifestyle with the iPod, Video iPod, and other types of downloadable content.

[Heelfan71]

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Sony cant' eliminate Blue Ray because they are the leading supporter of it. They have a ton of money invested in it.

[burnwood]

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Sony cant' eliminate Blue Ray because they are the leading supporter of it. They have a ton of money invested in it.

No, what I meant was I eliminate the high def player aspects and focus on games (and cost) to make my decision. I will not let a physical disk format to make me want one over the other.

[Klocker]

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No, what I meant was I eliminate the high def player aspects and focus on games (and cost) to make my decision. I will not let a physical disk format to make me want one over the other.

and this is exactly why I think sony made a mistake.

This is not DVD on the PS2 which was already gaining mainstream acceptance when it came out. this is a format (challenged by HD DVD) that is only going to be used by a minority with HDTV (let alone 1080p capable) for the next 4 years and Sony has invested their future in it.

The SONY movie business is what they were targeting IMO. PS3 to me was a trojan horse for Blu Ray movies and it may or may not work. right now I'm thinking they would have been geniuses to go MS's way and use DVD with Cell and RSX and sell the thing at $399 and sell an add on Blu Ray player (for those that actually want one).

MS would have been in a much tougher position

As it stands now MS is gaining huge momentum.

[CaptainZombie]

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and this is exactly why I think sony made a mistake.

This is not DVD on the PS2 which was already gaining mainstream acceptance when it came out. this is a format (challenged by HD DVD) that is only going to be used by a minority with HDTV (let alone 1080p capable) for the next 4 years and Sony has invested their future in it.

The SONY movie business is what they were targeting IMO. PS3 to me was a trojan horse for Blu Ray movies and it may or may not work. right now I'm thinking they would have been geniuses to go MS's way and use DVD with Cell and RSX and sell the thing at $399 and sell an add on Blu Ray player (for those that actually want one).

MS would have been in a much tougher position

As it stands now MS is gaining huge momentum.

I guess even if Blu Ray dies for movies, SONY + developers will have no choice but to still use it for the PS3.

I think Sony should have gone the MS route and added the Blu Ray as an add-on, but I guess we can just wait to see how all of this pans out.

[neovsmatrix]

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Curious as to how much the stand alone Blu-Ray dvd's will cost? If it does catch on and is 4bills or more to buy...why not get a PS3?

If the PS3's Blu-Ray is poorly implemented, i.e. it's just a sub-par player, it kind of defeats the purpose, IMHO of getting one. Of course, only time will tell how good the Blu-Ray player is on the PS3, so I'm definitely going to wait and read the reviews before making any decision on getting one.