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  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #1

    Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

    I’m starting to really feel burned out by next gen gaming and I think that there are many on here that would agree with me. I don’t know what it is anymore, but those $60 games just don’t look as appealing to me anymore. This 4-5 year console cycle has been the norm over the years, but we are getting to the age where it’s just about the graphics and no innovation in our gameplay. Why do I say that? My beloved XBOX 360 is an example of that and nothing against Microsoft, but the 360 has become the land of beefed up “pretty” ports, games that are just plain terrible, and a few gems.

    I still feel like the PS2 and XBOX still had some life left, but I can understand why MS had to release the 360 as they were losing tons of money on the XBOX due to bad contracts that they signed on the hardware. I’ll give Sony the benefit of the doubt here as their PS2 just celebrated 6 years on 10/26/06 here in the US and in Japan their heading towards 7 yrs. I’m not going to condone what they have done with the “Frankenstation 3”, and yes, that’s what I’ll be calling it from now on, the “Frankenstation 3”. Sony has gone way over their heads here trying to push technology that the public is not ready for or even their pocket books aren’t ready for.

    Let’s look at the PS3 launch line-up, oh my, I see “PortCity Part 2”. There are only 2-3 titles on that list that are original IP’s, and the rest are titles that we have either played on the 360 with a few tweaks fixing any issues in the 360 versions. And rumor has it that 3rd party games may cost $69, the consumer will really have a hard time trying to buy more than 1 title.

    When we went from the NES to the SNES, SNES to the GC, GC to the N64, and PS1 to the PS2 you didn’t have ports being released on the new system. Now that we are moving towards next gen, it shows to me and maybe to many that Microsoft and Sony really weren’t prepared for a next gen system. You have game companies taking what they had on the XBOX/PS2 for the 360 launch and then they decide to just “pretty” up the graphics (with some games they ended up not even looking good when ported over), provide less features in many of the games compared to last gen (especially with sports titles), and no real innovation to the gameplay. I’m seeing the same thing with the PS3, their getting what we have been playing on the 360 for the last year in a prettier, tweaked up version and possibly be paying $70 a title.

    So far, there have been a few titles imo with the 360 that have been innovative, but there are way too many games that are just ported over from the XBOX/PS2. Games like Oblivion, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 have shown what can be done if these companies put their time and money where it should be at.

    As much as I like the XBOX Live Marketplace, I think that Microsoft really needs to start placing some type of regulations with what these companies can release on there content wise. The biggest offender so far has to be ELECTRONIC ARTS. It started with them charging to purchase uniforms and stadiums with Madden NFL 07. It gets me as all of these features/items are available in current gen games, but they are going to make sure that they can squeeze an extra buck on the Marketplace. Then to take things further, take a look at what they did with Need For Speed Carbon on the MP. They have placed content on there where if someone were to buy it all, they would be spending an extra $50. OUCH! I can see if developers are releasing more maps or tracks in a package where you can get 6 more race tracks or missions as an add-on, then I can see spending the money. Not to spend $1 to buy a vehicle. I’m sorry, these vehicles should be a $.25 or $.50 each, if they were to release more cars people would buy at that price.

    I’m hinging next week on the release of Gears of War; I’m just hoping that the game is not a disappointment. If GOW does not live up to expectations, I feel like next gen game quality wise will have a really hard time getting off the ground. It almost makes many of us feel like we could have stuck with the good old XBOX/PS2 combo for another year or two since all these companies are doing is porting the same game to next gen with prettier graphics.

    I think my last hope right now has to be that Gears of War turns out to be really good next week and that the Nintendo Wii does deliver with what they are trying to achieve, bringing back gameplay to the market. As a gamer, I am really frightened where this could possibly lead if these companies continue to go down this path. It happened once already and history tends to repeat itself as humans we don’t always learn all our lessons from mistakes. As DXZeke and I were talking last night, we could see the Videogame Crash of 2007/2008 as we did with Atari and it took Nintendo to bring back the masses to the gaming world.

    Sorry for the long rant, but I’ve been feeling like this for quite sometime.
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  • ExtremeGamer
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    • Jul 2002
    • 35299

    #2
    Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

    You've said this before.

    There isn't going to be a videogame crash. The PS3 is going to sell like hotcakes and eventually pass the 360 in sales. The games are still selling. I don't buy nearly what I did when the 360 launched because back then I was looking for reasons to own it, now I have them in several games and I'm quite happy with my current titles.

    The Wii will not beat the 360 or PS3, not gonna happen. Will it put a dent into them, yep, and will beat the PS3 early on only because of Supply.

    People are graphics whores, and too many people have credit cards, based on that, there will be no crash and games/systems will continue to fly off the shelves.

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    • Meatball

      #3
      Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

      I feel like its a combination of a lot of things like, us the consumers expecting too much too soon and software companies like EA taking advantage. Also the 360 was pretty much rushed out the door.

      I'm on my 3rd 360 and this one now is starting to act funny. I'm almost burned out with gaming and I don't even play that much.

      I'm honestly thinking of selling my 360, the accessories and my games and doing without a system(PS3) until next spring or fall. Yeah, that's pretty much unheard of for me.
      Last edited by Guest; 11-03-2006, 12:18 PM.

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      • RoyalBoyle78
        Aka."Footballforever"
        • May 2003
        • 23918

        #4
        Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

        Originally posted by candyman56
        I’m starting to really feel burned out by next gen gaming and I think that there are many on here that would agree with me. I don’t know what it is anymore, but those $60 games just don’t look as appealing to me anymore. This 4-5 year console cycle has been the norm over the years, but we are getting to the age where it’s just about the graphics and no innovation in our gameplay. Why do I say that? My beloved XBOX 360 is an example of that and nothing against Microsoft, but the 360 has become the land of beefed up “pretty” ports, games that are just plain terrible, and a few gems.

        I still feel like the PS2 and XBOX still had some life left, but I can understand why MS had to release the 360 as they were losing tons of money on the XBOX due to bad contracts that they signed on the hardware. I’ll give Sony the benefit of the doubt here as their PS2 just celebrated 6 years on 10/26/06 here in the US and in Japan their heading towards 7 yrs. I’m not going to condone what they have done with the “Frankenstation 3”, and yes, that’s what I’ll be calling it from now on, the “Frankenstation 3”. Sony has gone way over their heads here trying to push technology that the public is not ready for or even their pocket books aren’t ready for.

        Let’s look at the PS3 launch line-up, oh my, I see “PortCity Part 2”. There are only 2-3 titles on that list that are original IP’s, and the rest are titles that we have either played on the 360 with a few tweaks fixing any issues in the 360 versions. And rumor has it that 3rd party games may cost $69, the consumer will really have a hard time trying to buy more than 1 title.

        When we went from the NES to the SNES, SNES to the GC, GC to the N64, and PS1 to the PS2 you didn’t have ports being released on the new system. Now that we are moving towards next gen, it shows to me and maybe to many that Microsoft and Sony really weren’t prepared for a next gen system. You have game companies taking what they had on the XBOX/PS2 for the 360 launch and then they decide to just “pretty” up the graphics (with some games they ended up not even looking good when ported over), provide less features in many of the games compared to last gen (especially with sports titles), and no real innovation to the gameplay. I’m seeing the same thing with the PS3, their getting what we have been playing on the 360 for the last year in a prettier, tweaked up version and possibly be paying $70 a title.

        So far, there have been a few titles imo with the 360 that have been innovative, but there are way too many games that are just ported over from the XBOX/PS2. Games like Oblivion, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 have shown what can be done if these companies put their time and money where it should be at.

        As much as I like the XBOX Live Marketplace, I think that Microsoft really needs to start placing some type of regulations with what these companies can release on there content wise. The biggest offender so far has to be ELECTRONIC ARTS. It started with them charging to purchase uniforms and stadiums with Madden NFL 07. It gets me as all of these features/items are available in current gen games, but they are going to make sure that they can squeeze an extra buck on the Marketplace. Then to take things further, take a look at what they did with Need For Speed Carbon on the MP. They have placed content on there where if someone were to buy it all, they would be spending an extra $50. OUCH! I can see if developers are releasing more maps or tracks in a package where you can get 6 more race tracks or missions as an add-on, then I can see spending the money. Not to spend $1 to buy a vehicle. I’m sorry, these vehicles should be a $.25 or $.50 each, if they were to release more cars people would buy at that price.

        I’m hinging next week on the release of Gears of War; I’m just hoping that the game is not a disappointment. If GOW does not live up to expectations, I feel like next gen game quality wise will have a really hard time getting off the ground. It almost makes many of us feel like we could have stuck with the good old XBOX/PS2 combo for another year or two since all these companies are doing is porting the same game to next gen with prettier graphics.

        I think my last hope right now has to be that Gears of War turns out to be really good next week and that the Nintendo Wii does deliver with what they are trying to achieve, bringing back gameplay to the market. As a gamer, I am really frightened where this could possibly lead if these companies continue to go down this path. It happened once already and history tends to repeat itself as humans we don’t always learn all our lessons from mistakes. As DXZeke and I were talking last night, we could see the Videogame Crash of 2007/2008 as we did with Atari and it took Nintendo to bring back the masses to the gaming world.

        Sorry for the long rant, but I’ve been feeling like this for quite sometime.
        I'm so suprised that I haven't let myself get caught up in this next-gen war,maybe because I'm caring less, I haven't even had the money to even but freaking splinter cell, I want that ame bad, my issues are famliy, thats why money has been tight. I could give a little rabbit crap about the PS3DO, I think it will not be as good as some are making it out to be, I'm not for one company, but I love my 360 and thats all I need and want. I think the PS3 is really beyond our time with there system thats companys are going to get sick of making games for it, the should have used the blueray with the PS4 not the Ps3..I will stay far away from it...I'm not jumping ship like I have been seeing others stat blindly in there comments latley, I have seen guys who were all for the 360 and loved it so much taking little spike blows at microsoft thats it make me laugh, not you candy, just been seeing that latley with others. So we will see soon in the end wich system will last and be the better one. Game on.
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        • jrivera34
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1296

          #5
          Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

          Video games are more popular than ever and I don't see sales going down anytime soon. But I do agree that the "Next Gen" of video games is a bunch of crap. 75% (if not more) of these games could have been made on the original XBox. Microsoft had to one up Sony because they new the PS3 would blow away the original XBox in terms of power and then they would have no chance at being number 1 in the market.

          At the end of the day, I think Sony will still be on top and solely by it's name alone. Many people associate video games with the "Playstation" name and I don't think that will change in this cycle of consoles. Microsoft is taking bites here and there trying to be the top dog, will they succeed? Only time will tell. But video games are here to stay.

          I will say though with the cost of these system, I will only own one at a time. I currently have a 360, but if I hear and see great things from Sony, I may jump ship and sell my 360 on eBay. But I think I have at least a year before I make that decision.
          Last edited by jrivera34; 11-03-2006, 12:28 PM.

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          • CaptainZombie
            Brains
            • Jul 2003
            • 37851

            #6
            Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

            Originally posted by FootballForever
            I'm so suprised that I haven't let myself get caught up in this next-gen war,maybe because I'm caring less, I haven't even had the money to even but freaking splinter cell, I want that ame bad, my issues are famliy, thats why money has been tight. I could give a little rabbit crap about the PS3DO, I think it will not be as good as some are making it out to be, I'm not for one company, but I love my 360 and thats all I need and want. I think the PS3 is really beyond our time with there system thats companys are going to get sick of making games for it, the should have used the blueray with the PS4 not the Ps3..I will stay far away from it...I'm not jumping ship like I have been seeing others stat blindly in there comments latley, I have seen guys who were all for the 360 and loved it so much taking little spike blows at microsoft thats it make me laugh, not you candy, just been seeing that latley with others. So we will see soon in the end wich system will last and be the better one. Game on.
            I'm not trying to take pot shots at MS, but I think my ranting is geared towards the game developers. They really need to start stepping up with the games imo. If we continue to get next gen games like Madden 07 or NBA Live 07, we are all in heaps of trouble.

            I think too that Extreme took my entire post the wrong way, as I never once said anything about Nintendo coming out on top here. I almost do feel like this could be a scary time with videogames, if Sony ends up failing due to the PS3 possibly not being successful? I never said that a videogame crash is going to happen, but you can't be naive to the fact that console gaming could see some trouble ahead in the future.
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            • Money99
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2002
              • 12695

              #7
              Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

              Good posts from everyone.
              It's true that game company's lack any kind of originality. But it doesn't seem to stop the buying spree.
              Look at Gears of War. This game is basically Halo (which is basically some other game before it) with better graphics and a chainsaw at the end of the gun. But people (even me) can't wait for it.
              And then look at a game like Fight Night Round3. It doesn't even have freaking RANKINGS! Evander Holyfield boxing on the Genesis had rankings but this next gen game doesn't???

              Games are big money and there's lots of competition out there. Producers are trying to package a game as fast as possible to get as much money as possible.
              It's the way it is. But like the other members here have stated, consoles and games will continue to sell like hotcakes. I'm not big on the PS3 either but we all know it's going to sell like mad - especially in Japan.

              I'm happy with my 360 because I'm a big hockey fan. And NHL07 is the most enjoyable hockey game I've played in years so I feel it's worth the purchase. After that I'm looking forward to GoW, RAinbow 6:Vegas and SUperman returns. After that, everything else is a good rental.

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              • Pujols91
                Pro
                • Apr 2006
                • 559

                #8
                Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                I think after this next wave of titles (COD3, RB6, GoW and so on) Next Gen Gaming will really get going.

                Up to now it's been good but not great like I and most people maybe expected.
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                • pk500
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 8062

                  #9
                  Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                  Candyman:

                  I understand your fatigue, and I haven't even joined the next gen. But I did sell my Xbox and all accessories and games, and canceled my Xbox Live account in the last month.

                  I bought a DS Lite for the sheer simplicity and fun of the games, and the lack of expense of the system and games compared to the next-gen machines.

                  No regrets whatsoever so far.

                  Take care,
                  PK
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                  • SageInfinite
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 11896

                    #10
                    Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                    I think people just have high expectations, could be some of our own faults or the media and companies hyping games up. I think its a combination of both.
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                    • SLAYER
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                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1915

                      #11
                      Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                      It's old-school, but it's true: vote with your dollars.
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                      • fishepa
                        I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 18989

                        #12
                        Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                        Originally posted by SLAYER
                        It's old-school, but it's true: vote with your dollars.
                        Not gonna happen.

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                        • Bobolini
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 813

                          #13
                          Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                          The last game I bought for my xbox (current gen) was NCAA 07. I didn't enjoy it and traded it in for Madden 07 for the PC. I now play MVP 2005, Tiger Woods 06, and Madden 07 all on the PC. I love that all these have the ability for mods of some type to allow for variability. I will not purchase Live 07 for the PC because I've heard too much negativity. I'm looking for a 06 version right now.

                          What I've essentially done is revert back to PC sports games and for mod-ability plus graphics it blows an Xbox away. Refreshing mods almost give it a new feel and leads to longevity. The negative is no true college sports but how many of you can play Rome: Total War on your Xbox?

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                          • GP Mercy
                            Pro
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 839

                            #14
                            Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                            I think next-gen is going to revolutionize the gaming world. These games are unreal. They have stepped in the business at the right time. However, just because a game is "next-gen" doesn't mean it is perfect. Some of the greatest games I have played have had flaws. When EA Sports release crap like Madden and Live, I begin to question the stability of EA Sports, not MS or Sony. It is the game companies that are responsible for making quality titles that own up the $60 price tag.

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                            • rudyjuly2
                              Cade Cunningham
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 14815

                              #15
                              Re: Next Gen Consoles – Way too soon or Signs of Failure?

                              I agree with Candyman. I don't see next gen doing anything special other than a graphical update. Sure the onus is on the game companies more but the development costs on games has increased tremendously over the years. Just thinking about a game costs you $50,000. The online costs also add a lot of money.

                              The sheer cost of a next gen system will make it a very slow generation imo. I truly believe a system isn't accepted by the masses until it drops to $199 (or less) and that's quite a while off. Sure all the hardcore gamers run out and get a new system. Its not hard to sell 5 million units. It will be very hard to sell 50 million units this time around, particularly with the added competition. (Both PS1 and PS2 sold over 100 million).

                              The other thing working against next gen is that people are still relatively happy with current gen. The PS2 is still outselling the 360. Those same people probably aren't rushing out to get a next gen system anytime soon. When I first saw Madden on the PS2, my PS1 days were over. I don't feel that way this time and I think a lot of other people feel the same. We're not rushing to get a new system and we certainly don't want to pay some of these high prices. Eventually we will all get a next gen machine but as long as they keep supporting the PS2 (which would be smart), I'm in no hurry to fork over $700-$800 in hardware, controllers, and games.

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