Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #16
    Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

    Originally posted by Crimsontide27
    Here is my perspective on things.... and I own all 3 systems.

    The 360 launched without an impressive lineup of launch titles. There were a few good ones in there, but most werent that impressive.

    This fostered a wait and see approach to see what the other consoles would do.
    I remember watching the "target video" for Madden 06 and being blown away. It was said the game was better than even the video. However, when Madden 06 was released, it was pure **** period. I now realized that it would be better off to take a wait and see approach, before buying a product due to marketing.

    So now we have the 360 released with alot of hype, and not much to back it up.

    Fast forward a few months and boards are filled with topics about 360s breaking down. Many considered this a troll topic, but eventually people realized these werent bogus topics and 360s were breaking down at an unusually high rate. Never before had a console been this defective when launched.

    Xbox live arcade has really taken off and doing well. I know more people that pay and download arcade games, as opposed to buying the $60 games in stores.

    Another main issue is ports.... I dont mind ports if they are upgraded, significantly better etc....but once again we can look to EA sports and their games. They released newer games that have LESS features than their current gen counterparts. The older gen plays better and has more features, next gen plays like crap and they charge you for extras. Its a no brainer...lack of quality titles has hurt this system.

    Fast forward to today. I think there are a good number of great titles for the 360, but that wasnt always the case. The longer it took the 360 to become more " next gen", the closer the launch of the ps3 and Wii became.

    With the release of the Wii and PS3 looming right over the horizion, I would be leery on purchasing a console until I could see what the others brought to the table.

    This weekend we have seen the release of the last 2 consoles for this console war. Many gamers were holding out for the ps3 like the coming of Jesus. Sony has a great fanbase and marketing to boot. All the videos from e3, all the technical jargon that no one really understands...looked impressive.

    However with the ps3 controller in hand in front of my TV, I have to ask myself why I paid $690 for a black dust magnet. The launch lineup is horrible.
    Resistance is the only game that could be considered a good game that isnt already on the 360. Each game that is already on the 360 not only looks better, but plays better too. The days of many multiple exclusives are drawing to a close, many of the same games that will be on 360 will be on the ps3...now that we see the ports are actually worse than the 360, the ps3 just becomes an expensive paperweight. The much hyped blu ray Dvd is nothing to be happy about. You can run a blu ray and a regular dvd side by side on the same TV and not notice a difference. If dont believe me, go to Best buy where there is a display of Blu ray vs standard DVD and look at the TV settings. One TV will have contrast and brightness up, one will be down.
    This solidifies the fact that only through deceptive marketing, does the Blu ray or HD-DVD really make much of a visual difference.

    This brings me to the Wii. I never expected much from the system at all. However, I have been proven wrong. While I dont think some of the games are that great, I never anticipated my room being filled with friends for hours just on Wii sports. With their downloadable games from NES+, their new remote system etc...I see Wii doing extremely well.

    Before this weekend I would have predicted the console wars to go PS3 > 360 > Wii. However after the results of this weekend, coupled with impressions of the PS3 and Wii...., I think it will be Wii > 360 > PS3.

    Actually I dont think the Wii is really competing with either system. It appeals to a complete different demographic. So the true next gen war is between 360 and ps3.

    Unless the ps3 has a drastic price drop, improves their game title selection, redoes their entire online experience...I just dont see it winning anything.

    Look at current prices of the ps3 on ebay now. Yesterday they were selling for 2500, now you can put them on their for 1000 buyout and they wont sell.
    This is huge if you think about it. There is still the limited supply, its just people dont want it anymore. They have seen what it has to offer, and its nothing that hasnt been offered for over a year already.

    Now that all 3 systems are out, I believe we will see where the war will end up. The ps3 and 360 have to compete against each other, the Wii doesnt.
    With the abysmal launch of the ps3, people have seen through the smoke screen.

    360 sales will pick up, dont worry.
    Very nice post.
    HDMovie Room

    Comment

    • HMcCoy
      All Star
      • Jan 2003
      • 8212

      #17
      Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

      Agree, nice breakdown. I got a chance to play the Wii, and I gotta admit, I stood there with a real stuupid grin on my face when I was done. I dunno if i'll get one or not, but really hope that thing gets alot of dev support. Different is good.

      Back to the 360, their Euro marketing has kicked into high gear according to some things i've read. I thin it was really smart to wait until the PS3 was out before really going balls-out on their marketing, so its not being compared to a myth. Now that people see that as a VIDO GAME SYSTEM, its about the same, MS can roll out the big guns and compare their product system-to-sytem instead of instead of system-to-hype.
      Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

      Comment

      • TopDog
        Rookie
        • Jul 2002
        • 484

        #18
        Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

        Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
        Not sure how the 360 hasn't been a success, when they've sold over 7 million consoles worldwide in it's 1st year. Accessories have been flying of shelves. The 360 will be available this holiday season, while the PS3 basically will be non-existent. Leaving only the Wii as it's major competitor.

        The 360 has seen the BEST titles ever in a 1 year Launch Period of any console. In a couple of days Microsoft will be launching that Entertainment Download Service. I personally think Microsoft has a gr-8 job year-1. Not to mention the addition of some gr-8 features via the Fall Update.

        Have enjoyed my experience with the 360 & still have my Launch System which was born on 10/27/05
        Agreed. I'm kind of excited about Wednesday to see what all is offered. It all depends on the price point. I doubt I will be buying much of any TV shows to watch, but i'll probably check out a movie or two in HD to see how good they look.

        Is there a site out yet that shows the available titles and prices, or is it a wait and see on Wednesday?

        Comment

        • LIGHTNING
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1610

          #19
          Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

          The XBOX 360 has been a huge success considering it is so expensive. Microsoft has shipped over 6 million units since launch.

          The PS3 will probably not get over 30 million before 2010. Sony may decide to give up and allow Microsoft to dominate. They do not have enough money to compete long term.

          Comment

          • Dondadda
            MVP
            • Sep 2003
            • 1204

            #20
            Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

            Here's why I haven't picked up a 360 yet (and money is not a problem for me):

            1. Doesn't exceed the original XBOX in performance significantly, aside from a few exceptions;
            2. Too high of a defect rate - I don't want to deal with that problem;
            3. Even if it doesn work perfectly, it is too loud;
            4. Due to the overheating issue, I would have to purchase an intercooler - not something that has me terribly excited;
            5. No NFL 2K5 backwards compatibility - even considering the above problems, I'd buy a 360 in a NY second if NFL 2K5 was playable (and online) for it;
            6. In reality, has the least bang-for-the-buck when compared to the Wii and the PS3.

            I still may buy a 360 in the future, but these are the reasons why I haven't bought one yet. I plan to buy a single next-gen console, and quite frankly, I'm not excited about any of them! Playing my PSP has me more amped than the idea of investing in a 360, Wii, or PS3 right now.
            Been gaming since the Atari 2600, and hells no I won't stop!!!

            Comment

            • Dondadda
              MVP
              • Sep 2003
              • 1204

              #21
              Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

              Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
              Not sure how the 360 hasn't been a success, when they've sold over 7 million consoles worldwide in it's 1st year. Accessories have been flying of shelves. The 360 will be available this holiday season, while the PS3 basically will be non-existent. Leaving only the Wii as it's major competitor.

              The 360 has seen the BEST titles ever in a 1 year Launch Period of any console. In a couple of days Microsoft will be launching that Entertainment Download Service. I personally think Microsoft has a gr-8 job year-1. Not to mention the addition of some gr-8 features via the Fall Update.

              Have enjoyed my experience with the 360 & still have my Launch System which was born on 10/27/05
              I strongly disagree with what you said about the 1-year launch window and 360 having the "best" titles. Both XBOX and PS2 had many more top-notch titles within the first year of their releases, and I'd probably put the DC 1-year library over the 360's. I have been disapointed, big time, with the lack of breakthrough games available on the 360 in its first year.

              I think that the next-gen "war" is truly up in the air right now. Won't really be decided until fall 2007, when all 3 consoles are readily available.
              Been gaming since the Atari 2600, and hells no I won't stop!!!

              Comment

              • Erv
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2105

                #22
                Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
                Not sure how the 360 hasn't been a success, when they've sold over 7 million consoles worldwide in it's 1st year. Accessories have been flying of shelves. The 360 will be available this holiday season, while the PS3 basically will be non-existent. Leaving only the Wii as it's major competitor.

                The 360 has seen the BEST titles ever in a 1 year Launch Period of any console. In a couple of days Microsoft will be launching that Entertainment Download Service. I personally think Microsoft has a gr-8 job year-1. Not to mention the addition of some gr-8 features via the Fall Update.

                Have enjoyed my experience with the 360 & still have my Launch System which was born on 10/27/05
                It certainly can't touch the PS2's or DC's first years, look them up if you have to.

                Comment

                • CaptainZombie
                  Brains
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 37851

                  #23
                  Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                  Originally posted by Dondadda
                  I strongly disagree with what you said about the 1-year launch window and 360 having the "best" titles. Both XBOX and PS2 had many more top-notch titles within the first year of their releases, and I'd probably put the DC 1-year library over the 360's. I have been disapointed, big time, with the lack of breakthrough games available on the 360 in its first year.

                  I think that the next-gen "war" is truly up in the air right now. Won't really be decided until fall 2007, when all 3 consoles are readily available.
                  I'm sorry guys, but people keep on forgetting the system that had the best Launch titles + a very good first year of innovative games...................

                  SEGA DREAMCAST
                  HDMovie Room

                  Comment

                  • Pete1210
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3277

                    #24
                    Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                    Originally posted by Dondadda
                    Here's why I haven't picked up a 360 yet (and money is not a problem for me):

                    1. Doesn't exceed the original XBOX in performance significantly, aside from a few exceptions;
                    2. Too high of a defect rate - I don't want to deal with that problem;
                    3. Even if it doesn work perfectly, it is too loud;
                    4. Due to the overheating issue, I would have to purchase an intercooler - not something that has me terribly excited;
                    5. No NFL 2K5 backwards compatibility - even considering the above problems, I'd buy a 360 in a NY second if NFL 2K5 was playable (and online) for it;
                    6. In reality, has the least bang-for-the-buck when compared to the Wii and the PS3.

                    I still may buy a 360 in the future, but these are the reasons why I haven't bought one yet. I plan to buy a single next-gen console, and quite frankly, I'm not excited about any of them! Playing my PSP has me more amped than the idea of investing in a 360, Wii, or PS3 right now.
                    1. False. Compare the hardware. For HDTV owners the graphics are significantly improved. The enhancements to the xbox live service are significant and too many to list.
                    2. True, but I think it has settled down.
                    3. I only notice the noise when initially loading a disc. I do not notice noise from the console when gaming or watching a movie.
                    4. False. Never use any external cooling and my 360 does not overheat.
                    5. True. That's one reason I kept my xbox.
                    6. Opinion.

                    Comment

                    • spankdatazz22
                      All Star
                      • May 2003
                      • 6219

                      #25
                      Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                      Originally posted by candyman56
                      I'm sorry guys, but people keep on forgetting the system that had the best Launch titles + a very good first year of innovative games...................

                      SEGA DREAMCAST
                      I agree wholeheartedly. The Dreamcast had by far the best launch lineup of quality games, and had a very strong first year with great sports titles, games covering pretty much every genre well, and innovative games thrown in to boot. Sad that Sony was successfully able to get people to hold off purchasing the DC. That and EA's lack of support killed it. The DC had the best year one offering of any of those mentioned.

                      I think the 360 has done very well. With this gen of machines I think it's going to take people a lot longer to buy into getting one - mainly because of the price. DVD breaking into the market was a huge factor for the PS2's popularity the first go round; people aren't buying Sony's hype that they need blu-ray asap so I think it's going to have a lot tougher go round this time. The games for the Playstation should be a lot stronger next year, but it's going to take them a lot longer to get their footing with the machine's price hovering over $500+. Microsoft's also done a great job at leveling the exclusivity playing field, so important games like GTA will release at the same time. Right now it seems it's Sony that's getting the late releases/rehashes whereas that tag was on the XBox before
                      HBO's "The Wire" should rank as one of the top 10 shows EVER on tv - period

                      XBL gamertag: d0meBreaker22 (that's a zero)

                      congrats Steelers, city of Pittsburgh, and Steeler Nation - SIX TIME WORLD CHAMPS

                      Comment

                      • Rodster
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 5709

                        #26
                        Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                        One of the craziest DC games was Seaman.

                        Comment

                        • Cebby
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 22327

                          #27
                          Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                          Originally posted by mike95
                          1. False. Compare the hardware. For HDTV owners the graphics are significantly improved. The enhancements to the xbox live service are significant and too many to list.
                          Unfortunately for console stans, most people don't own HDTVs.

                          I agree wholeheartedly. The Dreamcast had by far the best launch lineup of quality games, and had a very strong first year with great sports titles, games covering pretty much every genre well, and innovative games thrown in to boot. Sad that Sony was successfully able to get people to hold off purchasing the DC. That and EA's lack of support killed it. The DC had the best year one offering of any of those mentioned.

                          To be fair, Sega did most of that to themselves with their horrible, horrible American support of the Saturn. From price, to games, to support, they mismanaged that system in every way, and you can't just forget about it in 2 years.

                          And technically, most of the DC's first year games that people think of didn't really come out until the second year. And on the same hand, the PS2's first year was pretty damn good, with solid launch titles like SSX, Madden 01, and Time Splitters, and top teir games at the end like DMN, GTA3, GT3, and MGS2.

                          Comment

                          • AuburnAlumni
                            War Eagle
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 11939

                            #28
                            Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                            Lack of quality games for the 360?

                            I'm gonna go broke buying all of the great games out right now.

                            NBA 2k7
                            Ghost Recon
                            Rainbow Six
                            Gears of War
                            Oblivion
                            Call of Duty 3
                            NCAA Football
                            Splinter Cell
                            Battlefield: Modern Combat
                            Fight Night

                            Plus XBox live Arcade, TONS of demos out weekly, etc.

                            What more do you need?

                            And on a 60" HDTV..this system is INSANELY beautiful.
                            AUBURN TIGERS
                            MINNESOTA VIKINGS
                            INDIANA PACERS

                            Comment

                            • Rodster
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 5709

                              #29
                              Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                              Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
                              Lack of quality games for the 360?

                              I'm gonna go broke buying all of the great games out right now.

                              NBA 2k7
                              Ghost Recon
                              Rainbow Six
                              Gears of War
                              Oblivion
                              Call of Duty 3
                              NCAA Football
                              Splinter Cell
                              Battlefield: Modern Combat
                              Fight Night

                              Plus XBox live Arcade, TONS of demos out weekly, etc.

                              What more do you need?

                              And on a 60" HDTV..this system is INSANELY beautiful.
                              No fake Auburn, yesterday I bought GoW, RB6, VP. Last week I bought a PS3 and this Friday I'm buying a Wii and Zelda.

                              Comment

                              • dubplate
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 3783

                                #30
                                Re: Why hasn't the 360 been a big success?

                                Originally posted by candyman56
                                I'm sorry guys, but people keep on forgetting the system that had the best Launch titles + a very good first year of innovative games...................

                                SEGA DREAMCAST

                                Very true. I'd put the 360 at number 2.

                                Comment

                                Working...