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  • backbreaker
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    • Jul 2002
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    PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

    This is just a tidbit of the info, don't know if it is old or not, I just know PS3 info will be revealed at the games developers conference. I know its just vapor ware at this time, and years away or just a ploy to get MS to tip its hand and 1 up them you never know these days. here's the read.

    Sony chip could transform video-game industry
    TECHNOLOGY ENVISIONS ALL-IN-ONE BOX FOR HOME
    By Dean Takahashi
    Mercury News

    Sony's next-generation video-game console, due in just two years, will
    feature a revolutionary architecture that will allow it to pack the
    processing power of a hundred of today's personal computers on a single
    chip and tap the resources of additional computers using high-speed
    network connections.

    If key technical hurdles are overcome, the ``cell microprocessor''
    technology, described in a patent Sony quietly secured in September,
    could help the Japanese electronics giant achieve the industry's holy
    grail: a cheap, all-in-one box for the home that can record television
    shows, surf the Net in 3-D, play music and run movie-like video games.

    Besides the PlayStation 3 game console, Sony and its partners, IBM and
    Toshiba, hope to use the same basic chip design -- which organizes small
    groups of microprocessors to work together like bees in a hive -- for a
    range of computing devices, from tiny handheld personal digital
    assistants to the largest corporate servers.

    If the partners succeed in crafting such a modular, all-purpose chip,
    it would challenge the dominance of Intel and other chip makers that
    make specialized chips for each kind of electronic device.

    ``This is a new class of beast,'' said Richard Doherty, an analyst at
    the Envisioneering Group in Seaford, N.Y. ``There is nothing like this
    project when it comes to how far-reaching it will be.''

    Game industry insiders became aware of Sony's patent in the past few
    weeks, and the technology is expected to be a hot topic at the Game
    Developers Conference in San Jose this week. Since it can take a couple
    of years to write a game for a new system, developers will be pressing
    Sony and its rivals for technical details of their upcoming boxes, which
    are scheduled to debut in 2005.

    Ken Kutaragi, head of Sony's game division and mastermind of the
    company's last two game boxes, is betting that in an era of networked
    devices, many distributed processors working together will be able to
    outperform a single processor, such as the Pentium chip at the heart of
    most PCs.

    With the PS 3, Sony will apparently put 72 processors on a single chip:
    eight PowerPC microprocessors, each of which controls eight auxiliary
    processors.

    Using sophisticated software to manage the workload, the PowerPC
    processors will divide complicated problems into smaller tasks and tap
    as many of the auxiliary processors as necessary to tackle them.

    ``The cell processors won't work alone,'' Doherty said. ``They will
    work in teams to handle the tasks at hand, no matter whether it is
    processing a video game or communications.''

    As soon as each processor or team finishes its job, it will be
    immediately redeployed to do something else.

    Such complex, on-the-fly coordination is a technical challenge, and not
    just for Sony. Game developers warn that the cell chips do so many
    things at once that it could be a nightmare writing programs for them --
    the same complaint they originally had about the PlayStation 2, Sony's
    current game console.

    Tim Sweeney, chief executive of Epic Games in Raleigh, N.C., said that
    programming games for the PS 3 will be far more complicated than for the
    PS 2 because the programmer will have to keep track of all the tasks
    being performed by dozens of processors.

    ``I can't imagine how you will actually program it,'' he said. ``You do
    all these tasks in parallel, but the results of one task may affect the
    results of another task.''

    But Sony and its partners believe that if they can coordinate those
    processors at maximum efficiency, the PS 3 will be able to process a
    trillion math operations per second -- the equivalent of 100 Intel
    Pentium 4 chips and 1,000 times faster than processing power of the PS
    2.

    That kind of power would likely enable the PS 3 to simultaneously
    handle a wide range of electronic tasks in the home. For example, the
    kids might be able to race each other in a Grand Prix video game while
    Dad records an episode of ``The Simpsons.''

    ``The home server and the PS 3 may be the same thing,'' said Kunitake
    Ando, president and chief operating officer of Sony, at a recent dinner
    in Las Vegas.

    Sony officials said that one key feature of the cell design is that if
    a device doesn't have enough processing power itself to handle
    everything, it can reach out to unused processors across the Internet
    and tap them for help.

    Peter Glaskowsky, editor of the Microprocessor Report, said Sony is
    ``being too ambitious'' with the networked aspect of the cell design
    because even the fastest Internet connections are usually way too slow
    to coordinate tasks efficiently.

    The cell chips are due to begin production in 2004, and the PS 3
    console is expected to be ready at the same time that Nintendo and
    Microsoft launch their next-generation-game consoles in 2005.

    Nintendo will likely focus on making a pure game box, but Microsoft,
    like Sony, envisions its next game console as a universal digital box.

    A big risk for Sony and its allies is that in their quest to create a
    universal cell-based chip, they might compromise the PS 3's core
    video-game functionality. Chips suitable for a handheld, for example,
    might not be powerful enough to handle gaming tasks.

    Sony has tried to address this problem by making the cell design
    modular; it can add more processors for a server, or use fewer of them
    in a handheld device.

    ``We plan to use the cell chips in other things besides the PlayStation
    3,'' Ando said. ``IBM will use it in servers, and Toshiba will use it in
    consumer devices. You'd be surprised how much we are working on it
    now.''

    But observers remain skeptical. ``It's very hard to use a
    special-purpose design across a lot of products, and this sounds like a
    very special-purpose chip,'' Glaskowsky said.

    The processors will be primed for operation in a broadband,
    Net-connected environment and will be connected by a next-generation
    high-speed technology developed by Rambus of Los Altos.

    Nintendo and Microsoft say they won't lag behind Sony on technology,
    nor will they be late in deploying their own next-generation systems.

    While the outcome is murky now, analyst Doherty said that a few things
    are clear: ``Games are the engine of the next big wave of computing.
    Kutaragi is the dance master, and Sony is calling the shots.''
  • **DONOTDELETE**
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    Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

    Anybody know about the cost yet?

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    • **DONOTDELETE**
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      Anybody know about the cost yet?

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      • BishamonX
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        • Jul 2002
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        Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

        I'll wait until I see real games! I remember all of this hype and discussion about new technology when the PS2 was in development and when it finally arrived it wasn't the "holy grail."

        Sony is excellent with pre-product hype, but I want to see high quality and detailed images in the next PS. I want 720P and 1080i support!

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        • BishamonX
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          Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

          I'll wait until I see real games! I remember all of this hype and discussion about new technology when the PS2 was in development and when it finally arrived it wasn't the "holy grail."

          Sony is excellent with pre-product hype, but I want to see high quality and detailed images in the next PS. I want 720P and 1080i support!

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          • bdunn13
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            • Jul 2002
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            Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            I'll wait until I see real games! I remember all of this hype and discussion about new technology when the PS2 was in development and when it finally arrived it wasn't the "holy grail."

            Sony is excellent with pre-product hype, but I want to see high quality and detailed images in the next PS. I want 720P and 1080i support!

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            the ps2 was also released in japan a way before it was released in the US - this was not the case with the xbox. Thats one reason for the big technology jump.
            Rent this space.

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            • bdunn13
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              • Jul 2002
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              Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              I'll wait until I see real games! I remember all of this hype and discussion about new technology when the PS2 was in development and when it finally arrived it wasn't the "holy grail."

              Sony is excellent with pre-product hype, but I want to see high quality and detailed images in the next PS. I want 720P and 1080i support!

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              the ps2 was also released in japan a way before it was released in the US - this was not the case with the xbox. Thats one reason for the big technology jump.
              Rent this space.

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              • BishamonX
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                • Jul 2002
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                Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                the ps2 was also released in japan a way before it was released in the US - this was not the case with the xbox. Thats one reason for the big technology jump.


                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                I'm not comparing it to the Xbox. When there was a Sega/Sony war going on Sega lost a few key developers because the PS2 was supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it wasn't. The system still suffers from graphics quality issues. It is incredibly powerful when it comes to crunching numbers and pumping the polygons, but it's image quality is behind the Dreamcast.

                Anyway, I just hope Sony can deliver in every facet this time. Competition is a benefit to all consumers.

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                • BishamonX
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                  Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  the ps2 was also released in japan a way before it was released in the US - this was not the case with the xbox. Thats one reason for the big technology jump.


                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  I'm not comparing it to the Xbox. When there was a Sega/Sony war going on Sega lost a few key developers because the PS2 was supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it wasn't. The system still suffers from graphics quality issues. It is incredibly powerful when it comes to crunching numbers and pumping the polygons, but it's image quality is behind the Dreamcast.

                  Anyway, I just hope Sony can deliver in every facet this time. Competition is a benefit to all consumers.

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                  • SPTO
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                    I need real proof of this "ground breaking" technology for PS3. I fell for the hype of the PS2 and while I don't regret it, in the long run it has proven to be the lesser of the two consoles. So I may just go with Xbox-Next. Wonder if they'll utilize backwards compatibility just like Sony did?
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                    • SPTO
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                      Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                      I need real proof of this "ground breaking" technology for PS3. I fell for the hype of the PS2 and while I don't regret it, in the long run it has proven to be the lesser of the two consoles. So I may just go with Xbox-Next. Wonder if they'll utilize backwards compatibility just like Sony did?
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                      • JohnDoe8865
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                        Backwards compatibility would be the logical (I think) and smartest thing to do when Microsoft releases it's next console.
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                        • JohnDoe8865
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                          Backwards compatibility would be the logical (I think) and smartest thing to do when Microsoft releases it's next console.
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                          • Skyboxer
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                            Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            I need real proof of this "ground breaking" technology for PS3. I fell for the hype of the PS2 and while I don't regret it, in the long run it has proven to be the lesser of the two consoles. So I may just go with Xbox-Next. Wonder if they'll utilize backwards compatibility just like Sony did?

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            I'm right with you. Sont, IMO, never ever lived up to the hype that was PS2. I think their next system will be more of the same hype. I just haven't gotten excited at all about this new "Toaster starting, game playing, online" machine they are hyping now.....
                            We'll see......
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                            • Skyboxer
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                              Re: PS3 info 2 b revealed at GDC

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              I need real proof of this "ground breaking" technology for PS3. I fell for the hype of the PS2 and while I don't regret it, in the long run it has proven to be the lesser of the two consoles. So I may just go with Xbox-Next. Wonder if they'll utilize backwards compatibility just like Sony did?

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I'm right with you. Sont, IMO, never ever lived up to the hype that was PS2. I think their next system will be more of the same hype. I just haven't gotten excited at all about this new "Toaster starting, game playing, online" machine they are hyping now.....
                              We'll see......
                              Joshua:
                              "D.O.D. pension files indicate current mailing as: Dr. Robert Hume,
                              a.k.a. Stephen W. Falken, 5 Tall Cedar Road, Goose Island, Oregon"


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