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  • Burns11
    Greatness Has Arrived
    • Mar 2007
    • 7406

    #1

    Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

    Man, I am loving this game. It strikes just about every chord you could want from a detective game.

    Graphically the game is a mixed bag, inside environments and the character models are solid, but animations tend to be stiff and the outside environments are fairly dreadful. It gets the job done though, and looks markedly better comparatively than previous Frogwares Holmes games.

    With that out of the way let's talk about the gameplay. Finally a detective game that will let you fail. I don't mean you can miss something and get a game over screen, I mean you can just get everything flat out wrong and the game just doesn't care. You're still wrong, but the game won't tell you unless you ask (there is an option to reveal if your choice was right and how many clues you gathered of the total).

    The way the game works is you are presented with a scene and start gathering clues, questioning witnesses, etc. Then you can bring up a deduction screen, in this you are presented facts about the case and, if two match up, you make a node on another screen that helps you create a kind of flowchart of the crime. On these nodes you can get different interpretations, for instance in one of the cases you had a guy act crazy and you find out he was on medication for depression that could make someone hallucinate if they took more than prescribed. This created a node where you could say he was crazy despite the meds and the stress of the situation just made him crazier, or you could decide he was just a well meaning guy who had taken too much medication and it made him a little loopy is all. The game is fine either way, you just have to decide based on everything else what is going on.

    You can get some really wide ranging conclusions, my last case was a murder and there were 3 suspects and you could, even after collecting all the evidence, that each of them was the murderer with 2 different weapons, so six choices. There were six perfectly acceptable conclusions, but only one was right and not just arbitrarily right because of the game, if you get it wrong you forgot to take everything into consideration. That case took some serious thinking before it clicked and I realized the important clue. The game doesn't hold your hand through the whole thing, it holds it enough so you always know what you need to do, but the conclusions are all on you and I love that.

    The game has a moral choice at the end of each case, but it's really a throwaway at this point. It might have a reason for being at the end, but right now it's a throwaway choice.

    There is also the rare sequence where you have a physical action, and they are OK but not completely necessary since you can skip them. They aren't bad, I've seen worse, but they aren't great either.

    Not sure I'd pay $60 for it, but it's a solid $30 game or rental. If you were really disappointed with the way LA Noire handled the detective work, give it a shot.
  • Skyboxer
    Donny Baseball!
    • Jul 2002
    • 20302

    #2
    Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

    I want it but not at full price. Played some of the earlier games and am about to grab Testament of SH.
    This is on my get list though for sure.
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    • bakan723
      Banned
      • Aug 2010
      • 1543

      #3
      Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

      The best Sherlock Holmes game was by Mythos, The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes.

      It had 2 games....The Case of the Serrated Scalpel and The Case of the Rose Tattoo.





      edit: If you don't mind reading, that is.
      Last edited by bakan723; 10-07-2014, 06:01 AM.

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      • Burns11
        Greatness Has Arrived
        • Mar 2007
        • 7406

        #4
        Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

        Rose Tattoo was certainly better written, but this is a better game all around. Rose Tattoo especially was very text heavy and pedantic, and a chore to play for any great length in a single sitting.

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        • Pappy Knuckles
          LORDTHUNDERBIRD
          • Sep 2004
          • 15966

          #5
          Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

          Just ordered this for $13. Looks like it might be alright.

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          • SmashMan
            All Star
            • Dec 2004
            • 9710

            #6
            Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

            Was this a PS Plus game a couple months back? if so, I downloaded it and still haven't played it. Impressions sound good.

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            • Pappy Knuckles
              LORDTHUNDERBIRD
              • Sep 2004
              • 15966

              #7
              Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

              Originally posted by SmashMan
              Was this a PS Plus game a couple months back? if so, I downloaded it and still haven't played it. Impressions sound good.
              It was a PS+ game on PS3.

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              • SmashMan
                All Star
                • Dec 2004
                • 9710

                #8
                Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
                It was a PS+ game on PS3.
                Yeah, that must be what I'm thinking of. Maybe I'll jump into it this weekend now that I remember it exists.

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                • Pappy Knuckles
                  LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 15966

                  #9
                  Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                  Originally posted by Burns11
                  Man, I am loving this game. It strikes just about every chord you could want from a detective game.

                  Graphically the game is a mixed bag, inside environments and the character models are solid, but animations tend to be stiff and the outside environments are fairly dreadful. It gets the job done though, and looks markedly better comparatively than previous Frogwares Holmes games.

                  With that out of the way let's talk about the gameplay. Finally a detective game that will let you fail. I don't mean you can miss something and get a game over screen, I mean you can just get everything flat out wrong and the game just doesn't care. You're still wrong, but the game won't tell you unless you ask (there is an option to reveal if your choice was right and how many clues you gathered of the total).

                  The way the game works is you are presented with a scene and start gathering clues, questioning witnesses, etc. Then you can bring up a deduction screen, in this you are presented facts about the case and, if two match up, you make a node on another screen that helps you create a kind of flowchart of the crime. On these nodes you can get different interpretations, for instance in one of the cases you had a guy act crazy and you find out he was on medication for depression that could make someone hallucinate if they took more than prescribed. This created a node where you could say he was crazy despite the meds and the stress of the situation just made him crazier, or you could decide he was just a well meaning guy who had taken too much medication and it made him a little loopy is all. The game is fine either way, you just have to decide based on everything else what is going on.

                  You can get some really wide ranging conclusions, my last case was a murder and there were 3 suspects and you could, even after collecting all the evidence, that each of them was the murderer with 2 different weapons, so six choices. There were six perfectly acceptable conclusions, but only one was right and not just arbitrarily right because of the game, if you get it wrong you forgot to take everything into consideration. That case took some serious thinking before it clicked and I realized the important clue. The game doesn't hold your hand through the whole thing, it holds it enough so you always know what you need to do, but the conclusions are all on you and I love that.

                  The game has a moral choice at the end of each case, but it's really a throwaway at this point. It might have a reason for being at the end, but right now it's a throwaway choice.

                  There is also the rare sequence where you have a physical action, and they are OK but not completely necessary since you can skip them. They aren't bad, I've seen worse, but they aren't great either.

                  Not sure I'd pay $60 for it, but it's a solid $30 game or rental. If you were really disappointed with the way LA Noire handled the detective work, give it a shot.
                  Good writeup, I'm enjoying this game a lot. I finished the first case last night and when I woke up this morning, I thought about my choice some more and I'm pretty sure that I accused the wrong person. Oh well, too late to go back now lol.

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                  • da206gamer
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 41

                    #10
                    Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                    God I hated this game. Probably the worse ps3 game I played. I got it for free on ps plus a few months ago and even that I feel ripped off. Just a very bad game.

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                    • Skyboxer
                      Donny Baseball!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20302

                      #11
                      Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                      I really liked the SH games quite a bit.
                      Nice change of pace from the other genres.

                      Hope they keep making more games like this for PS4.
                      Joshua:
                      "D.O.D. pension files indicate current mailing as: Dr. Robert Hume,
                      a.k.a. Stephen W. Falken, 5 Tall Cedar Road, Goose Island, Oregon"


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                      • Burns11
                        Greatness Has Arrived
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 7406

                        #12
                        Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                        There is a new one that was announced for 2016, no details yet though

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                        • ImTellinTim
                          YNWA
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 33028

                          #13
                          Re: Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments

                          Just picked this up recently but haven't started.

                          Is there an overarching story to the cases that is resolved with different endings based on your choices when you are done? Or are the cases separate entities?

                          If it's an overarching story, can you wait until the end to check what were the correct choices, or do you have to do it as you go?

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