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Dva is pretty easy to handle - it's called getting a zarya. Go right through dva like butter especially if she's stupid enough to shoot at you with shield.

Maybe it's a console and PC difference but while there's definitely a go-to meta and steady lineup on PC I also feel like there's many effective choices that isn't necessarily tank meta depending on map that my stack has utilized and seen utilized against us.


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[The_Wise_One]

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D.va just has an annoying ability to

A. Soak up damage, abilities, ultimates

B. Is the best at stalling in the game.

They need to slightly nerf Ana's grenade. Either the AOE or amount of time it lasts. I think that will fix several problems.

I've been going anti-meta and playing Winston as of late. He's a lot of fun and I've been having success picking off healers (namely Ana) with his diving capabilities.

I think people sleep on Winston because of his relatively low DPS but if you learn how to position and when to use his ultimate it's extremely satisfying.

[Tsuki]

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As a D'va main.

In the past my enemies were always reapers/winston/zarya. I go right after those guys now with her buffs.

I like having the challenge of isolating my counters into 1v1 scenarios to see if they can out play me.

Zarya is still the true counter but after a couple of kills back to back they come back as solider or something LOLWINKYFACE.

[kingkilla56]

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Dva is pretty easy to handle - it's called getting a zarya. Go right through dva like butter especially if she's stupid enough to shoot at you with shield.

Maybe it's a console and PC difference but while there's definitely a go-to meta and steady lineup on PC I also feel like there's many effective choices that isn't necessarily tank meta depending on map that my stack has utilized and seen utilized against us.


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Dva has counters on paper yes. But a even decent Dva won't let Zarya catch her slipping. Her road hog Ana and Rein will make sure of it. Only a noob Dva will challenge Zarya alone. And even then, Dva can mess up a low charge Z easily.


And tank meta wrecks on PC. It plagued recent pro tournaments and has poisoned the rest of the game.

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Dva has counters on paper yes. But a even decent Dva won't let Zarya catch her slipping. Her road hog Ana and Rein will make sure of it. Only a noob Dva will challenge Zarya alone. And even then, Dva can mess up a low charge Z easily.


And tank meta wrecks on PC. It plagued recent pro tournaments and has poisoned the rest of the game.

I'd agree if the zarya is noob as well and isn't popping shield and had none of the teammates you speak of. Fortunately the game has two sides and on the flip side of things a decent zarya on decent team isn't going to let a dva fly around wrecking everyone and laying down damage untouched. And as far as low charge goes yes if the zarya just takes shots and doesn't know how to pop a barrier then yes she will probably will get messed up as would anyone that is expected to sit there as a target.

And I don't really debate tank meta being used but on an amateur level that we're all playing it's important not to underestimate team cohesion and playing your best characters within reason. On a pro level the meta will always be whoever gets the advantage from patch because they're all at level where those hero buffs make up most of the advantage and they have to go with those heroes to stay competitive.

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[The_Wise_One]

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Yeah as stated earlier the "meta" isn't the Bible.

I got crushed in a high diamond game on Kings Row against a Reinhardt, Zen, Torbjorn, Symmetra, Genji, and Hanzo.

The Torbjorn was able to get everyone armor and Symmetra got her shield generator up giving all of the squishy's 300+ health.

Trying to kill a tracer/genji with that much health is very tough.

[Tsuki]

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Glad you guys are coming to such conclusions here.

Pro always creates a meta but for us regulars we are most better off having a top 3 and picking those guys in competitive.

Asking people to switch which may put them in a spot where they end up playing a character they are unfamiliar with does so much harm before the match even starts.

Knowing ONE hero per category is my motto.

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Yeah as stated earlier the "meta" isn't the Bible.

I got crushed in a high diamond game on Kings Row against a Reinhardt, Zen, Torbjorn, Symmetra, Genji, and Hanzo.

The Torbjorn was able to get everyone armor and Symmetra got her shield generator up giving all of the squishy's 300+ health.

Trying to kill a tracer/genji with that much health is very tough.

High diamond? I just hit 2650 (started at 1950, so disappointed) and think I'm pretty good. I solo a lot because of when I play so the feature to teamplay has been such a help...it makes such a difference playing with a team that understands how to play certain heros, when to attack vs. defend, hero countering, helping each other, etc.

To your point surrounding Symmetra, she is SUCH a fun character to me now. I think she is perfectly balanced and definitely can have a strong impact in a game.

[kingkilla56]

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I'd agree if the zarya is noob as well and isn't popping shield and had none of the teammates you speak of. Fortunately the game has two sides and on the flip side of things a decent zarya on decent team isn't going to let a dva fly around wrecking everyone and laying down damage untouched. And as far as low charge goes yes if the zarya just takes shots and doesn't know how to pop a barrier then yes she will probably will get messed up as would anyone that is expected to sit there as a target.

And I don't really debate tank meta being used but on an amateur level that we're all playing it's important not to underestimate team cohesion and playing your best characters within reason. On a pro level the meta will always be whoever gets the advantage from patch because they're all at level where those hero buffs make up most of the advantage and they have to go with those heroes to stay competitive.

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My original point. Was based on why Reaper is trash tier now. It's a combination of the meta and dps being **** on by Soldier now. Blizzard likes to balance the game with no foresight on how other characters will be affected.

I also said, when you play against scattered teams (I don't know what amateur had to do with anything) the game is more fun as you see more characters overall. But when you run into a 6 stack and they run that cut and dry team of three tanks Ana soldier and [fill in character here who is probably another tank or healer] you're forced into the meta. It's just what it is. And it's boring.

Mirror matches that boil down to which road hog got the right pick and the right time, and who out ultimates the other team is dull to me personally. Death ball tank meta just makes the game unfun and eliminates half the roster, unless you just want to struggle and fight an uphill battle.

I just wish blizzard would stop wiping characters off the face of the earth when buffing others. Intentionally or not.

[KSUowls]

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Reaper is countered by DVa. That's my point. And every time they buff her for no damn reason reaper is nerfed more and more. Once a reaper is called out, dva will boost to him and the tanks will focus him down in a heartbeat. His ultimate is useless because their road hog or dva or rein or Ana will instantly shut it down with their active abilities.

He's a completely dead character right now against the meta and it's sad. Also the soldier buff wrecked Reaper as well. Soldier can put out good damage from a distance and self sustain waaaaay more efficiently than reaper ever could. Also why Mcree took a nasty hit as well. And as much as I hate on Genji, this meta is garbage for him now. Tracer is alright, but once she's called out she's done. She can't burst down Ana fast enough because of Ana's God grenade.

Just sad. I don't know the answer to this stuff, but it's just bad having only 7 characters be viable. I'm almost ready to beg them to give bastion his personal shield from beta back so he can get some good dps in there to help out.

First, Merryu Chistmas everyone! Hope we all enjoyed the free loot boxes.

Why is it a problem if D.va counters Reaper? Every hero should have counters, and just because D.va is listed as a "tank" doesn't mean Reaper should auto counter her. His biggest problem right now isn't D.va, or Soldier, it's that 1 Reaper can't counter 3-4 tanks. The issue that all non tanks & supports face right now is that tanks have too much all around utility. McCree, Reaper, Soldier, Tracer, Genji, Mei, Phara and Widow all have their uses, but they are all complimentary to the tanks and supports who fill out the other 5 spots in the team. Though, again this is only at the pro level. For those of us who aren't Seagull or other professional players, I find the tank meta to not be all that effective.

As a D'va main.

In the past my enemies were always reapers/winston/zarya. I go right after those guys now with her buffs.

I like having the challenge of isolating my counters into 1v1 scenarios to see if they can out play me.

Zarya is still the true counter but after a couple of kills back to back they come back as solider or something LOLWINKYFACE.

I don't know that either Winston or Reaper were ever true counters to D.va. Winston especially because of his lack of armor and low DPS the only advantage he had over D.va was that he could shoot through her Matrix. Even before her buffs, D.va was better of just 1v1 engaging him because they are both close range but she had higher potential DPS. Reaper was never a true D.va counter because of her matrix ability, mech health + little d.va, and both of them being close range characters. Zarya and Mei have always been the better counters to D.va

Dva has counters on paper yes. But a even decent Dva won't let Zarya catch her slipping. Her road hog Ana and Rein will make sure of it. Only a noob Dva will challenge Zarya alone. And even then, Dva can mess up a low charge Z easily.


And tank meta wrecks on PC. It plagued recent pro tournaments and has poisoned the rest of the game.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but your simulation ignores the fact that Zarya should have her own team assisting her.

The tank meta is a problem at the pro level. Its effectiveness is seriously reduced even at the diamond level (on PC anyway).

My original point. Was based on why Reaper is trash tier now. It's a combination of the meta and dps being **** on by Soldier now. Blizzard likes to balance the game with no foresight on how other characters will be affected.

I also said, when you play against scattered teams (I don't know what amateur had to do with anything) the game is more fun as you see more characters overall. But when you run into a 6 stack and they run that cut and dry team of three tanks Ana soldier and [fill in character here who is probably another tank or healer] you're forced into the meta. It's just what it is. And it's boring.

Mirror matches that boil down to which road hog got the right pick and the right time, and who out ultimates the other team is dull to me personally. Death ball tank meta just makes the game unfun and eliminates half the roster, unless you just want to struggle and fight an uphill battle.

I just wish blizzard would stop wiping characters off the face of the earth when buffing others. Intentionally or not.

Since the game was released in late May, we have never had more than half of the roster as viable. The only thing that has changed has been which character see the most use of that half.


Now, I disagree with the first and agree with the second. As I mentioned earlier this is not an easy game to balance, and I would argue that before the recent Soldier buffs that he wasn't very good. McCree did the ranged DPS job better than him (and still does in the right hands, Soldier is just easier to use). The recent balance changes to Soldier simply made him a hero worth picking. Yes, this did hurt Reaper, but prior to the ult nerfs Reaper was often picked to combo with Ana because his ult did such insane DPS + the speed boost. Reaper + Ana will out DPS a Zenyatta heal. I don't think the fact that a buff to one character could really hurt another, but had they not done anything then Soldier would still be a relatively weak hero. That theme will continue to carry until the roster size is expanded.

Which leads me to why I agree with the bottom part. We need more available counters to any pick a team does

[CC]

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Yo, I got 5 free lootboxes. Thx Blz.

Didn't get anything good though.

[kingkilla56]

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Roster size expanding won't help anything. Because there will always be the optimal 6, because blizzard can't help themselves. The only thing we can hope for is that the optimal 6 isnt significantly more effective than the next team comp and so on and so forth. But I have little faith in blizzard as a whole when it comes to balancing their behemoth games.

[Caveman24]

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Symetra is a little OP now, holy ****.

[kingkilla56]

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Symetra is a little OP now, holy ****.

How is she op?