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  • Peji911
    Sexiest Woman Alive!
    • Aug 2004
    • 2098

    #1

    Homophobia

    I'm writing this knowing fully well that it will probably get blocked but I really think it should not and I hope people are mature about it.

    I'm a history major and will be writing my thesis on the affects of slavery on American society, most importantly, popular culture. One thing about slavery and racism, is that only when you confront racism do you weed out the people whom are racists and, subsequently, educate them on how blacks, whites, natives--everyone is one. It's a cliche, but it is so true.

    Here's my problem with homophobia. Most people who are homophobic are uneducated on the subject--by that I mean that they think that gay men will put the moves on them in the locker room, or something.

    I grew up with a guy who is from the same country I'm from, lived in the same neighbourhood, went to the same school, and we hung out almost daily after school. About three weeks ago he told us how he's gay. We have always been tight but it came as a surprise to all of us. Still, we support him because he's our friend and who he was prior to us knowing is the same person he is now.

    However, I do have a problem, and he actually said he agrees, even though he is gay, with people criticizing homophobes. The reason is that, we were brought up in a society that definitely criticized homosexuality and after the 90s, when it became more accepted, many people say they are fine with it and what not--yet behind closed doors they criticize it.

    So what am I trying to achieve? Let's stop thinking that speaking about homosexuality as 'taboo', because it is not. Not everyone is alright with it and as long as it's not stupid comments like Hardaway's, or violence, we should all be open to people having a problem with it. We argue about politics, about video games, top athletes, so why can we not have intellectual conversations about this?

    I know at OS we shun this kind of talk but it definitely shouldn't be. We went to a gay bar with my friend to show him our support and some of us weren't cool with it--SO WHAT? We live in an advanced society, we shouldn't have to agree with anything because it is politically correct. I'm good friends with a lot of gay people and the thing they seem to agree on is that they hate when people are fake with it and think it's not right, yet in public say it is.

    I'm just writing this because most people here, after the Hardaway comments, spoke about how they have nothing against gays yet I remember in previous threads how some actually hinted, before this became a huge topic, about how its wrong.

    So... why does our society seem to conform to this whole idea of 'acceptance', even when it's just a facade.

    Hopefully this wont be blocked because it's a mature topic and OS is a mature site.
    PSN: Peji911
  • jim416
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 10606

    #2
    Re: Homophobia

    so why can we not have intellectual conversations about this?

    Because it usually deteriorates into name calling.

    For me, my neice is a lesbian, great kid, has a great girlfriend. I detest gay pride parades with them strutting around in nun's outfits, etc., simply detest it.

    If I were to say just the latter I would be labeled a homophobe, even without that person knowing about my neice.

    Too bad there aren't better "standards" of behaviour. We are a culture who loves to fight each other over social issues and loves to label. That has basically stopped most conversations on any social subject whethere it be homosexuality, racism, etc.

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    • Peji911
      Sexiest Woman Alive!
      • Aug 2004
      • 2098

      #3
      Re: Homophobia

      Originally posted by jim416
      so why can we not have intellectual conversations about this?

      Because it usually deteriorates into name calling.

      For me, my neice is a lesbian, great kid, has a great girlfriend. I detest gay pride parades with them strutting around in nun's outfits, etc., simply detest it.

      If I were to say just the latter I would be labeled a homophobe, even without that person knowing about my neice.

      Too bad there aren't better "standards" of behaviour. We are a culture who loves to fight each other over social issues and loves to label. That has basically stopped most conversations on any social subject whethere it be homosexuality, racism, etc.

      That's exactly my point. I agree with the whole disliking gay pride parades because that's not how gay people actually act. Those are people seeking attention, not 'true' gays. I know many, and none act like that.

      Our society is in rots because of this. The fact that it's taboo to speak on this subject is irrational. It's like speaking about slavery, if we don;t we face the possibility of it occuring again, and we dont want that.

      Still, people need to be mature
      PSN: Peji911

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      • grunt
        Banned
        • Jul 2002
        • 9527

        #4
        Re: Homophobia

        Maybe folks should PM you with their answers.

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        • Peji911
          Sexiest Woman Alive!
          • Aug 2004
          • 2098

          #5
          Re: Homophobia

          Originally posted by grunt
          Maybe folks should PM you with their answers.
          See, thats the thing.

          Im into that whole, 'homosexuality would lead to an end to civilization' in the sense that if men only liked men and women only women, we wouldnt be able to reproduce... BUT, thats not really the case. Not everyone is like that, and we should especially be able to talk about this in the open.


          Like I said, Im not gay. But I went to a gay bar, didnt like it, but my friend saw that I tried and understood. He even said it wasnt 'natural' to like men, but that he does and he cant change it.

          But we still should be able to speak intelligently on the matter
          PSN: Peji911

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          • Shaver
            Legend
            • Jul 2002
            • 10148

            #6
            Re: Homophobia

            Not gonna happen, Folks.

            Here's a history lesson for a history major... OS banned this type of discussion based on the history of such threads and the responses they generate. Topics like this can not be intellectually debated between intellectuals... let alone people who are visiting for Rosters, Sliders, and Screenies.

            Thanks... but no thanks... there are a million websites out there to have this discussion in. Find one.
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            • jim416
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 10606

              #7
              Re: Homophobia

              It's like speaking about slavery, if we don;t we face the possibility of it occuring again, and we dont want that.

              I'm going to bow out of this, but when you make comments like this that the U.S. would/could/might have slavery again????? Although other countries practice REAL slavery today, this is not going to happen here and to think that it would I think is a real stretch.

              Back to the baseball forums for me. Good luck.

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              • Vince
                Bow for Bau
                • Aug 2002
                • 26017

                #8
                Re: Homophobia

                people see gays as a threat.
                @ me or dap me

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