Would you use steroids?

[mgoblue]

Re: Would you use steroids?

I disagree with the logic... Alcohol and cigarettes are both widley proven to be dangerous, but they are both legal to anyone above 18/21. Meanwhile many studies have shown marijuana to be much less dangerous than both, yet it is still illegal (excluding medicinal purposes).

Perhaps...but steroids definitely f your body up. I guess I'd want to see studies showing that it wasn't any worse than regular drinking or smoking first. To me there's a big difference between hurting my liver or lungs and making my balls shrivel up.

[Trevytrev11]

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I don't use steroids and I have no interest in using them but I don't understand why they're outlawed. All outlawing them does is make people import them and use unsafe levels due to not having them administered by a doctor.

Well, they are legal in certain cases. My co-worker tore an oblique and his doctor provided him with some form of steroid (I guess to speed up recovery). However, a good/classy/quality doctor isn't going to prescibe a steroid because you want to get swollen or want to add some velocity to your fastball or increase how far you can hit a ball. There has to be some sort of medical problem to require the medicine, not just because your weak. Again, I'm not saying doctor's wouldn't do it under the table, but I'm sure they morally sound ones would not.

Think of viagra, you can't go to a doctor, tell him that your member works, but you want it to work even better so you can do porn all day long and have him proved you with viagra. (I'm sure some crooked Dr's would do it, but you can't justify the need medically). Basically, your tool works like it should, you just want to make it work harder than it's supposed to (pun kind of intended).

[rudyjuly2]

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I'm just waiting for penguit to show up. He's always defending steroids and sees nothing wrong with them.

Now that I think of it, my poison ivy medication a few years ago was a form of a steroid. I guess I was juicing for a few weeks.

[Acid]

Re: Would you use steroids?

Even though I'm really skinny, and could probably use some extra muscle/mass, I wouldn't take them. Not worth the health risk, IMO.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: Would you use steroids?

Perhaps...but steroids definitely f your body up. I guess I'd want to see studies showing that it wasn't any worse than regular drinking or smoking first. To me there's a big difference between hurting my liver or lungs and making my balls shrivel up.

Are you saying losing your ball is worse or losing your liver and lungs? You can live without balls (you can't reproduce, but you can live an otherwise normal life) . You really need your lungs and liver to get by. If you said it the other way around (losing the liver and lungs is worse, then I agree)

I agree with you that the f up your body. I've seen it first hand with teamates and friends.

I was just saying that the logic doesn't make sense if that is the sole reason they are illegal. Not your logic, just that logic if that is the reason.

[jmood88]

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Well, they are legal in certain cases. My co-worker tore an oblique and his doctor provided him with some form of steroid (I guess to speed up recovery). However, a good/classy/quality doctor isn't going to prescibe a steroid because you want to get swollen or want to add some velocity to your fastball or increase how far you can hit a ball. There has to be some sort of medical problem to require the medicine, not just because your weak. Again, I'm not saying doctor's wouldn't do it under the table, but I'm sure they morally sound ones would not.

Think of viagra, you can't go to a doctor, tell him that your member works, but you want it to work so you can do porn all day long and have him proved you with viagra. (I'm sure some crooked Dr.s would do it, but you can't justify the need medically).

I mean why are they illegal for people who want to use them who aren't injured? I understand if sports leagues ban them but I don't get why they're illegal, of course I don't know why other drugs are illegal either.

I'm too scared to use steroids anyway because of the strength of the medicine that I take for my asthma. I already take the highest possible dose of steroids for my breathing(with the medicine that I take) and I have no idea how the stuff would mix or what it would cause.

[XboxRocks1991]

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There are tons of supplements out there that can mimic what steroids are meant to do.

There isnt really a point

[mgoblue]

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Are you saying losing your ball is worse or losing your liver and lungs? You can live without balls (you can't reproduce, but you can live an otherwise normal life) . You really need your lungs and liver to get by. If you said it the other way around (losing the liver and lungs is worse, then I agree)

I agree with you that the f up your body. I've seen it first hand with teamates and friends.

I was just saying that the logic doesn't make sense if that is the sole reason they are illegal. Not your logic, just that logic if that is the reason.

True...then again, I just quit smoking a few months ago and feel great because of it. I've been looking for a new vice to pick up, thanks :wink:

I would be interested if they ever did studies of controlled steroids use for athletes, to be able to learn how severe the long term effects would be. I'm not sure if they're better or worse than constantly smoking or drinking. You make a good point though, and if I was an athlete and steroids was the only thing that would get me to the pros I'd consider it. I would hope I wouldn't do them, but it's tempting for everyone.

[Trevytrev11]

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I mean why are they illegal for people who want to use them who aren't injured? I understand if sports leagues ban them but I don't get why they're illegal, of course I don't know why other drugs are illegal either.

I'm too scared to use steroids anyway because of the strength of the medicine that I take for my asthma. I already take the highest possible dose of steroids for my breathing and I have no idea how the stuff would mix or what it would cause.

My guess is that most of them are made in private labs that aren't regualted by anyone. You look at this big bust they just had and these are all labs in peoples basements and family rooms. There is nothing validating that they are in fact what they are supposed to be. A dose of a steroid from one guy may not be the same or close than a dose of that same steroid from the other guy.

And I doubt you will ever see them become legal because of tests showing that they do cause problems ( I haven't done research on this at all, but I'm pretty sure studies have shown they have led to medical conditions in users, I may be wrong on this, though).

I mean there are a ton of legal supplements out there that help you bulk up that are approved by the FDA. I'm not saying that these have no side-effects, but at minimum, they are regulated and tested and uniform. You know what your getting in every serving.

[dieselboy]

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Definitely. 100% sure that I would.

[jmood88]

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My guess is that most of them are made in private labs that aren't regualted by anyone. You look at this big bust they just had and these are all labs in peoples basements and family rooms. There is nothing validating that they are in fact what they are supposed to be. A dose of a steroid from one guy may not be the same or close than a dose of that same steroid from the other guy.

And I doubt you will ever see them become legal because of tests showing that they do cause problems ( I haven't done research on this at all, but I'm pretty sure studies have shown they have led to medical conditions in users, I may be wrong on this, though).

I mean there are a ton of legal supplements out there that help you bulk up that are approved by the FDA. I'm not saying that these have no side-effects, but at minimum, they are regulated and tested and uniform. You know what your getting in every serving.

But the reason that they have these underground labs are that they are illegal. Do you know why they were outlawed in the first place?

[Trevytrev11]

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But the reason that they have these underground labs are that they are illegal. Do you know why they were outlawed in the first place?

Well I would think like any other drug, they are legal when prescribed by a doctor and produced in a FDA approved lab, but outside of that it's like anything else.

I mean if you were producing motrin/trylenol/sudafed/viagra in your basement and then selling it, you would get busted as well. All prescription drugs have to go through the same process. Steroids are no exception. While these restrictions definitely have some negatives, the main thing they do is regulate the industry so that people know what they are taking when taking whatever.

So if your Dr. determines that you should be on steroids, then he could put you on them. But medically, I don't think doctors believe that they are safe enough to be used as athletes use them. Like I said with Viagra, a doctor should prescribe it if you suffer from e-d; a medical condition, but not because you just want think it would be cool to keep it up for 4 hours straight.

Like your asthma or my co-workers oblique, there are situations where a doctor will see steroids as valid, but they have to be valid to the doctor and I don't think wanting to hit more HR's is a medical condition they believe to be valid.

I'm sure these producers could go the legal route, but it's much more economical to make them in your basement and avoid any true R&D costs and sell them on the black market at higher prices because the people that want to use them, can't get them legally.

[Cebby]

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I used some for about a month and a half my sophomore year in high school. It was just something you did at my school.

[nyisles16]

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I used some for about a month and a half my sophomore year in high school. It was just something you did at my school.

ahh.. the 3 R's.... reading, 'riting, and roiding up..

[Flyboy]

Re: Would you use steroids?

Nope. Not at all.