Questions about voting

[Double Eights]

Re: Questions about voting

ha.

He didn't seem to have a problem with them in '96

http://reason.com/blog/show/124339.html

Which is specially funny because the other night on cnn he said he's never even read them.

from the reason article


Sure, that's freedom of speech, but bigoted nonetheless. Straight up racism is not exactly a libertarian value.

Even fellow libertarians are jumping ship
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/...y-newsletters/

Again, nothing in either article proves that Ron Paul actually believes what was written in those newsletters.

And again, even if it is true, who cares? Would you rather have a racist President who believes in the freedom of the people? Or a President who strips away your freedoms in order to "protect" you? I'll take the racist every time.

[mudtiger]

Re: Questions about voting

My last post on the subject as I've had plenty of 'fun' conversations with Ron Paul supporters that go nowhere.

How did I come to those conclusions?

Let's see..Ron Paul was running for congress in 1996 against Lefty Morris(D). Morris made the newsletters a big deal during the campaign, so Paul responded by claiming you needed to read those newsletters in context. Never that he did not write them. Never that he has not read them. Never that what was written in them was racist, homophobic drivel and he would distance himself from them as he does now.

quotes from texas newspaper articles in 1996

Dr. Paul, who is running in Texas' 14th Congressional District, defended his writings in an interview Tuesday. He said they were being taken out of context.

Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his campaign staff.

He also said the comment about black men in the nation's capital was made while writing about a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia.

Citing statistics from the study, Dr. Paul then concluded in his column: "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"These aren't my figures," Dr. Paul said Tuesday. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.

Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.

And it goes on. I've left out any real bigoted stuff as this isn't the place to quote it. Seems like he had no problem with it in 96.

So how did I come to the conclusion? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Back then he not only defended most of his crap, but also took ownership of it.

As this is not a political forum, let's agree to disagree and put each other on our ignore lists and call it a day.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Questions about voting

http://www.vdare.com/blog/100604_blog.htm#b2

95% of convicted felons in DC are black.

I guess if someone that ignores the truth in fear of the political correct yambags out there is the man you want leading the country, then Paul is not your guy. Personally, I want someone who will tell it like it is.

[mudtiger]

Re: Questions about voting

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129

Defend 'em all man, I dare you.

edit

and if you get thru all of those, I've got more I'd love to hear an explanation for

While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled “The Duke’s Victory,” a newsletter celebrated Duke’s 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Republican Senate primary. “Duke lost the election,” it said, “but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment.” In 1991, a newsletter asked, “Is David Duke’s new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?” The conclusion was that “our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.” Duke is now returning the favor, telling me that, while he will not formally endorse any candidate, he has made information about Ron Paul available on his website.

Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a newsletter said, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.”

Like I said, let's just agree to disagree. You made your point you'll suffer a racist to 'save america.'

[dkgojackets]

Re: Questions about voting

Well I read the first couple and figured bkrich would put it best

"Nice try. Keep reaching though."

There are multiple accounts out there that MLK had affairs, and he was under investigation by the FBI because his advisor was a known Communist.

I'm glad someone out there is willing to speak his mind. All this political correctness garbage needs to go.

[Chaos81]

Re: Questions about voting

let's agree to disagree and put each other on our ignore lists and call it a day.

Sorry but that's the best part out of all of this.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Questions about voting

Enough of that though, people will believe what they want to believe and live in their own fantasy land.

I'm still interested in how some non-voters would answer the questions in the OP.

[larrygiterdone]

Re: Questions about voting

wow, didnt know there were so many fellow Ron Paul supporters on here

why do you guys think he is polling so low still?

[dkgojackets]

Re: Questions about voting

Sorry but that's the best part out of all of this.

LOL, I missed that.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Questions about voting

wow, didnt know there were so many fellow Ron Paul supporters on here

why do you guys think he is polling so low still?

He simply isn't the traditional republican candidate.

[ndeezlo]

Re: Questions about voting

the 06 election was the first time i voted, Liberterarion candidate for Gov. I didn't vote in 00 or 04 presidential elections because I was just not interested.

I would never pay to vote.

I wouldn't accept money for my vote.

I already forgot 4 from reading through this mess of a thread.

[Double Eights]

Re: Questions about voting

wow, didnt know there were so many fellow Ron Paul supporters on here

why do you guys think he is polling so low still?

He gets very little to no media coverage. Not as many people know what his actual viewpoints are, because whenever he is on TV people are either slandering him or taking their shots at him because he's "different."

I can't count how many times he's slandered as being a "9/11 truther" when all he says is that the terrorists didn't attack America because of our freedoms, but because we have occupied the Middle East for twenty to thirty years. But he's considered a nutjob because he doesn't agree with Giuliani/McCain/etc.. that America is a prime target because we have freedom. Even though the actual terrorists are on record as saying they attacked us because we won't get the **** out of the Middle East.

He simply isn't the traditional republican candidate.

But he is a traditional Republican candidate. He runs on a small-government, anti-war, free market, etc. mindset, just like a true Republican is supposed to. It is his fellow Republicans that are running on different (Democratic) beliefs.

[Skerik]

Re: Questions about voting

wow, didnt know there were so many fellow Ron Paul supporters on here

why do you guys think he is polling so low still?

I'm no political expert, but probably 'cause he's an idiot, a bigot, and an overall ****ing crank lunatic.

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[SportsTop]

Re: Questions about voting

I can't count how many times he's slandered as being a "9/11 truther" when all he says is that the terrorists didn't attack America because of our freedoms, but because we have occupied the Middle East for twenty to thirty years. But he's considered a nutjob because he doesn't agree with Giuliani/McCain/etc.. that America is a prime target because we have freedom. Even though the actual terrorists are on record as saying they attacked us because we won't get the **** out of the Middle East.

If you believe that then I suggest doing a little more research or enlisting in the service for a tour over there and find out the real truth.

1. Nevertheless, I'll alway vote (even if I have to fill out an absentee ballot).

4. I think I've paid enough with 16+ years of service to my country.

[dkgojackets]

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But he is a traditional Republican candidate. He runs on a small-government, anti-war, free market, etc. mindset, just like a true Republican is supposed to. It is his fellow Republicans that are running on different (Democratic) beliefs.

True. I meant non-traditional as in not what you would expect a candidate to be now.