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  • MassNole
    Banned
    • Mar 2006
    • 18848

    #1

    Why I Hate My Town

    I'll preface this by stating I grew up in Burlington, VT, where the city took care of all snow removal. I'll post an amusing story about that at the end of my rant.

    Anyways fast forward to today. I live in Greenfield, MA, a small town in Northern Massachusetts. Snow removal is up to the residents. Today we had snow mixed with rain that turned everything into one large pile of ice, ice that you can't even begin to penetrate with a shovel. There is going to be no way to get rid of it. It is only there right now because the town plows put it there, yet it is our problem to deal with. How is that even remotely just? They caused the problem that there is no way to take care of it for the average resident, yet now we'll get fined because the snow can't be physically removed. I pay my taxes, how is it not the responsibility of the town, who is better equipped than I or any other resident besides the Hospital (who has a team of 10-15 people who remove snow) to take care of this mess that they created?

    I really hate this town. It was run by complete morons. The school is facing a severe deficit right now which means guess what, I get to pay more taxes for my non-existent children to attend a school they would not attend even if they existed. When it could in fact be fixed by a school tax of $275/child. The town is beyond corrupt, yet the same old tired regime keeps getting voted back in.

    God I hate this town.

    Anyway now to the amusing story I said was coming. Lets go back to 1993 during the storm of the century. We had just finished shoveling out our driveway when the sidewalk plow comes back and destroys hours of work. As the jerk who is driving it is doing this he is actually laughing at people. My mother called the Mayor's office and complained. Within 30 minutes said jackass was at our house shoveling our driveway out from the mess he created and took pleasure in doing so. I guess that type of responsibility for the actions of municipal employees only exists in Vermont. I never thought I'd say it, but god I miss Vermont.
  • Heelfan71
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    #2
    Re: Why I Hate My Town

    I remember the 1993 storm. It was awful.
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    • Lintyfresh85
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      • Jul 2002
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      #3
      Re: Why I Hate My Town

      1993 was fun... I think I missed at least two weeks during that storm.
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      • Stu
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        • Jun 2004
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        #4
        Re: Why I Hate My Town

        I don't get it. You're upset because you have to shovel the end of your driveway after the plow goes by?
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        • MassNole
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          • Mar 2006
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          #5
          Re: Why I Hate My Town

          Originally posted by camulos
          I don't get it. You're upset because you have to shovel the end of your driveway after the plow goes by?
          No, I'm upset because through the negligence of the town they dumped about 2 feet of impenetrable ice onto the sidewalk and that in Massachusetts, unlike Vermont, it is the resident's job to remove said impenetrable ice and not the town's.

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          • Misfit
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            • Mar 2003
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            #6
            Re: Why I Hate My Town

            Originally posted by Lintyfresh85
            1993 was fun... I think I missed at least two weeks during that storm.
            The famed ice storm. My family was without power for days. Thankfully, my grandparents weren't so we had someplace warm to retreat to. I think I missed one additional day of school (it was closed for two days, I think) and my 7th grade "Reading" (basically English or literature in junior high) was a complete tool about it. I hated that bitch.

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            • TheGamingChef
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              • Jun 2006
              • 3384

              #7
              Re: Why I Hate My Town

              Originally posted by MassNole
              No, I'm upset because through the negligence of the town they dumped about 2 feet of impenetrable ice onto the sidewalk and that in Massachusetts, unlike Vermont, it is the resident's job to remove said impenetrable ice and not the town's.
              Wait... so Massachusetts says that you have to clear off the street?

              Or did Vermont clear off your driveway for you?

              What am I missing? What is it that Vermont did but Massachusetts doesn't do?

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #8
                Re: Why I Hate My Town

                Originally posted by camulos
                I don't get it. You're upset because you have to shovel the end of your driveway after the plow goes by?
                That's what it sounds like.

                I believe a lot of places are like that. So you buy some salt and lay it on the ground... The sidewalk in front of your property is still considered your property.
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                • MassNole
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                  • Mar 2006
                  • 18848

                  #9
                  Re: Why I Hate My Town

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  That's what it sounds like.

                  I believe a lot of places are like that. So you buy some salt and lay it on the ground... The sidewalk in front of your property is still considered your property.
                  Okay, salt isn't going to work for 2 feet of ice on the sidewalk.

                  The driveway isn't the concern, the sidewalk is. In Vermont the town takes care of snow removal from sidewalks. That is logical, the town is better equipped to do this, and then they bear the responsibility of cleaning up a mess like I have now. I am simply stating that towns should be responsible for this, not the homeowners.

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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #10
                    Re: Why I Hate My Town

                    We've had situations worse than that here in NY. If you keep putting salt, eventually you will be able to crack it with the shovel.

                    I still don't see how it should be the town's responsibility if it is your property. You own that sidewalk, correct? It's part of a house?

                    And if you live in an apartment, the owners are responsible for clearing up the sidewalk. This is pretty standard from what I've seen in at least three states here in the Tri-State area.

                    VT's situation sounds pretty unique. From my experience I wouldn't call it the norm.
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                    • pk500
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 8062

                      #11
                      Re: Why I Hate My Town

                      2 feet of solid ice? I find that hard to believe. More like 2 feet of crusty, heavy, wet snow. Just throw a ton of salt on there and get out and shovel.

                      The sidewalk is on your property. It's your responsibility. End of story.

                      Take care,
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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #12
                        Re: Why I Hate My Town

                        Well at least you don't live in the GTA. The mayor just had to unveil a snow removal plan. Here's the story

                        Feb 15, 2008 02:27 PM
                        Vanessa Lu
                        City hall bureau
                        With more snow in the forecast, the city of Toronto is going to start removing snow from residential streets over the next two weeks.

                        Beginning today, crews will be working around the clock, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to get the white stuff offf the streets.

                        The priority will be on residential streets in the former city of Toronto and the boroughs of East York and York, where streets are narrower and on-street parking is allowed.

                        On streets where parking is allowed on both sides of the streets, residents will be given 48 hours’ notice to move their vehicles so plows can get through. Residents will be allowed to park nearby, and parking enforcement officers will use “discretion,” said Gary Welsh, general manager of transportation services.

                        Also, municipal green “P” lots will offer free parking from 8 p.m. to 7 a.m. in areas where crews are clearing the snow.

                        If drivers have not moved their cars, then there will be “friendly tows,” to nearby areas. There will be no tickets or towing charges.

                        On streets where parking is allowed on one side of the street, residents will not be required to move their cars. But city staff said it would be helpful if they would because it would allow crews to remove the snow.

                        While the city will try to notify all residents of cleanup efforts in their area, Mayor David Miller said it will not be possible for cleanup efforts this weekend. The city will have a listing of streets to be cleared on its website today at www.toronto.ca.

                        The price tag for the snow removal operations is estimated to be $20 million - almost equal to the $25 million that has been spent on snow clearing so far this year.

                        The city’s snow removal budget is $65 million this year.
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                        • mudtiger
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 3223

                          #13
                          Re: Why I Hate My Town

                          Originally posted by pk500
                          2 feet of solid ice? I find that hard to believe. More like 2 feet of crusty, heavy, wet snow. Just throw a ton of salt on there and get out and shovel.

                          The sidewalk is on your property. It's your responsibility. End of story.

                          Take care,
                          PK
                          Amen

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