This should be the norm

[TheGamingChef]

Re: This should be the norm

Thank god the Supreme Court disagrees with you. This isn't excessive, this is necessary to protect children. Statistics are worthless in this debate, you cannot tell me that having the knowledge about who is dangerous for your children in your neighborhood is a bad thing. And I can assure you the state of Kansas to take this step, he did a lot more than have sex with a girl barely younger than he is.

Regardless of the specific crime that this man committed, this type of punishment sets a dangerous precedent. Of course the safety of children is the primary focus when dealing with sex offenders, but believe it or not, the safety of the offender has to be taken into consideration as well. These types of signs will do nothing to dissuade this man from striking again, but they could result in certain types of vigilante responses against him.

You're right the scarlet letter isn't going to rehabilitate them, but you know what, nothing else is either. It would save a lot of time, money, and horrors if we just put a needle in their arm and their body in the ground,

I may agree on this one. A repeat sex offender who has committed multiple offensive crimes probably should be executed. But that's for a court and a jury of 12 of the man's peers to decide... not for some redneck with a shotgun who drives past this guy's house and sees these signs above the door.

Yet again, the Supreme Court correctly states that this is perfectly fine. Sex offenders, unlike most other criminals, are for more likely to commit more crimes. But you know what, this would be a helluva an idea for those committed of DUI's as well. Mark their cars clearly, not only will it make it easier for police to spot them, but it will keep us safe.

Do you honestly believe that? A person who blows a .09 should be forced to drive with a DUI sign on their car? What purpose do you believe that would serve?

We've really missed the boat as far as punishment goes in this country. The primary purpose of any punishment is to dissuade the person from breaking the law again. Punishments serve as deterrents. The only thing these sex offender signs do is unfairly tag a person - a bad person, but a person nonetheless - as a target. We can do better - this is America.

MassNole, based on the tone of your post I'm assuming that you're going into prosecution... am I right?

[MassNole]

Re: This should be the norm

Regardless of the specific crime that this man committed, this type of punishment sets a dangerous precedent. Of course the safety of children is the primary focus when dealing with sex offenders, but believe it or not, the safety of the offender has to be taken into consideration as well. These types of signs will do nothing to dissuade this man from striking again, but they could result in certain types of vigilante responses against him.

At least in Massachusetts, and I can only assume every other state, there are laws prohibiting the use of the sex offender registry to gain information to harass or physically harm one of those listed, much less say what ever other crime you commit. I would presume in Kansas the same laws apply to these signs. I guess from there we can just trust the citizens to not commit crimes against the offenders. You know, like how before they were convicted we trusted them not to commit serious sex crimes.

I may agree on this one. A repeat sex offender who has committed multiple offensive crimes probably should be executed. But that's for a court and a jury of 12 of the man's peers to decide... not for some redneck with a shotgun who drives past this guy's house and sees these signs above the door.

Again I think we need to trust the good people of Kansas to not commit these crimes. Once they are committed we can punish those who do. Hell even make a hate crime and punish those who commit those crimes more severely. A law like this should discourage the general public from committing such crimes.

Do you honestly believe that? A person who blows a .09 should be forced to drive with a DUI sign on their car? What purpose do you believe that would serve?

I could be more specific, but that is for another time.

We've really missed the boat as far as punishment goes in this country. The primary purpose of any punishment is to dissuade the person from breaking the law again. Punishments serve as deterrents. The only thing these sex offender signs do is unfairly tag a person - a bad person, but a person nonetheless - as a target. We can do better - this is America.

MassNole, based on the tone of your post I'm assuming that you're going into prosecution... am I right?

I might, at this point it all depends where I find a job first. As much as I hate to say it, I'd be a better defense attorney than a prosecutor.

[Brandwin]

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You know it might be a little much, but nothing else seems to really help.

I remember someone posting a story about a guy who got arrested for messing with a child (I don't remember what all he did to her) and when he got out, the business he owned (a flower shop I think) he had to wear a shirt every day to work that said I am a registered sex offender on it . I think it was for a year or something and they would go by and check to make sure he had it on.

[fistofrage]

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I'd rather just see child molesters get the death penalty. They totally ruin multiple lives by their actions, they are of no use to society.

[TheGamingChef]

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Again I think we need to trust the good people of Kansas to not commit these crimes. Once they are committed we can punish those who do. Hell even make a hate crime and punish those who commit those crimes more severely. A law like this should discourage the general public from committing such crimes.

See, we could simply avoid all of that by not putting these signs up in the first place. I'm still waiting to hear the purpose they actually serve. They don't do anything other than entice other people to commit hate crimes, apparently.

I might, at this point it all depends where I find a job first. As much as I hate to say it, I'd be a better defense attorney than a prosecutor.

Are you more interested in civil or criminal law?

[ballerzinc]

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I'd rather have people who mess with kids in prison for life. That's just one of those things that is an absolute sin to me along with killing and rape.

[MassNole]

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See, we could simply avoid all of that by not putting these signs up in the first place. I'm still waiting to hear the purpose they actually serve. They don't do anything other than entice other people to commit hate crimes, apparently.

Well look at it this way, the signs take care of lots of bad people for us. Sure there may be some vigilante justice, but the vigilantes take care of the sexual predators and the laws take these dangerous people off the street. Win-win.

Are you more interested in civil or criminal law?

At this point it seems I'll be doing both.

[slickdtc]

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Sorry, but that's bull****. It's an unenviable position to defend child molestors, but this is extra-legal punishment that should not be allowed within our justice system. The lists are bad enough (and studies have shown that they do absolutely nothing to deter further crime by the suspect or provide any protection for victims), but this seriously puts his life in danger. And is sets a dangerous precedent -- keep in mind that statutory rape would fall under this same umbrella... a 19 year-old having sex with his 16 year-old girlfriend is enough to get you locked up in some states...

Putting a scarlet letter on people isn't going to help rehabilitate them, it just makes them more likely to never be able to be employed, which makes them more likely to commit other crimes... I dunno, this kind of stuff is crazy to me -- our whole justice system is set up on the premise that you do a crime, get arrested, get punished, and that's it. This extra-curicular punishment outside of the legal system should not be allowed...

Further, convicted murdereds out on parole don't have to have a sign on their car. Are we really more scared of a sex offender (who may have been an indecent exposure/statutory, non-violent case) than a murderer? That's why these things make no sense to me. Either we give scarlet letters to every convicted violent criminal or we don't give them to anyone. Anything else is setting a precedent that is inherently unfair to people accused of a certain type of crime.

For these same reasons, I don't support the lists at all. But regardless, the lawyer quoted in the article basically summed up my main contention to this kind of thing:

"We already have a sex offender registry and all these kinds of conditions do is create danger to the offender and everyone around the offender," said defense attorney Dan Monnat, who is not representing Schad.

I agree with this too. This story seems so over the top. Maybe have a smaller sign, not this huge poster of it everyone on this guy's house and car.

I despise the crime just as much as the next guy, but some of this seems over the top. There are way worse ex-convicts roaming around and no one knows.

[Knight165]

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See, we could simply avoid all of that by not putting these signs up in the first place. I'm still waiting to hear the purpose they actually serve. They don't do anything other than entice other people to commit hate crimes, apparently.

Well how about this scenario?....that guy tricks some kid to come near his car so he can entice them into the vehicle and eventually molest them. Ain't happening with that sign on his car(as long as the kid can read)
Same goes for the house....if he manages to convince some kid to come into his house ....I'm sure it's for no good.....with the sign out there....the kid beats feet when he sees it.(hopefully)
Sexual preds are no joke people...they usually target kids...and since kids don't want to talk about it they usually go unchecked for a LONG time. Sickening.
Some of you guys will defend anything as long as it goes against "the man". Pitiful.



M.K.
Knight165

[Brandon13]

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Well how about this scenario?....that guy tricks some kid to come near his car so he can entice them into the vehicle and eventually molest them. Ain't happening with that sign on his car(as long as the kid can read)
Same goes for the house....if he manages to convince some kid to come into his house ....I'm sure it's for no good.....with the sign out there....the kid beats feet when he sees it.(hopefully)
Sexual preds are no joke people...they usually target kids...and since kids don't want to talk about it they usually go unchecked for a LONG time. Sickening.
Some of you guys will defend anything as long as it goes against "the man". Pitiful.



M.K.
Knight165

I don't necessarily have a problem with the sign on the house if the person is actually a child molester, but I would have a serious problem with a sign being placed on a guy's house because he was 18 and had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend or the example that was used earlier where the guy pissed outside a bar and was placed on the predator list.

[TheChunkster]

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Well how about this scenario?....that guy tricks some kid to come near his car so he can entice them into the vehicle and eventually molest them. Ain't happening with that sign on his car(as long as the kid can read)
Same goes for the house....if he manages to convince some kid to come into his house ....I'm sure it's for no good.....with the sign out there....the kid beats feet when he sees it.(hopefully)
Sexual preds are no joke people...they usually target kids...and since kids don't want to talk about it they usually go unchecked for a LONG time. Sickening.
Some of you guys will defend anything as long as it goes against "the man". Pitiful.



M.K.
Knight165

Couldn't agree more....the way I look at it is this....if the moron who committed these crimes knows in advance "Hey, if I commit this crime(the worst in my opinion...as far as messing with a child), I will have to put a sign in my yard, a sign on my car, wear a hat and shirt(whatever) that says I'm a sex offender,....MAYBE it will keep them from doing it....and if not...maybe it will keep them from BEING ABLE TO do it again.


And I'm not sure which poster above said this "Further, convicted murdereds out on parole don't have to have a sign on their car. Are we really more scared of a sex offender (who may have been an indecent exposure/statutory, non-violent case) than a murderer? That's why these things make no sense to me. Either we give scarlet letters to every convicted violent criminal or we don't give them to anyone. Anything else is setting a precedent that is inherently unfair to people accused of a certain type of crime."....

I do agree with this as well. If you commit a crime such as these, then there should be a similar if not the EXACT SAME, punishment for you as well.

I am from the South... Half of you would consider me a Redneck(this half I have a higher IQ than, as well as, a higher ACT or SAT score) and half of you wouldn't... I'm a big fan of you shoot me, rape me, try to do either of the two to me...you have just LOST your privilege to all the bells and whistles our defense attorneys have come up with to get people off for crimes they have committed. I mean seriously, you break into my house through a sky light, fall and land on a knife or just fall and break a leg...and you can sue me??? WTF are we doing people?

You break in my house(armed) and can threaten the lives of me, my wife, my 14 week old baby daughter, and I have the freakin right to stick a 357 mag to your head and rid this world of you.

[rsnomar05]

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Well how about this scenario?....that guy tricks some kid to come near his car so he can entice them into the vehicle and eventually molest them. Ain't happening with that sign on his car(as long as the kid can read)
Same goes for the house....if he manages to convince some kid to come into his house ....I'm sure it's for no good.....with the sign out there....the kid beats feet when he sees it.(hopefully)
Sexual preds are no joke people...they usually target kids...and since kids don't want to talk about it they usually go unchecked for a LONG time. Sickening.
Some of you guys will defend anything as long as it goes against "the man". Pitiful.



M.K.
Knight165

So then should murderers have a sign on their house, too? All this does is set a dangerous precedent, and none of these prevention methods have succeeded in reducing the likelihood of a repeat offense. The goal should be rehabilitation, and there is no chance of this if once they are released their house is marked.

[p_rushing]

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Couldn't agree more....the way I look at it is this....if the moron who committed these crimes knows in advance "Hey, if I commit this crime(the worst in my opinion...as far as messing with a child), I will have to put a sign in my yard, a sign on my car, wear a hat and shirt(whatever) that says I'm a sex offender,....MAYBE it will keep them from doing it....and if not...maybe it will keep them from BEING ABLE TO do it again.


And I'm not sure which poster above said this "Further, convicted murdereds out on parole don't have to have a sign on their car. Are we really more scared of a sex offender (who may have been an indecent exposure/statutory, non-violent case) than a murderer? That's why these things make no sense to me. Either we give scarlet letters to every convicted violent criminal or we don't give them to anyone. Anything else is setting a precedent that is inherently unfair to people accused of a certain type of crime."....

I do agree with this as well. If you commit a crime such as these, then there should be a similar if not the EXACT SAME, punishment for you as well.

I am from the South... Half of you would consider me a Redneck(this half I have a higher IQ than, as well as, a higher ACT or SAT score) and half of you wouldn't... I'm a big fan of you shoot me, rape me, try to do either of the two to me...you have just LOST your privilege to all the bells and whistles our defense attorneys have come up with to get people off for crimes they have committed. I mean seriously, you break into my house through a sky light, fall and land on a knife or just fall and break a leg...and you can sue me??? WTF are we doing people?

You break in my house(armed) and can threaten the lives of me, my wife, my 14 week old baby daughter, and I have the freakin right to stick a 357 mag to your head and rid this world of you.

I'm from the south too, but routinely work in the northeast and I can't believe the way most of the people think.

You break into my house or try and hurt someone in my family, you better hope I don't have some type of weapon near me. Unless you killed/knocked me out, you won't be leaving my property like you entered it. If your going to sue me also because I injured you, I'll give you something to sue me for.

People committed of murder, sex crimes, etc should either not be let out of jail or have to have signs all over the place. I don't care about rehabilitation, how many criminals for lesser crimes actually turn their life around. If they were worth having in society, they wouldn't of committed the crime. Obvious the punishments aren't working to deter crimes, so doing this might have some added effects.

Since when did these criminals deserve the right to not have anyone know what they did. You committed a crime, a felony, in my book, you no longer have any rights.

[Knight165]

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So then should murderers have a sign on their house, too? All this does is set a dangerous precedent, and none of these prevention methods have succeeded in reducing the likelihood of a repeat offense. The goal should be rehabilitation, and there is no chance of this if once they are released their house is marked.

Yep. The sign should read....."so and so lies here".
...and sexual predators are not really the rehabilitating kind. If it comes down to maybe stopping a kid(or adult) from getting in the guys car or home and not getting preyed upon or the offender getting humiliated...I'll take door #2.


M.K.
Knight165

[TheGamingChef]

Re: This should be the norm

Some of you guys will defend anything as long as it goes against "the man". Pitiful.

Yep, "pitiful" is how I would describe the basic American system of protecting everyone's rights.

Please. Your post brought up some good points, but that cheap shot at the end just destroyed any credibility you may have had in the first place. People acting like you are why OS can't have political discussions.

You committed a crime, a felony, in my book, you no longer have any rights.

Luckily, our courts do not agree with you.