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  • Brandwin
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jul 2002
    • 30621

    #1

    Should she be punished as well?

    I think so...

    ORANGE COUNTy, Fla. -- A 13-year-old girl's sexual shenanigans have put a second man behind bars. Morris Williams, 22, told the judge he thought the girl was 18-years-old, but he found out Tuesday that ignorance is not a defense.

    Morris Williams' mother wailed as he went off to jail. The judge asked for media not to show 13-year-old Alisha Dean's face in court, but her pictures are all over her MySpace page and they portray a sexy, 19-year-old divorced woman.

    "She told me she had just turned 18," Williams said.

    Williams said Dean picked him up on the street and after a few conversations they had sex. When he heard she was not 18, he went to her father.

    "He was like 'well, she's 13,'" Williams said of a conversation with Dean's father.

    Williams said he never did it again, but Dean has done it before with 24-year-old Darwin Mills. Mills was sentenced to five years in prison.

    Dean's father wanted Williams to join Mills there.

    "One of the reasons for the law is the fact that minors have poor judgment," said Jerry Dean, the girl's father.

    Williams' father believes the jail sentence sends the wrong message to Alisha.

    "I guess we just sit back and count how many after this," Henry Smith asked after his step-son was sentenced to jail.

    Dean's family admits Alisha still stays out late and has yet to delete her misleading MySpace page.

    Williams will serve six years probation with the first year in jail. The other five years he will have to wear an ankle monitor. His attorney says he will come back to court to ask again for a shorter sentence.

    source & pic of the girl: http://www.wftv.com/news/16348047/detail.html
  • MassNole
    Banned
    • Mar 2006
    • 18848

    #2
    Re: Should she be punished as well?

    What exactly would you punish her for?

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    • Double Eights
      Banned
      • Nov 2005
      • 5733

      #3
      Re: Should she be punished as well?

      Conspiracy?
      Criminal Negligence?
      Criminal Recklessness?

      I don't know, I'm not a lawyer nor a law student. Those are just three off the top of my head that could make sense. Could you prosecute her for any of those?
      Last edited by Double Eights; 06-02-2008, 06:17 PM.

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #4
        Re: Should she be punished as well?

        Hm, see I don't blame the guy for not knowing. Looking at that pic she looks way older then her years and she out and out lied to the world with her myspace page.

        I dunno I think Criminal Recklessness would be a good charge.
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        • davin
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 2174

          #5
          Re: Should she be punished as well?

          I can't think of what you could charge her for, but at the very least she should get some kind of punishment (not saying it is up to the state to do that). If she keeps doing this type of thing though, I don't know.

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          • MassNole
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            • Mar 2006
            • 18848

            #6
            Re: Should she be punished as well?

            A person who is in the class of people the law seeks to protect cannot be charged with conspiracy to commit the underlying crime, meaning a minor cannot be charged with conspiracy to commit statutory rape under these circumstances.

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            • SPTO
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              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #7
              Re: Should she be punished as well?

              Originally posted by MassNole
              A person who is in the class of people the law seeks to protect cannot be charged with conspiracy to commit the underlying crime, meaning a minor cannot be charged with conspiracy to commit statutory rape under these circumstances.
              So you're saying young girls who can pass for 18+ can lie and connive their way into mens beds and not be punished for it?

              What a great world we have!
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              • TheLetterZ
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                • Jul 2002
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                #8
                Re: Should she be punished as well?

                I don't know about the law, but I can't believe her parents let her get away with this. She's done this twice now and her parents have yet to take any action against her?

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                • snepp
                  We'll waste him too.
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 10007

                  #9
                  Re: Should she be punished as well?

                  How about civil court?

                  Clearly the little bitch ho knows what she's doing, someone should have to take responsibility.
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                  • RAZRr1275
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                    • Sep 2007
                    • 9918

                    #10
                    Re: Should she be punished as well?

                    Originally posted by TheLetterZ
                    I don't know about the law, but I can't believe her parents let her get away with this. She's done this twice now and her parents have yet to take any action against her?
                    Yeah. And the father is way out of line when he says the law exists because minors have bad judgement. That is what parents are for. The law is for Adults that have bad judgement. That's the way that I see it.
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                    • SPTO
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                      • Feb 2003
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                      #11
                      Re: Should she be punished as well?

                      Originally posted by RAZRr1275
                      Yeah. And the father is way out of line when he says the law exists because minors have bad judgement. That is what parents are for. The law is for Adults that have bad judgement. That's the way that I see it.
                      Having this happen to her once is bad judgment but more then that then it's a premeditated action. I have a feeling she's one of those girls that the parents see no wrong from and she plays the victim so well that it even fools the parents.
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                      • PlayaHataSupreme
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 2209

                        #12
                        Re: Should she be punished as well?

                        I would not feel at all sad if, in these types of acts, if she got sexually abused during one of these encounters.

                        Not that I'm exactly wishing for it to happen......... but just saying if it were to happen, no sympathy would be coming from me.
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                        • RAZRr1275
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                          • Sep 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: Should she be punished as well?

                          Originally posted by SPTO
                          Having this happen to her once is bad judgment but more then that then it's a premeditated action. I have a feeling she's one of those girls that the parents see no wrong from and she plays the victim so well that it even fools the parents.
                          Yeah. If the parents don't work then the law comes in. She should be punished too. If she can do that in my opinion she's an adult.
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                          • PlayaHataSupreme
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                            • Jun 2003
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                            #14
                            Re: Should she be punished as well?

                            And how does "entrapment" work in cases like these?

                            Is that not some sort of "entrapment" when it comes to cases like these?
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                            • Trevytrev11
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                              • Nov 2006
                              • 3259

                              #15
                              Re: Should she be punished as well?

                              Seems the law in statatory rape cases should only come into effect if the underage party has made it clear that she is underage or if she hasn't made it clear that she is of legal age. If she is obviously trying to mislead men into sleeping with her, she should bear a portion if not the majority of the blame.

                              Obviously in many cases, this would end up being a he said-she said battle, but in this case here, it's obvious by her page as well as her history that she knows what she is doing.

                              Maybe you're supposed to ask to see the ID of every girl you sleep with these days, but I would think doing so would turn many of those women away.
                              Hell, what if he asked for her ID and she showed him a fake one? What else could he have done?

                              The way I see it, in most cases, prison should be used to punish those that knew what they were doing was wrong and then went ahead with it anyway. This guy obviously felt bad about what he did as he went and admitted it to the father of the girl. What is the punishment teaching this guy? That women are out to get him. In his mind, based on the facts he knew, he did nothing wrong.

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