Now this is some BS!

[Chaos81]

Re: Now this is some BS!

Still, that's pretty close. Stats will vary from study to study however.

Yep, still pretty close, and yes, stats will vary from study to study, but I'll take one done in 2007 when talking about "right now", over ones done in 2002. The study I posted also deals with 48,000 kids compared to 1,000 like one of the ones you posted.

And as I've said, drug dealers don't require ID.

Neither do friends, family members, liquor cabinets in a house, and for that matter, some bars and liquor stores. I can think of 3 bars within 2 miles of my house that don't ID.

Edit: also, I should point out...while reading the MtF study, you have to pay attention to the wording of the questions...It says "How difficult is _____ to get". Not purchase. Most teens have access to alcohol at home and the wording could be skewing the results somewhat. The link I posted specifically uses the word "buy" in it's relation to how it's obtained.

Yes, and the statement you made earlier in the thread was that it's easier for kids to obtain, not buy.

I agree there is a big difference between being able to obtain something, and having to buy something, but you said obtain earlier in this thread, and that's what I was responding to. Now maybe you meant buy, I don't know I just read the following, and went with what was said.

Right now, it's been proven that illegal drugs are easier for kids to obtain than alcohol

[Bahnzo]

Re: Now this is some BS!

Now maybe you meant buy, I don't know I just read the following, and went with what was said.

I did mean buy, the links I posted were from the study I had in my memory. But it's really splitting hairs....my main point is that drugs are far easier for minors to get a hold of than a majority of people think. When I talk about legalization, one main argument is always "But then it will be easier for children to get a hold of it!" when in reality they have ready access to them already. The good thing is they don't tend to use them. Social stigma and education work far better than punishment and fines.

And still not answered: Prohibition didn't work back in the 30's, why are we still trying the same thing now all these years later. Throwing more money and law enforcement at the problem, if anything, has made it worse. Those of you that don't think drugs should be legal, explain to me why we should continue on the same beaten path that we have for 35 years now instead of legalizing and regulating them in a strict manner? What else would possibly work better than the prohibition we have now that isn't working?

[MassNole]

Re: Now this is some BS!

I did mean buy, the links I posted were from the study I had in my memory. But it's really splitting hairs....my main point is that drugs are far easier for minors to get a hold of than a majority of people think. When I talk about legalization, one main argument is always "But then it will be easier for children to get a hold of it!" when in reality they have ready access to them already. The good thing is they don't tend to use them. Social stigma and education work far better than punishment and fines.

And still not answered: Prohibition didn't work back in the 30's, why are we still trying the same thing now all these years later. Throwing more money and law enforcement at the problem, if anything, has made it worse. Those of you that don't think drugs should be legal, explain to me why we should continue on the same beaten path that we have for 35 years now instead of legalizing and regulating them in a strict manner? What else would possibly work better than the prohibition we have now that isn't working?

I split hairs on what drugs should be legal and illegal, I take the old hippy approach that if it comes from the ground it should be legal. That being said, legalizing Crack or Heroine isn't going to prevent criminal actions associated with someone getting the money necessary to pay for the drug. Because it will be easier to get, you'll have many more people, probably around whatever we deem the legal age to be (18-21?) who will try it and get addicted if readily available. This would make the problem much worse in middle-upper middle class communities.

In addition to this, the places where one would almost always be under threat of siege for the drugs inside. How many more senseless deathes would their be by addicts who need their fix when the pharmacist or clerk refuses to give them the drugs? If the answer is even just one, this solution really isn't viable. Now before I get hit with the onslaught of what about the innocent deaths associated with drug raids, that is a moot point. These deaths, whereas tragic, are still the fault of the dealer themself for putting these people, whether it be innocent bystanders or family members. In a perfect world the Felony Murder rule would attach to these raids and the supplier would face even more stringent penalities.

The black market would still operate much the same way it does with cigarettes. Even worse, those on the black market who now have competition for prices would cut costs and lead to potentially more lethal street drugs because of the cost cutting measures.

As for the free market of drugs, where would the supplies come from? Would we require it to be produced locally so that US corporate money won't be going directly to drug cartels outside of our borders. Given our free market economy, that is precisely what would happen. Now if we regulate around that problem, we have a bunch of pissed off, extremely violent people mad at us. I'd hate to think of the ways they would attempt to get revenge or where money might go to get revenge on the US government for killing their business.

Seriously if we look at this in a reasonable manner and take into account other factors and risk assessment, how is it possibly a good idea to legalize street drugs?

[CeltBhoy33]

Re: Now this is some BS!

Holy crap. I don't agree with smoking weed, but that's just f'd up.

Wow,
So I have a question. Since this is injustice completly. Can anyone turn this over so he will not be in for life?
This is awful

[X*Cell]

Re: Now this is some BS!

Wow,
So I have a question. Since this is injustice completly. Can anyone turn this over so he will not be in for life?
This is awful

he ended up being released. The link to the story is somewhere in the middle of this thread.