"I'm alive, dammit!!!"

[Chaos81]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

Wow. How did it stop?

I imagine the electrical impulses stopped going from my brain to my heart. Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.


In all seriousness, I don't remember what happened, or what caused my heart to stop beating.


I just remember being told I was in the Children's Hospital for the first 6-8 months of my life, that my heart stopped 3 times, and that I was due on Halloween, but was born on September 5th. It's not something I've asked my parents about in a long time, because the last time I did my Mom started crying as she started to remember everything. Not pleasant thoughts for them I'm sure.

[dkgojackets]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

The doctor should have to pay in some amout but I don't think it to be as much of an issue as the legal system and others think it to be. It all comes down to this simple reality.

1. Doctors are humans.
2. Humans make mistakes no matter how much training they have.
3. This is a doctors version of someone in an office accidently making a paper jam. The doctors version is more serious because it's dealing with a human and I get that but the point is that a doctor is going to mess up sometime during his career just like the rest of us will no matter what.

Honest mistakes are different fromnegligence, which is what the courts must differentiate between.

[J0nnD0ugh]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

That's true.

I've seen that scenario happen PLENTY of times. And I don't know if this couple will see it that way or not, it's up to them. I haven't been working on the suit but I've seen many people talking about the money that they got instead of what happened to them or a loved one that got them the money. All I'm saying is that in a suit the money isn't the point. How you got that money is. That's all that people need to remember and the sad thing is that most don't.

So you're saying the victims should just wallow in sorrow? Isn't the money supposed to help eleviate the pain & suffering because of someone's negligence? Just because they are happy they have the money doesn't mean they wouldn't trade it for a second if they could reverse that mistake. If they can get a little joy after tragedy, I'm all for it. They deserve it. I don't think its fair to picture them as opportunists.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

The doctor should have to pay in some amout but I don't think it to be as much of an issue as the legal system and others think it to be. It all comes down to this simple reality.

1. Doctors are humans.
2. Humans make mistakes no matter how much training they have.
3. This is a doctors version of someone in an office accidently making a paper jam. The doctors version is more serious because it's dealing with a human and I get that but the point is that a doctor is going to mess up sometime during his career just like the rest of us will no matter what.

I'm just trying to get where you are coming from on this, but if one of your family members (say a child) was killed in an auto accident in which say a UPS driver mistakenly ran your child (who was in a cross walk) over, you would be satisfied by getting the medical and funeral expenses paid for by UPS, but getting nothing else for the pain and suffering that you will go through probably for the remainder of your life as you grieve over the loss of a loved one that was taken from you because of a mistake made by another human?

[fishepa]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

I'm just trying to get where you are coming from on this, but if one of your family members (say a child) was killed in an auto accident in which say a UPS driver mistakenly ran your child (who was in a cross walk) over, you would be satisfied by getting the medical and funeral expenses paid for by UPS, but getting nothing else for the pain and suffering that you will go through probably for the remainder of your life as you grieve over the loss of a loved one that was taken from you because of a mistake made by another human?

That's a totally different scenario than the one presented by the original poster.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

That's a totally different scenario than the one presented by the original poster.

I agree 100%, but the guy is essentially saying that because it was a human mistake, the impacted party should get money for damages (medical bills, funeral bills, ect), but not for pain and suffering because the doctor was a human and humans make mistakes. This is a different scenario, but fits that bill and may be a little more likely to happen.

So basically, I'm just saying if a UPS driver or any driver made a mistake (accidents are mistakes, they are usually not intentional acts except for insurance fraud purposes), would he still feel the same way if it was someone close to him.

[dkgojackets]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

I agree 100%, but the guy is essentially saying that because it was a human mistake, the impacted party should get money for damages (medical bills, funeral bills, ect), but not for pain and suffering because the doctor was a human and humans make mistakes. This is a different scenario, but fits that bill and may be a little more likely to happen.

So basically, I'm just saying if a UPS driver or any driver made a mistake (accidents are mistakes, they are usually not intentional acts except for insurance fraud purposes), would he still feel the same way if it was someone close to him.

There is a difference between criminal negligence and an accident.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

So you're saying the victims should just wallow in sorrow? Isn't the money supposed to help eleviate the pain & suffering because of someone's negligence? Just because they are happy they have the money doesn't mean they wouldn't trade it for a second if they could reverse that mistake. If they can get a little joy after tragedy, I'm all for it. They deserve it. I don't think its fair to picture them as opportunists.

You think the money helps the pain? I don't think so at all. You tell me how it can help the pain because I just don't get it. They should be wallowing in sorrow no matter what happens.
That's just what humans do.

It all depends on the person. Most people that I see sue do it just to say hahaha I'm rich. Others sue for a reason and are thinking about what happened like they should and then the money corrupts them. Others remember about what happened when they use the money.

I'm just trying to get where you are coming from on this, but if one of your family members (say a child) was killed in an auto accident in which say a UPS driver mistakenly ran your child (who was in a cross walk) over, you would be satisfied by getting the medical and funeral expenses paid for by UPS, but getting nothing else for the pain and suffering that you will go through probably for the remainder of your life as you grieve over the loss of a loved one that was taken from you because of a mistake made by another human?

I never said I'd be satisfied because the child would still be dead BUT getting more money than that wouldn't make me any more satisfied than before. My focus would still be on the child NO MATTER WHAT. Everytime I used that money I'd be thinking about the child. Most people I see though just take the money and then forget about what happens. That's what I don't like.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

There is a difference between criminal negligence and an accident.

There's NO WAY for any human to EVER tell if it was criminal negligence or an accident. You'd have to be inside the person's brain at that time and that's not possible.

[dkgojackets]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

There's NO WAY for any human to EVER tell if it was criminal negligence or an accident. You'd have to be inside the person's brain at that time and that's not possible.

You don't have to be 100% sure or even prove it was negligence beyond a reasonable doubt, civil cases are decided based upon a preponderance of the evidence.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

You don't have to be 100% sure or even prove it was negligence beyond a reasonable doubt, civil cases are decided based upon a preponderance of the evidence.

I know that but your post said that it was criminal negligence. I'm just saying that it's wrong to say either way because you don't know.

[dkgojackets]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

I know that but your post said that it was criminal negligence. I'm just saying that it's wrong to say either way because you don't know.

No it didnt. I dont know all the facts of this case so I cant say. My post was just saying that the exact same event (such as a UPS driver killing a kid in the street) could have different consequences depending on if it qualifies as negligence (driver fell asleep/was trying to eat while driving) or not (somehow the brakes snapped, etc.)

[RAZRr1275]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

No it didnt. I dont know all the facts of this case so I cant say. My post was just saying that the exact same event (such as a UPS driver killing a kid in the street) could have different consequences depending on if it qualifies as negligence (driver fell asleep/was trying to eat while driving) or not (somehow the brakes snapped, etc.)

Yeah but driving is more black and white than a doctor. If a doctor used a defib like they should and the patient didn't revive then I'd agree with calling them dead. I just don't think that if that's the case you can call him negligence or really blam him for what happened.

[p_rushing]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

The lawsuits are one of the main problems with health care costs today. Doctors and hospitals have to pay a ton for insurance and most of them have never had any problems. I would agree that you should get money for any medical bills on going for the same issue/cause and loss in wage difference, but really pain and suffering won't matter other than you getting rich. Unless it was a criminal act, the doctor didn't do anything on purpose.

[J.R. Locke]

Re: "I'm alive, dammit!!!"

The lawsuits are one of the main problems with health care costs today. Doctors and hospitals have to pay a ton for insurance and most of them have never had any problems. I would agree that you should get money for any medical bills on going for the same issue/cause and loss in wage difference, but really pain and suffering won't matter other than you getting rich. Unless it was a criminal act, the doctor didn't do anything on purpose.

I find it amazing that there are certain industries in which accountability is thrown out the window because of respectability of the profession.

The American health care system is terrible and costs more but it has more to do with Americans, we have a lack of doctors because American's tend not to excel at these positions that require a lot of education and training. So we have to buy foreigners. We also have an chronically sick populace with preventable diseases. This cost to the system is the one no politician or person ever seems to want to tackle....and is the real reason cost have inflated in the last 20 years.

But the same people that often say that our current health care system is terrible never want to do anything to change it....like join the rest of the democratic free world and have universal health care.

I personally don't care I never go to the doctor and when I die I die.