BoBo Jerseys catch the NFL's attention.

[BrianFifaFan]

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I'm not trying to attack you so let me apologize b/c looking back the post comes off that way.

But you post still deserves a big "C'MON SON"

You knew it was wrong. Getting all this music that you paid $14 per CD in the store for.... free...??

I wouldn't disagree. But the way I viewed it was someone paid the 14 bucks, and the law at the time said they could share. Was it ethical? Nope, but it was legal. I'll be honest. I've had more than my share of torrents, as well. Some of it high dollar stuff. But, I've also spent legit thousands of dollars on programs that no longer work or are just simply out of date. You can dog me about my current endeavors. But, all jokes aside, I always liked P2P because I could pick the music I liked. Not get 8 songs shoved down my throat that blew. That's why I had no problem switching to Rhapsody. Same concept.

I have no problem paying for things, and understand the underlying concept of why it's so important. But, to echo a previous poster, 200 bucks for an authentic? That's a big "Come On, Man!" A jersey isn't a status symbol. It's a piece of cloth that I like to wear to show my "fandom!" I don't think either Carson or Esteban is hurting too bad. Or the members of Metallica. But, in the interest of legality, I'll do without. Software, I'm working on....

P.S. Every game I've ever had was legal. And that's thousands upon thousands of wasted money!

[Burns11]

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and the law at the time said they could share.

No it didn't.

[55]

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I don't really care about who gets the buck...

As someone who was a working musician for years and relied on it as my primary source of income for quite some time, I find your viewpoint, particularly the sentence I quoted, quite appalling. My band was on a small record label and mainly relied on merchandise sales to make an income. Some gutless thief from Indonesia decided to bootleg our t-shirts and made a small fortune selling them on eBay several years ago and it sucks. He must have sold hundreds of them (for anywhere between $20 and $50 each) over a 3-4 year span. Do you know how much that sucks? People downloading our music doesn't piss me off nearly as much because nobody is profiting off of us, whereas with bootleg merchandise there is a lot of money changing hands that is basically being systematically stolen from us. Bet you never looked at it that way, did you?

[BrianFifaFan]

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As someone who was a working musician for years and relied on it as my primary source of income for quite some time, I find your viewpoint, particularly the sentence I quoted, quite appalling. My band was on a small record label and mainly relied on merchandise sales to make an income. Some gutless thief from Indonesia decided to bootleg our t-shirts and made a small fortune selling them on eBay several years ago and it sucks. He must have sold hundreds of them (for anywhere between $20 and $50 each) over a 3-4 year span. Do you know how much that sucks? People downloading our music doesn't piss me off nearly as much because nobody is profiting off of us, whereas with bootleg merchandise there is a lot of money changing hands that is basically being systematically stolen from us. Bet you never looked at it that way, did you?

No, I didn't. I always figured they were like "factory seconds." One's that didn't make the retail cut. They had all the proper tags and all. As to the music stuff, my tastes always ranged to what was out of date, so I really didn't have a lot of qualms about downloading an old Peter Gabriel or Eagles song. I just liked the freedom of making a "what I want" CD.

But I can understand your feelings, and trust me, I buy the majority (99%) of my stuff legit. I've only bought about 5 jerseys, ever. I just had a problem paying 75 for a replica at Dick's (which I did) when I could get an "authentic" off of E-Bay for 55. Then I'm paying 45-50 to go see the game. I feel for you, but the economics of the NFL side have me puzzled as to why it's so expensive. As I said before, I'm done with it after that revelation. It's not really a moral issue for me, as much as I don't need to tempt things and possibly end up costing myself much more than any enjoyment that said scrap of cloth would bring me.

[BrianFifaFan]

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No it didn't.

Should have put "share." P2P software was not ruled illegal, at said time. Court cases decided that. Now I'm not gonna argue about copyright laws. Didn't really know or care much about them until the whole Napster/Morpheus/Kazaa stuff. When it was made clear that I'd "go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200" I quit and went Rhapsody. I've never once condoned or promoted piracy. But, I'm not gonna say that I haven't had a few torrents. If that makes me any worse of a person than I already know that I am, OK. I was trying to find bargains or "loopholes" in some cases. If you don't tell me it's illegal, I might try it, as long as it's not morally offensive.

[55]

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No, I didn't. I always figured they were like "factory seconds."

There might be such a thing as "factory seconds" when you're Metallica and playing in front of 20,000 people a night. But when you're like how my band was and are only playing in front of 200 or so people a night, there is no such thing as "factory seconds" as you put it.

We had an option of either taking a percentage of the merchandise our label printed (usually 25% or 50 shirts for every 200 he printed) or paying for our own merchandise and selling it at our shows and via mail order. Doing the latter was much more profitable for us, but at the same time we had to put our own money into it. To get 200 high quality, full color, two sided t-shirts professionally printed costs around $1500 or so. That comes from our pockets. If you sell those 200 shirts at $15 each that comes out to around $3000 or so, which means we would have profited around $1500. The thing is though, you don't sell 200 t-shirts a night when you are a band on an indie label like we were. It takes time.

Meanwhile, some loser in Indonesia is printing low quality stuff with our logo on it for less than half the price we put into our high quality merchandise and selling it for twice as much, calling it "exclusive" shirts, hoodies, etc. etc. I have seen some of these bootleg shirts that some of our fans and friends have bought from the bootleggers and the poor quality of them is embarrassing to say the least. Not only does some thief pocket around $30 profit off of every single shirt he bootlegs but he also puts something out there of inferior quality with our name on it. Not only is he stealing from us, but is also making us look bad. If I ever saw that guy in person I would turn into the Incredible Hulk.

[rockchisler]

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http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/mobile/tradersworldraid Man, keepin it real, I have a few less-than-authentics. I used to burn up E-Bay and have a friend who deals in them. Hope he didn't set up shop down there. 2,000 jerseys? Lots of money lost and Felony charges to boot? Man, I thought the Napster crackdown was bad. I'm done with bobo's, if I can't afford real, no jerseys. Not worth it.....

My mom loves going to Tradersworld we we come to Dayton, I never went because it was the women that went and I didn't want to be there all day, I wish i knew they sold jerseys like that I would have swooped up a few.

[aholbert32]

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I wouldn't disagree. But the way I viewed it was someone paid the 14 bucks, and the law at the time said they could share. Was it ethical? Nope, but it was legal. I'll be honest. I've had more than my share of torrents, as well. Some of it high dollar stuff. But, I've also spent legit thousands of dollars on programs that no longer work or are just simply out of date. You can dog me about my current endeavors. But, all jokes aside, I always liked P2P because I could pick the music I liked. Not get 8 songs shoved down my throat that blew. That's why I had no problem switching to Rhapsody. Same concept.

I have no problem paying for things, and understand the underlying concept of why it's so important. But, to echo a previous poster, 200 bucks for an authentic? That's a big "Come On, Man!" A jersey isn't a status symbol. It's a piece of cloth that I like to wear to show my "fandom!" I don't think either Carson or Esteban is hurting too bad. Or the members of Metallica. But, in the interest of legality, I'll do without. Software, I'm working on....

P.S. Every game I've ever had was legal. And that's thousands upon thousands of wasted money!

The law NEVER said you could share music from one person to the other. You were only allowed to make backups for your own personal use. That goes for DVDs, CDs and Mp3s

[elgreazy1]

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I know this is slightly off topic, but where would I go to find NFL jerseys that have an athletic cut to them? I'm looking for something that is as fitted & streamlined as the real jerseys players where -- for instance at media days.

I'm a weird build: too in shape to be fat, too big & wide to be thin, etc so all the "generous fit" jerseys you can buy look awful on me. I'm either wearing a Medium with huge bird sleeves and a fitted chest or a Large and look like a kid.

[BrianFifaFan]

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The law NEVER said you could share music from one person to the other. You were only allowed to make backups for your own personal use. That goes for DVDs, CDs and Mp3s

That's why I clarified "legal." Didn't really ever read the fine print of the law. At the time Napster was legal. Meaning that there were no public court cases against it. I went on it and "wow!" Music for days. Didn't really think about it, if it was there and full of stuff and nobodys challenging it, I'm doing it!Now I wouldn't. Same thing with jerseys. Really did think they were factory seconds, that they couldn't ship due to some type of minor imperfection. I've even bought a TV off of EBay that was marked "salvage." Didn't have any warranty, but got it for 200 bucks below retail. Probably written off on some insurance claim for damaged shipment, then resold. Didn't really care about where it came from. It was my PC monitor for 3 years and still works. (gave it to my dad after he gave me this 42" Dynex for Christmas.)

I'm about trying to get some decent stuff, as cheaply as possible. Whole new gigabit network is all refurb. I love refurbs! They get it right the second time! But I don't go out looking to break laws, or be a pirate. Just trying to stretch the buck. Got two kids to feed in a cruddy economy. But to go back to the original statement. In hindsight, guess the music was never legal. Court decided that, and I'm cool with it. Same with the jerseys. Peace!