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  • Stumbleweed
    Livin' the dream
    • Oct 2006
    • 6279

    #1

    Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

    Thought some of you dudes would appreciate this. There's a link to the actual meta-analysis of the studies in this article if you want to see it for yourself. But the basic conclusion is that saturated fats have no correlation to increased levels of heart disease. http://thehealthyskeptic.org/new-stu...disease-coffin

    "The recent review I’m talking about is a meta-analysis published this week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. It pooled together data from 21 unique studies that included almost 350,000 people, about 11,000 of whom developed cardiovascular disease (CVD), tracked for an average of 14 years, and concluded that there is no relationship between the intake of saturated fat and the incidence of heart disease or stroke.

    Let me put that in layman’s terms for you:

    Eating saturated fat doesn’t cause heart disease.

    There. That’s it. That’s really all you need to know. But if you’d like to read more about it, John Briffa and Chris Masterjohn have written articles about it here and here.

    I wonder how long it will take for this information to trickle down into the mainstream culture? Unfortunately it’s not going to happen overnight. Paradigm shifts don’t work that way. But I’ve seen some positive signs, and I do believe the tide is turning. Let’s hope it doesn’t take another 50 years."

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    And another read about cholesterol and why the "good" and "bad" designations are not only inaccurate but have contributed to an increase in heart disease due to the alternatives offered (namely, carbs): http://thehealthyskeptic.org/the-mos...ut-cholesterol

    "Let’s review what we’ve been told for more than 50 years:

    1. Eating saturated fat and cholesterol in the diet raises “bad” cholesterol in the blood and increases the risk of heart disease.
    2. Reducing intake or saturated fat and cholesterol protects us against heart disease.

    Now, let’s examine what credible scientific research published in major peer-reviewed journals in the last decade tells us:

    1. Eating saturated fat and cholesterol reduces the type of cholesterol associated with heart disease.
    2. Replacing saturated fat and cholesterol with carbohydrates lowers “good” (HDL) cholesterol, raises triglyceride levels, and increases our risk of heart disease."

    I'm gonna go home and eat a tart made with lard... with a farm fresh egg cracked on top. Take that, 70's food scientists, you dicks!
    Send your Midnight Release weirdo pics/videos to my new website: http://www.peopleofmidnightreleases.com!
  • CreatineKasey
    MVP
    • Sep 2007
    • 4897

    #2
    Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

    Good post.

    People focus on the wrong things with nutrition sometimes. To me, it's about balance.

    I go to school for Food Science and Nutrition. I remember learning about how our own body creates cholesterol and regulates it. After I learned that I never feared cholesterol. There are usually more important things to focus on than saturated fat and cholesterol.
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    • Adam Dayton
      Banned
      • Jan 2008
      • 1835

      #3
      Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

      Since when is heart disease the only issue when it comes to the dangers of a diet high in saturated fats?-



      Last edited by Adam Dayton; 02-15-2010, 10:51 PM.

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      • stewaat

        #4
        Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

        I was about to come in here and be like SATURATED FATS AREN'T BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

        But it wasn't necessary haha...but I did it anyways!

        I eat 12 whole eggs a day and ~1 lb of red meat (ground beef)

        I'm in better shape than 90% of the population, no health issues, and I have energy.

        Bottom line is $$$ when telling facts to the public

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        • stewaat

          #5
          Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

          Originally posted by Adam Dayton
          Since when is heart disease the only issue when it comes to the dangers of a diet high in saturated fats?-



          http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/200...-cancer-linked
          That is such BS

          You can show anything you want with these studies. Not credible one bit.

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          • Adam Dayton
            Banned
            • Jan 2008
            • 1835

            #6
            Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

            Originally posted by stewaat
            That is such BS

            You can show anything you want with these studies. Not credible one bit.
            How exactly are these studies not credible?

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            • TheMatrix31
              RF
              • Jul 2002
              • 52927

              #7
              Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

              Every study when it comes to science and all that crap contradicts the one prior to it.

              Just eat things in moderation, and you'll be fine. Most of this **** is genetic.

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              • Adam Dayton
                Banned
                • Jan 2008
                • 1835

                #8
                Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                Every study when it comes to science and all that crap contradicts the one prior to it.

                Just eat things in moderation, and you'll be fine. Most of this **** is genetic.
                When viewing studies it's important to look at the scientific organization conducting the study. Some are way more credible than others. When I see information contradicting what is thought to be conventional knowledge concerning something (IE: The information the most reputable organizations in the world deliver as the current standard), obviously common sense would tell you to question the organizations providing counter arguments. Agree with the moderation comments, 12 eggs in one day is nuts amount of sat fat.

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                • stewaat

                  #9
                  Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                  I'm not going to debate it. If you want to follow what you believe is credible then go ahead.

                  My cholesterol, blood pressure, pulse, and everything you could think of was perfectly fine when I had a physical a couple weeks back. I've been eating like this for two years.

                  Believe what you want to believe fellas! I'll be healthy, in good shape, and playing sports into my 40's while eating my high sat fat foods! Hope you guys are in shape too.

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                  • Laffer
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 213

                    #10
                    Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                    The study was a neat little read. The website though, wow, that guy sure has a bone to pick. Seems like a nut job to me.

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                    • Adam Dayton
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 1835

                      #11
                      Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                      Originally posted by stewaat
                      I'm not going to debate it. If you want to follow what you believe is credible then go ahead.

                      My cholesterol, blood pressure, pulse, and everything you could think of was perfectly fine when I had a physical a couple weeks back. I've been eating like this for two years.

                      Believe what you want to believe fellas! I'll be healthy, in good shape, and playing sports into my 40's while eating my high sat fat foods! Hope you guys are in shape too.
                      So in other words, you are basing your entire opinion about something that counters researched correlative data based upon many scientific trials using thousands of subjects analyzed by experts in the field because you have not had any health complications from following an unorthodox dietary pattern for 2 years, and for this reason you preach your results as gospel and the scientific data as hogwash. I just want to make sure that's the argument you are laying down here.
                      Last edited by Adam Dayton; 02-16-2010, 01:30 AM.

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                      • chia51
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 1912

                        #12
                        Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                        Originally posted by stewaat
                        I was about to come in here and be like SATURATED FATS AREN'T BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        But it wasn't necessary haha...but I did it anyways!

                        I eat 12 whole eggs a day and ~1 lb of red meat (ground beef)

                        I'm in better shape than 90% of the population, no health issues, and I have energy.

                        Bottom line is $$$ when telling facts to the public
                        This is the truth!.... Sat Fat does not equal fat people.

                        Not working out while eating unhealthy sat fats (BK, McDs, etc.) do.

                        I am on a very similar diet to Stewaat as well as my wife and we are both healthy and feel great.

                        Originally posted by Adam Dayton
                        So in other words, you are basing your entire opinion about something that counters researched correlative data based upon many scientific trials using thousands of subjects analyzed by experts in the field because you have not had any health complications from following an unorthodox dietary pattern for 2 years, and for this reason you preach your results as gospel and the scientific data as hogwash. I just want to make sure that's the argument you are laying down here.
                        Are you debating just to debate or do you actually believe mainstream health media? Stewaat has done his research before just go into the health/workout threads that we have here on OS... as well as Stumble... Just because Kellogs or Kraft MSNBC/CNN tell you something is either good or bad for you... doesn't necessarily mean it is.

                        If you want some credible sources about whats good for you then check out www.undergroundwellness.com ... check out his youtube vids... Sean is one of the best at what he does in the US. Take a look, you will start to see things differently. The wife and I have both talked to Sean personally and have been consulting with him for 3 months now and we both feel 100x better than we did before... and before we started talking to Sean we were both definitely healthier than the majority of Americans.

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                        • Cusefan
                          Earlwolfx on XBL
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 9820

                          #13
                          Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                          I will have a double cheeseburger(Raw), with Extra cheese and Cigarettes on top.
                          My dog's butt smells like cookies

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                          • Adam Dayton
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1835

                            #14
                            Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                            Originally posted by chia51
                            This is the truth!.... Sat Fat does not equal fat people.

                            Not working out while eating unhealthy sat fats (BK, McDs, etc.) do.

                            I am on a very similar diet to Stewaat as well as my wife and we are both healthy and feel great.



                            Are you debating just to debate or do you actually believe mainstream health media? Stewaat has done his research before just go into the health/workout threads that we have here on OS... as well as Stumble... Just because Kellogs or Kraft MSNBC/CNN tell you something is either good or bad for you... doesn't necessarily mean it is.

                            If you want some credible sources about whats good for you then check out www.undergroundwellness.com ... check out his youtube vids... Sean is one of the best at what he does in the US. Take a look, you will start to see things differently. The wife and I have both talked to Sean personally and have been consulting with him for 3 months now and we both feel 100x better than we did before... and before we started talking to Sean we were both definitely healthier than the majority of Americans.
                            I'm debating because I graduated at the top of my class in a health related major and ignorance makes my cringe. I am more educated on such issues than the majority of people on these forums, and such education was in classroom setting, not my own research on random internet sites. You started off your post saying saturated fat doesn't equal fat, something completely irrelevant and not what were discussing. A diet high in saturated fat has been linked to diabetes, cancer, and debatably heart disease and we have a person saying it is fine to eat because they are in good health for following such a diet for two years. While its important to question things, this conspiracy mindset when it comes to health can be a very dangerous line to cross. Of course I would generally follow conventional (taught in classroom) health information over counter opinions as it is conventional for a reason (The majority of reputable scientists in the field using research dub it correct.)
                            Last edited by Adam Dayton; 02-16-2010, 08:57 AM.

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                            • stewaat

                              #15
                              Re: Saturated Fat /= Heart Disease and Other Nutrition Stuff

                              Originally posted by Adam Dayton
                              I'm debating because I graduated at the top of my class in a health related major and ignorance makes my cringe. I am more educated on such issues than the majority of people on these forums, and such education was in classroom setting, not my own research on random internet sites. You started off your post saying saturated fat doesn't equal fat, something completely irrelevant and not what were discussing. A diet high in saturated fat has been linked to diabetes, cancer, and debatably heart disease and we have a person saying it is fine to eat because they are in good health for following such a diet for two years. While its important to question things, this conspiracy mindset when it comes to health can be a very dangerous line to cross. Of course I would generally follow conventional (taught in classroom) health information over counter opinions as it is conventional for a reason (The majority of reputable scientists in the field using research dub it correct.)
                              Why would all my blood work be "perfect" as the doctor says? After two years of consuming large amounts of saturated fat wouldn't I show some adverse effects?

                              There's no conspiracy that I have. I've researched nutrition on my own enough to have an educated grasp. No, I haven't been educated in nutrition...you have that...no debating it.



                              The USDA came up with that to combat heart disease. That's what our country came up with as an educated way to combat heart disease.

                              The cause of all the issues healthwise can be tied to this:
                              #1 - Sedentary lifestyles (sit at a desk, no exercise, too much TV)
                              #2 - Fast food (high fat, high carb, poor quality ingredients)
                              #3 - Processed food (low quality carbs, way too much sodium, no real nutritional value)
                              #4 - HFCS in everything
                              #5 - Large portion sizes = consuming calorie excess + #1-#4 = Obesity

                              The bad luck card: Predetermined risk due to family history

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