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  • DieHardYankee26
    BING BONG
    • Feb 2008
    • 10178

    #676
    Re: OS Book Club Pt II

    Got like 5 chapters into Huck Finn, which is nothing there's over 40, and just wasn't feeling it. Dunno if it was the vernacular, the premise, just didn't do much for me. I need to be hooked in the beginning. Back on the list it goes.

    Needed something else, so I read Night by Elie Wiesel. It relates to one of my favorite random quotes, a Jew writing on the wall of a concentration camp, "If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness." Just such a powerful statement.

    So obviously Night is about Wiesel's time surviving in the Holocaust. The way it made him react toward the idea of mercy, and the way he explains how systematically hope was destroyed by the Nazis is intense. The wild thing was how long it took. I guess as people we think relatively, this situation being better than that situation, but I can't imagine the level of hopelessness you'd get to being forced to walk until it starts to become a positive that you're approaching the place that you're supposed to die. It is a different level of awareness of the inhumanity of the time when you hear it from the victim. It actually makes me want to see if there's a first person or even remotely autobiographical account of the Trail of Tears.

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    I want to read the other two parts of the trilogy, they're both short. They're fictional continuations of the effects of the Holocaust on survivors, so that should be interesting. I'll be interested to see what led him back to his faith after it being decimated so thoroughly. For now though, onto Colson Whitehead and the Underground Railroad.
    Originally posted by G Perico
    If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
    I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
    In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
    The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #677
      Re: OS Book Club Pt II

      I am about a third of the way through Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix which is the same length as most novels. Most of this progress has come over the span of the past two nights. It has been awhile since I've wanted to keep reading like an addict, but have forced myself to go to sleep so I wouldn't pay for it the next day. Despite the burnout I started to experience during Goblet of Fire Rowling has brought me fully back into the world of Harry Potter.

      For me, as I'm re-reading through the series, there is a cloud that hangs over this book unlike the others (I have not read Year 7 before) and its name is Umbridge. There is no other character I so thoroughly despise than this witch. I have to commend Rowling for creating such a deplorable character to create such anxiety BEFORE starting my re-read this weekend.

      Despite my hatred of her actual character Umbridge serves a pivotal role in the series. Prisoner of Azkaban is when the series starts to mature and gives the series a much more serious overtone compared to Years 1 and 2. Coming off the heals of Goblet of Fire's climax Order of the Phoenix takes a similar step-up in maturity as Rowling introduces a handful of complex themes through Umbridge such as civil disobedience, corrupt authority, roles of government, and character assassinations.

      Developing these themes allows Rowling more room to expand the drama. The omniscient threat of Voldemort is still there and builds throughout the book through these themes. The drama feels more compelling and tangible as a result.

      As much as I absolutely despise Umbridge I love what Rowling did through her (and does to her eventually).



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      • DieHardYankee26
        BING BONG
        • Feb 2008
        • 10178

        #678
        Re: OS Book Club Pt II

        Lol such vitriol for Umbridge. I remember everyone hating her, but again I was young when I read those so I don't know if our reasons were justified or if she was just the literary equivalent of everyone's worst nightmare teacher. They seem to have been justified lol.

        I finished Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead. It was very good, although any fiction book about slavery has to compete with Beloved which is impossible. Still, he weaves the story in a way that despite switching perspectives, the plot stays clear. The Underground Railroad in this is also a legit kinda cross country subway system, which is cool but doesn't really have a huge impact from if it were just a trail with safe houses and whatnot. The antagonist kinda reminded me of The Judge from Blood Meridian but just ideologically. The way he accepted the terms of the world he lived in and carved out his role for himself, he didn't care for whether it was good or bad, just whatever it took to survive. The plot was captivating, lots of twists and turns.

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        Shout out to Oprah, it was one of her book club picks last year. The current one is Behold the Dreamers so I will be adding that one to the list as well.

        Moving on to another off the Great American Novel list, Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison. I was going to do a GAN for my 50th book of the year (after Invisible Man), between Moby Dick, Grapes of Wrath, and To Kill A Mockingbird. Not looking forward to 600+ pages about a whale so Moby was out. I read TKAM in high school, and considered it for a long time to be my favorite book, but wanted something new. So it ended up being Grapes...except that I've seen people gushing over East of Eden seemingly every day for the last few weeks, so I'm doing that instead. Still Steinbeck. After that, I'm taking a hard pivot into some sports stuff. Boys of Summer, Ball Four, there's so much sports stuff I haven't even touched yet.
        Originally posted by G Perico
        If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
        I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
        In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
        The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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        • Fresh Tendrils
          Strike Hard and Fade Away
          • Jul 2002
          • 36131

          #679
          Re: OS Book Club Pt II

          Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
          Lol such vitriol for Umbridge. I remember everyone hating her, but again I was young when I read those so I don't know if our reasons were justified or if she was just the literary equivalent of everyone's worst nightmare teacher. They seem to have been justified lol.
          Its been 10 years since I've read these books so I was wondering if my anxiety towards Umbridge was entirely justified or if, like you said, she was just a nightmare of a teacher. Before reading I honestly didn't have any specific memories of her save her fitting demise, but there was anxiety knowing she was there.

          Suffice to say its justified, BUT partly because she is the personification of the Ministry of Magic. All of the decrees and governmental functions throughout the book involve her. While she's an acting agent of the state she is still the face and a more immediate character than Minister Fudge. Her glee in subjugating Hogwarts and its students (particularly her detention tactics) is what sticks with me the most and builds animosity quickly.

          What I really find interesting as I'm thinking about this is Rowling keeps the focus of this animosity on Umbridge (and to a lesser extent Percy Weasley and Fudge) and not on the Ministry itself. I think its an important distinction to notice and raises an interesting topic about government corruption. After all we have members of the Order whom are employed by the Ministry, too.

          Rather than hating the government Rowling focuses on specific government representatives and their abuses of power.

          Some powerful themes for a "children's" series, but typical of the best children's novels.



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          • DieHardYankee26
            BING BONG
            • Feb 2008
            • 10178

            #680
            Re: OS Book Club Pt II

            The thing I remember about her is the pen that made your hand bleed and her making Harry write the same thing over and over again. That, as a little kid, was like a horror movie plot lol.
            Originally posted by G Perico
            If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
            I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
            In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
            The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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            • Fresh Tendrils
              Strike Hard and Fade Away
              • Jul 2002
              • 36131

              #681
              Re: OS Book Club Pt II

              That chapter is immediately where you worst thoughts about her come true. Sadistic.



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              • Fresh Tendrils
                Strike Hard and Fade Away
                • Jul 2002
                • 36131

                #682
                Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                I finished up The Order of the Phoenix last night as I sped through the last 250 pages.

                I won't go into too much length on it since I've already done two posts about the book as I was reading it last week, but I will say it has become my favorite of the series thus far.

                I'm going to the beach next week so I don't want to dive into anything lengthy before then. I'm taking Galapos with me as well as Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. I'll spend this week hopefully finishing up The Destruction of Black Civilization and might spend a night reading Matilda since some of its themes closely align with Harry Potter.



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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #683
                  Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                  Took me long enough with stuff going on but I finally finished Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison, one of the books on my Great American Novel list and my new favorite book ever, unseating Souls of Black Folks by Du Bois.

                  I just loved it. I could write a paper on it. Very profound book, especially in these times. It's all about identity and answering the question of who you really are, the person other people see when they look at you or the person you see when you look in the mirror. It's about the importance of maintaining self and what that means. A pretty clear rebuke of the things that the communist parties at the time were trying to pull off, but still appropriate for today.

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                  So yeah, like I said, the GOAT. Next is East of Eden by Steinbeck. I got caught up in work stuff last week and there's no way I can get heavy into sports stuff like I wanted. After Eden I wanna get into Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman.
                  Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 08-17-2017, 04:08 PM.
                  Originally posted by G Perico
                  If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                  I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                  In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                  The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

                  Comment

                  • Fresh Tendrils
                    Strike Hard and Fade Away
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 36131

                    #684
                    Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                    Welp, I managed to get 2/3 of my planned reading done. The beach proved to be not such a suitable setting to try and get into Anti-Intellectualism in American Life as I read the first part of the Overview and set it down for the remainder of the week.

                    I ran through Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos, however. While the structure of the book differed from what I had imagined as it presents itself as more of historical fiction in the style of a memoir/history text the literature itself was great. The sarcastic outlook on life was right up my alley. All the little quips about modern life and technology were fantastic and on the nose in many ways. An interesting book to read on the shores.

                    I also sped through Roald Dahl's Matilda. It has been a long time since I read the book and just as long since I've seen the movie. It's a fabulous read and in many ways reminds me of Harry Potter. A children's story, sure, but it hits on some complex themes that flew over my head as a child. Dahl has a way to wring out the humor in even the most dire of situations.

                    My goal for the week is to finally finish up The Destruction of Black Civilization and then move onto Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. I'm not sure what's next on the fiction front other than re-reading Inherent Vice by Thomas Pynchon.



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                    • DieHardYankee26
                      BING BONG
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 10178

                      #685
                      Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                      I think I'm going to really try to stick to alternating fiction and nonfiction. It's the closest I can get to planning ahead, so many more things pop up that I want to read and get in the way.

                      Pynchon is on my radar for Gravitys Rainbow, it's on the GAN list. Inherent Vice is an appealing read to me in that it was written by a high rate author and that it has a movie adaptation by a high rate director. Might be fun to go in there and see how it holds up between the mediums.

                      On a random note I was watching A Time to Kill for the 814,000th time this weekend and googled the best legal movies, and was surprised to find out there's an old movie adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird that's really highly acclaimed. So whenever I get back to reading that, I'll want to watch that.
                      Originally posted by G Perico
                      If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                      I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                      In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                      The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

                      Comment

                      • Fresh Tendrils
                        Strike Hard and Fade Away
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 36131

                        #686
                        Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                        Alternating seems like the best plan for me, too. I tried reading Destruction concurrently with Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter, but I'm finding that once I get hooked into a story then that takes precedence over anything else I'm reading.

                        Its funny you mention Gravity's Rainbow, because for some reason that kept popping into my head while reading Galapagos even though I've never read it. Just the black comedy and sarcastic premise of Gravity's Rainbow seems totally in line with Vonnegut.

                        Inherent Vice is a great read. The movie is well-done, but like most movies loses a bit of its allure in the transfer of mediums. The visuals are fantastic and establish the themes superbly. The cast is wonderful. The book features more mysticism and paranoia and fleshes out the conspiracy much better, but it's a great movie nonetheless. Inherent Vice seems to split the Pynchon fanbase a bit based on the reviews, but I found it to be fantastic.



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                        • DieHardYankee26
                          BING BONG
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 10178

                          #687
                          Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                          So I'm getting through East of Eden. Finished part 2 of 5, almost halfway there. I can already see I should've followed up Invisible Man with something shorter than this but it's great so whatever. Steinbeck is getting added to the list. An incredible writer, probably speaks to the times but for as eloquent as he was, he really gets through just simple, human ideas.

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                          So yeah, on my way. The other thing I noticed is in OMAM we have Crooks, the Black servant who was treated like less than a man but showed himself to be arguably closest to true humanity. In this, we have Lee, who is a Chinese servant who speaks pidgin around those who expect him to but regularly around characters who he feels comfortable around. He's the wise one so far in this. Steinbeck was very aware of the world be lived in, and the different things that led to social separation.

                          I'm just getting into the direct biblical allusion part after the kids are named. It's funny because they mention there's only been one man named Cain (obviously from the Bible). I immediately started thinking if I knew anyone named Cain, and the only person I could think of was Cain Velasquez the MMA fighter. In a strange and almost definitely unrelated twist, he's from Salinas, where Steinbeck sets most of his books. Small world.
                          Originally posted by G Perico
                          If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                          I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                          In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                          The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #688
                            Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                            Steinbeck on East of Eden: "It has everything in it just have been able to learn about my craft or profession in all these years."

                            Man it shows. The whole book is the tale of a family (and their relations with another family) over 3 generations. The way he shows the family traits and relationships developing over the generations, the way the grandfather impacted the father, and the way that impact went down into the sons was incredible. The key moment and idea is based around the Cain and Abel story from the Bible, and translations of the original text. One translation gives an order to triumph over sin, another says that triumph over sin is destined, and the last, timshel (thou mayest), leaves it as an option. Sin can be triumphed over but it's not inherent and an active choice must be made.

                            So the whole book is the different family members deciding whether or not the way others perceive them or even the way they perceive themselves is the deciding factor in their future or if they can take the bull by the horns so to speak and will what they want into experience.

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                            More quote greatness:

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                            Masterpiece. 50 up and 50 down. Going into Postman for nonfiction. For the next fiction I'm gonna flip a coin between Flowers for Algernon and The Hobbit. I just beat Shadow of Mordor last night so I'm kinda interested to get into Middle Earth suddenly.
                            Originally posted by G Perico
                            If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                            I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                            In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                            The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                            • DieHardYankee26
                              BING BONG
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 10178

                              #689
                              Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                              Done with Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. A little over 200 pages, definitely nice to be able to get through something quickly and put it down. It's like if E Unibus Plurum, the essay on TV by David Foster Wallace, and Anti-Intellectualism in American Life had a baby (and he actually references Hofstadter and Anti-Intellectualism).

                              The theme was how different forms of media are inherently biased towards certain forms of discourse, or how the emergence of a new form of media can influence culture just as much as culture influences it. He compares 1984 and Brave New World, and says he believes more in the Huxleyan vision than the Orwellian. Some of the points he made were interesting, about how different forms of media favor different qualities in communication. Like how in a print based society, you only have that one chance to get your point across, and have your word on paper so it can be easily checked. This made people more prepared to receive information in large doses. He mentions the Lincoln-Douglas debates, that they each went on for 3 hours straight for the audience, at one point getting so late that Lincoln told them to go home and come back in the morning because he didn't want to keep them up. And they did. He talks about how TV favors small, bite-sized, attention-grabbing images and shifts focus to the appearance of the person conveying information and away from the information itself.

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                              Another good one. The Hobbit won the coin toss so into Middle Earth I go. Next non-fiction will be Blood, Sweat, and Pixels by Jason Schreier, about game development. I need to know what happened to 1313. Never forget. Then Flowers for Algernon. By then, Hillary's book should be out.
                              Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 09-06-2017, 06:16 PM.
                              Originally posted by G Perico
                              If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                              I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                              In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                              The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #690
                                Re: OS Book Club Pt II

                                The Hobbit

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                                Blood, Sweat, and Pixels

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                                Flowers for Algernon

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                                Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 09-19-2017, 08:16 AM.
                                Originally posted by G Perico
                                If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                                I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                                In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                                The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

                                Comment

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