Bin Laden is dead!

[NYJets]

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Take down Avon, and Stringer steps up. Take down Stringer, you’ve got Prop Joe and the co-op to deal with. After that, you’ve got Marlo Stanfield. To quote Carver, this ain’t a war because “War’s end”. It makes me truly sad.

Great, great post.

The one thing I wanted to comment on is this. It's one thing for somebody else to step up when they are going against an overworked, under financed baltimore police department. It's another to go up against one of the strongest countries in the world. I agree with Carver's quote, we are always going to be fighting this, but I do think this is a really big blow against al-quaeda going forward. It is not that easy unify a large scale international terrorist organization. And it is not easy to pull off the major attacks that al-quaeda is responsible for. Again, definitively not saying thats the end of terrorism, or anything like that, but I do think, at least in the long run, we are much safer without Bin Laden, whereas in the wire taking out Barksdale didn't do a damn thing to fix Baltimore.

[SportsTop]

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Yea, but killing Bin Laden doesn't bring those people back, doesn't bring the buildings back. I hate him, we had to get him, and I'm glad he's dead. I hope it brought closure to those who lost loved ones on 9/11. But the pure joy and partying in the streets reaction was a little strange to me. It was a positive moment in what is still a horrible situation, not a happy ending.

People need to take a step back and realize that the celebrations aren't over his actual death, but what it represents.

I wasn't dancing in the streets when I heard the news, but I was extremely excited about the symbolic victory we needed as a country.

That's the celebration.

Remember, people celebrated and danced in the streets when the Nazis surrendered in Europe (and we were only fighting the Nazis for 4 years) while some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting was still happening in the Pacific against Japan.

It's okay to celebrate victories when they have as much meaning as this does while still keeping our eye on the ball in regards to the longer fight.

[bkrich83]

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People need to take a step back and realize that the celebrations aren't over his actual death, but what it represents.

I wasn't dancing in the streets when I heard the news, but I was extremely excited about the symbolic victory we needed as a country.

That's the celebration.

Remember, people celebrated and danced in the streets when the Nazis surrendered in Europe (and we were only fighting the Nazis for 4 years) while some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting was still happening in the Pacific against Japan.

It's okay to celebrate victories when they have as much meaning as this does while still keeping our on the ball in regards to the longer fight.

This..

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[AUChase]

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People need to take a step back and realize that the celebrations aren't over his actual death, but what it represents.

I wasn't dancing in the streets when I heard the news, but I was extremely excited about the symbolic victory we needed as a country.

That's the celebration.

Remember, people celebrated and danced in the streets when the Nazis surrendered in Europe (and we were only fighting the Nazis for 4 years) while some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting was still happening in the Pacific against Japan.

It's okay to celebrate victories when they have as much meaning as this does while still keeping our on the ball in regards to the longer fight.

[RAZRr1275]

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While true, killing innocent civilians isn't the goal and directive of the United States and our military abroad. Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda's main goal was and still is to kill civilians who are citizens of countries that are and allied with the United States. While it's a horrible byproduct of war and sometimes foreign occupation, we spend billions of dollars a year on humanitarian efforts, and rebuilding or strengthening the infrastructure of these countries. Al-Qaeda can hardly say the same.

Yeah I realize that. My point is simply that we aren't a benevolent entity that does nothing wrong. I'm not saying that we're a terrorist state or anything like that.

And I'm bowing out of this discussion at this point but I'll say this.

Streets takes the title for best post in the thread. I'm with him for the most part. Just to add to his last part another thing that I love about this country is how the differing opinions that we have are usually able to come together somewhere to actually get something done and fix the errors that we've made.

[marshallfever]

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No offense is meant, and I am only making a broad assumption, but I have to think that your age at the time of 9/11 has to cloud your thinking on this subject.

You were 13. You were not old enough to understand that everything in the world had changed. Not old enough to realize that the United States had just taken a sucker punch to the jaw not seen since 1941.

You probably watched the whole thing unfold like the rest of us. The difference is, there was no way for you to really comprehend what was going on and how it would affect the rest of your life. Hell, your life hadn't even really begun yet.

I was 21, and my interpretation of the event is no doubt different than someone who was 31 or 41. Hell, if I had been a dad then as I am now, I know my interpretation of the event would be miles different than it was.

In short, and again I mean no disrespect, you may not be the best person to question whether or not we should have "moved on."

Also, and this is the last I will say on the subject, for anyone who can't understand the anger and hatred directed toward bin Laden, go watch some video of the moments between the planes striking the towers and their collapse. Watch people hanging out of windows to escape the choking smoke and unthinkable heat. Watch - or worse, listen - to the people jumping out of windows to escape a fate worse than anything most of us can imagine. Watch people attempt to climb out of the windows only to fall to their death. And then watch police officers and fire fighters run into the buildings in an attempt to help, only to have the towers collapse moments later.

Then ask about anger, hatred, and revenge.

Your completely right. I remember it as if it was yesterday. I was sitting in my math class freshman year of high school. The television in the class went on as soon as the event happened and we were informed. My teacher stepped out because her husband was in New York at the moment as well.

Something like that can never be forgot, i just assumed because the catastrophic was 10 years old that many people have sort of let it go. But like you mentioned, its different for everyone

[Beantown]

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People need to take a step back and realize that the celebrations aren't over his actual death, but what it represents.

I wasn't dancing in the streets when I heard the news, but I was extremely excited about the symbolic victory we needed as a country.

That's the celebration.

Remember, people celebrated and danced in the streets when the Nazis surrendered in Europe (and we were only fighting the Nazis for 4 years) while some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting was still happening in the Pacific against Japan.

It's okay to celebrate victories when they have as much meaning as this does while still keeping our eye on the ball in regards to the longer fight.

Thank you.

And I'm also getting sick of hearing about how those of us who were young (10-13) when 9/11 happened didn't/don't understand how things changed. That event is what has defined my ****ing generation, point-blank, simple as that. We understand that just as well as people who were older did because we're the ones that are growing up/have grown up during it. But that's all I'm going to say on that subject because, well, I'd probably get a little too feisty defending that.

[kehlis]

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Thank you.

And I'm also getting sick of hearing about how those of us who were young (10-13) when 9/11 happened didn't/don't understand how things changed. That event is what has defined my ****ing generation, point-blank, simple as that. We understand that just as well as people who were older did because we're the ones that are growing up/have grown up during it. But that's all I'm going to say on that subject because, well, I'd probably get a little too feisty defending that.

I don't think people have claimed everyone from that generation doesn't understand.

But this thread has made it clear that some people don't...I don't get how anyone could say he would think we would have just "moved on by now."

[Beantown]

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But this thread has made it clear that some people don't...I don't get how anyone could say he would think we would have just "moved on by now."

Well, those people are just idiots. Doesn't matter how old they are, or were.

[kehlis]

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Well, those people are just idiots. Doesn't matter how old they are, or were.

Don't disagree...

[Rocky]

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People need to take a step back and realize that the celebrations aren't over his actual death, but what it represents.

I wasn't dancing in the streets when I heard the news, but I was extremely excited about the symbolic victory we needed as a country.

That's the celebration.

Remember, people celebrated and danced in the streets when the Nazis surrendered in Europe (and we were only fighting the Nazis for 4 years) while some of the bloodiest and most intense fighting was still happening in the Pacific against Japan.

It's okay to celebrate victories when they have as much meaning as this does while still keeping our eye on the ball in regards to the longer fight.

I can understand the celebrating...just don't feel it was needed (and I have stated my reasons why).

[slickdtc]

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Thank you.

And I'm also getting sick of hearing about how those of us who were young (10-13) when 9/11 happened didn't/don't understand how things changed. That event is what has defined my ****ing generation, point-blank, simple as that. We understand that just as well as people who were older did because we're the ones that are growing up/have grown up during it. But that's all I'm going to say on that subject because, well, I'd probably get a little too feisty defending that.

Ehhh, it's different for everyone. It's affected our generation (people who are in their early 20's now, so early teens then) in ways that people who were older (or younger) will never understand. And each one of us differently too. Each view should be respected, I think. That's the main point.

And this event has shown that, too. Every single person has been affected by it differently. Hell, I can't even put into words how it's made me felt. There are posts here I agree with, then the next one, completely opposite, gets me thinking in that direction. I've always thought of myself as a very open person, though. I try to respect everyone's views, even if I disagree with them. I hope nothing stupid comes out of people having differing views on this subject, but I'm sure, somewhere, it will or already has. Which is a shame.

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[Giants4Natic]

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Great info on CNN just now:

The Pentagon is doing a briefing about details of the radi and showed videos found in the compound.

The guy on the program who was in the briefing stated that one video showed OBL sitting in a chair with a remote controller in hand rocking back and forth changing channels on the tv

Another shows a video OBL made about a message to the US and his bear was then dyed

They will release the videos in the next hour or 2 for all to see.

[Jackdog]

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Great info on CNN just now:

The Pentagon is doing a briefing about details of the radi and showed videos found in the compound.

The guy on the program who was in the briefing stated that one video showed OBL sitting in a chair with a remote controller in hand rocking back and forth changing channels on the tv

Another shows a video OBL made about a message to the US and his bear was then dyed

They will release the videos in the next hour or 2 for all to see.

The only video I really want to see of this murdering coward belongs to Seal Team 6.