The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

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  • MattUMD224
    • Sep 2025

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    The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

    According to a new report from the Pew Research Center, 57 percent of Americans say "the higher education system in the United States fails to provide students with good value for the money they and their families spend." Does that mean that college isn't worth it? Not exactly. In fact, given the crappy economy, a college degree is more valuable than ever, a point that Levitt makes in a recent Freakonomics Radio podcast. The most telling statistic as to the value of college: the unemployment rate among college graduates is less than half (4.5%) that for people with only a high school diploma (9.7%) (See the BLS employment status table here.)


    According to a new report from the Pew Research Center, 57 percent of Americans say “the higher education system in the United States fails to provide students with good value for the money they and their families spend.”

    Does that mean that college isn’t worth it? Not exactly. In fact, given the crappy economy, a college degree is more valuable than ever, a point that Levitt makes in a recent Freakonomics Radio podcast. The most telling statistic as to the value of college: the unemployment rate among college graduates is less than half (4.5%) than people with only a high school diploma (9.7%). (See the BLS employment status table here.)

    Still, it’s an interesting question, particularly given the explosive growth in the price of college tuition over the last 30 years. According to the College Board, a year of tuition at a public college for an in-state student costs an average of $7,605, while a year at a private college costs an average of $27,293. Meaning that (assuming you graduate in four years) a college diploma from a public school costs about $30,000, and about $109,000 from a private school. That’s a lot of coin, but consider this: the difference in yearly income for a person with a college degree and a person with just a high school diploma is $19,550, according to the 2010 Census. So keeping things simple, on average, a public school college degree pays for itself in less than two years, and a private school diploma in less than six. Which is probably why, according to the Pew study, the vast majority of college graduates (86%) say that college was a good investment for them.

    The Pew report, conducted in partnership with the Chronicle of Higher
    Education, offers lots of useful insight into the current state of American higher education. Among some of the more interesting nuggets:

    Only 19% of college presidents say the U.S. system of higher education is the best in the world now, and just 7% say they believe it will be the best in the world 10 years from now.

    Adults who graduated from a four-year college believe that, on average, they are earning $20,000 more a year as a result of having gotten that degree. Adults who did not attend college believe that, on average, they are earning $20,000 a year less as a result.

    Only a quarter (24%) of college presidents say that, if given a choice, they would prefer that most faculty at their institution be tenured. About seven-in-ten say they would prefer that faculty be employed on annual or long-term contracts.
  • ehh
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    • Mar 2003
    • 28959

    #2
    Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

    Obviously there is no right or wrong way to a successful career but to me you still want to aim as high as you can and that includes a college education as a step in that process. Not just for the education either - the "coming of age/maturing/independence/learning responsibility" factor is gigantic and had a bigger impact in my life than anything I learned in a college classroom.

    Who knows what the cost of college will be if/when my theoretical kids are 18 y/o but I think two years of community college on the cheap and two years at a university/college is a solid idea.

    I think the days of kids shooting for their "dream school" may be dwindling especially if you factor in the student's major. Are you going to go to a school that costs $50k/yr to become a teacher? No offense to teachers, my sister and mother both teach and I know it's an insanely difficult profession, but of course we all know teachers don't make a ton of money. Do you go to some big name school and have loans out the whazoo for a job that will earn you little money?


    What really baffles me is how parents are supposed to save for their children's college tuition. So you have your typical living expenses, your retirement, savings, investments and you're still supposed to have $100k+ in the bank for each child?

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    • Husker_OS
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      • Jun 2003
      • 21459

      #3
      Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

      The education isn't what I valued the most from my 4 years at Alabama. It was the networking that I would not have been able to do otherwise.


      Networking is the #1 thing you need to learn from college. Know who, when, how to present yourself, how to follow up, etc.
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      • ehh
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        • Mar 2003
        • 28959

        #4
        Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

        Absolutely, I just posted the same thing in the other thread.

        Who you know is pretty much the most important thing in life if you want to be successful.

        I didn't do any networking at all in my college days but have since I got out and it makes a world of difference. Never Eat Alone is one of those books that every person should read IMO.
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        • JohnnytheSkin
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          • Jul 2003
          • 5914

          #5
          Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

          From personal experience, I'd say no. I mean, when I enrolled after high school in an engineering program at a renowned school (at least locally), I didn't plan on getting married, and figured I had a long career ahead of me.

          Seven years from graduation I'm married, have a seven year old, and have been a stay-at-home dad for five years as my wife netted a job that paid double what I was earning at the time and had no-premium top notch benefits, which saved us tons of money. The reason I'm still putzing around is due to her frequent moves, but the money has only gotten better and allowed us to put our son in private school, which as has been beneficial as he is quite advanced for his age. At this point I won't risk finding a job I "love" only to give up the salary and benefits and then force my wife to settle for ****...while still facing the possibility that we might move in a couple of years to another project site.

          So yeah, in my case, college was a waste of money, as we'll still be paying on it for another ten years. Not that I'm right, and I'll surely encourage my son to attend school, but life, in some cases, has a hell of a sense of humor.

          To address the other points so far mentioned, absolutely the "who you know and who you blow" is what makes or breaks careers, and frankly, it sucks. I'm a firm believer in merit achievement, but if my years in school and years since have shown anything (especially since I keep in touch with several via Facebook), it's all about which friends' dad has a company, which girl's Mom knows a guy, etc, etc.
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          • NYJets
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            • Jul 2002
            • 18637

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            Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

            I think all those stats listed are pretty pointless. It is not as simple as college vs. no college. It's all what you do with college. Going to a expensive private school to major in sociology is probably a waste of money. Going to a state school wiht a great business or engineering program is not. Some people have a 50,000+ job right out of college, others are bartending 5 years after graduating. And if you choose not to go to college, what is your plan? It's possible to be successful without a college degree, but you need a plan. Some people don't go to college, but have an idea of what they want to do and go after it. Other's just bag groceries for the next few years. Everyone's not the same. I don't get why this discussion is always just college vs. no college. That's so oversimplified it's pointless to discuss. And as the others have said, college isn't only getting a piece of paper, there's other benefits as well.
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            • ehh
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              • Mar 2003
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              Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

              LOL, you are living most men's fantasy, Johnny...the wife with the baller job. Not so sure we should all skip college banking on that being our financial solution.
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              • JohnnytheSkin
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                • Jul 2003
                • 5914

                #8
                Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                Originally posted by ehh
                LOL, you are living most men's fantasy, Johnny...the wife with the baller job. Not so sure we should all skip college banking on that being our financial solution.
                Still, I've since run in to several people that own contracting firms, HVAC repair guys, and other careers that have worked up from just a high school diploma. Granted, I covered my bases and if my life didn't take the course it did, I'd have a career and be fine. It's just that there are options without college, while they might require more work, they can be just as rewarding and more financially beneficial than a college degree.

                Hell, you can get into nursing, one of the "careers of the future" with only a high school diploma, and many make decent money and are set for life. The problem is that most men refuse to do the work. Careers and industries change every decade, and that's what makes things so difficult. Hell, I was "this close" to enrolling in an M.S. program for Environmental Engineering, thinking it was a boom industry, and well, politics being what they are after 2010, it looks like I would have been out of a job if the winds keep trending that way.
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                • Scott
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 20030

                  #9
                  Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                  Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                  Still, I've since run in to several people that own contracting firms, HVAC repair guys, and other careers that have worked up from just a high school diploma. Granted, I covered my bases and if my life didn't take the course it did, I'd have a career and be fine. It's just that there are options without college, while they might require more work, they can be just as rewarding and more financially beneficial than a college degree.

                  Hell, you can get into nursing, one of the "careers of the future" with only a high school diploma, and many make decent money and are set for life. The problem is that most men refuse to do the work. Careers and industries change every decade, and that's what makes things so difficult. Hell, I was "this close" to enrolling in an M.S. program for Environmental Engineering, thinking it was a boom industry, and well, politics being what they are after 2010, it looks like I would have been out of a job if the winds keep trending that way.
                  I have to step in with the nursing thing, because that's what i'm about to start doing. You aren't immediately accepted into the program and it's very competitive.
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                  • Husker_OS
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                    • Jun 2003
                    • 21459

                    #10
                    Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                    Nursing program at Alabama is insanely competitive. My sister graduated with a nursing degree from there and my g/f is currently in it.

                    The amount of stress involved with that major at UA is ridiculous.
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                    • Scott
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      It'll be probably Fall 2012 before I'm accepted into the program at Austin Community College...
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                      • slickdtc
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 17125

                        #12
                        Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                        Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                        To address the other points so far mentioned, absolutely the "who you know and who you blow" is what makes or breaks careers, and frankly, it sucks. I'm a firm believer in merit achievement, but if my years in school and years since have shown anything (especially since I keep in touch with several via Facebook), it's all about which friends' dad has a company, which girl's Mom knows a guy, etc, etc.
                        Definitely. 3 of the 4 jobs I've had I knew someone working at the place, and got in through them (no blowing so far ). Not careers, though, just part time jobs.
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                        • acts238shaun
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                          • Dec 2005
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                          #13
                          Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                          College is only worth it if tied to a trade and makes close to six figures within a few years, otherwise it's not worth paying on for the next 20 years.

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                          • GAMEC0CK2002
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                            • Aug 2002
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                            #14
                            Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                            Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                            Still, I've since run in to several people that own contracting firms, HVAC repair guys, and other careers that have worked up from just a high school diploma. Granted, I covered my bases and if my life didn't take the course it did, I'd have a career and be fine. It's just that there are options without college, while they might require more work, they can be just as rewarding and more financially beneficial than a college degree.

                            Hell, you can get into nursing, one of the "careers of the future" with only a high school diploma, and many make decent money and are set for life. The problem is that most men refuse to do the work. Careers and industries change every decade, and that's what makes things so difficult. Hell, I was "this close" to enrolling in an M.S. program for Environmental Engineering, thinking it was a boom industry, and well, politics being what they are after 2010, it looks like I would have been out of a job if the winds keep trending that way.
                            Nursing programs in SC are highly competitive and not cupcake walks to finish. 2 of the schools here have a 2 year waiting list.

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                            • kingkilla56
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                              • Jun 2009
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                              #15
                              Re: The Numbers Game: Is College Worth The Cost?

                              It depends where you go, what you study, and your dedication to excellence. This notion that college will set you back financially for the rest of you life is ludicrous.
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