Ebola

[aholbert32]

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Seriously??

Have you been to Africa? The Egyptian people have never been left out of history and are considered to be one of , it not the, most advanced in math, science and culture of all early civilizations.

And for a majority of the rest of Africa, the notion of"Lions and Sahara Desert, Dancing kid meme, and Ebola" ( Insert any one of many diseases) is pretty accurate.

Funny you say that. When I was in 7th grade, our history class was sectioned off by geography meaning 1 month we would learn about North American history and the next month we would learn about South American history etc.

I remember back then the curriculum put Egypt in the "Middle East" section and removed it from the "Africa" section. I remember thinking that was strange, asking my teacher about it and her not having a great reason for it. All of the great Egyptian achievements were credited to the middle east and not to the continent of Africa.

FYI, I've been to Nigeria and its not all Lions, Dancing Kid Memes and Ebola.

[BurghFan]

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Funny you say that. When I was in 7th grade, our history class was sectioned off by geography meaning 1 month we would learn about North American history and the next month we would learn about South American history etc.

I remember back then the curriculum put Egypt in the "Middle East" section and removed it from the "Africa" section. I remember thinking that was strange, asking my teacher about it and her not having a great reason for it. All of the great Egyptian achievements were credited to the middle east and not to the continent of Africa.

FYI, I've been to Nigeria and its not all Lions, Dancing Kid Memes and Ebola.

Yeah, my 7th grade social class was called World Cultures so it was probably something like that too. I remember learning some of the larger Subsaharan cultures (Mali, Ghana, Songhai). As for your question as to why Egypt is lumped in with Middle East rather than Africa, it's probably because Egyptian and Mesopotomian civilizations were adjacent to each other and there was a great deal of interaction between them whereas the Sahara served as a geographic barrier preventing much interaction between them and Subsaharan cultures.

Wait, what was this thread about again?

[slickdtc]

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Yeah Mesopotamia and Egypt were what we learned about. If I recall correctly, it was in 6th grade history class. We had a day where we made Egyptian style food. Stuff was off the chain.

Africa really never did get touched upon besides slavery and SOME mention of colonization by the Europeans.

There's definitely a stereotype or stigma to Africa. I honestly can't say I know much about it at all. Hell, there's countries on the continent that I don't even know about (Chad being my favorite... weird). Just a lot of negative surrounding Africa and we never hear any good or positive coming from them.

[wwharton]

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Funny you say that. When I was in 7th grade, our history class was sectioned off by geography meaning 1 month we would learn about North American history and the next month we would learn about South American history etc.

I remember back then the curriculum put Egypt in the "Middle East" section and removed it from the "Africa" section. I remember thinking that was strange, asking my teacher about it and her not having a great reason for it. All of the great Egyptian achievements were credited to the middle east and not to the continent of Africa.

FYI, I've been to Nigeria and its not all Lions, Dancing Kid Memes and Ebola.

Was just going to say that it was funny that Egypt came up because, to this day I bet there are many that don't even realize Egypt is in Africa.

Sharing the news (don't shoot the messenger)...

Sorry... here's the link to the article http://wkbn.com/2014/10/29/pentagon-...ne-for-troops/

And here are some quotes from it for either side...

After meeting with health care workers who have been to West Africa or were preparing to go there, Obama cautioned against discouraging such workers with restrictive measures that confine them upon their return home.

"Like our military men and women deploying to West Africa, they do this for no other reason than their own sense of duty, their sense of purpose, their sense of serving a cause greater than themselves," he said.

"And we need to call them what they are, which is American heroes. They deserve our gratitude, and they deserve to be treated with dignity and with respect."

and

As originally envisioned, Pentagon policy called for troops returning to their home bases from Ebola response missions to undergo temperature checks twice a day for 21 days to ensure they were free of symptoms and to refrain from traveling widely during that period. But they were not to be quarantined and kept from contact with others.

BTW, I think people would be much happier with a program that required them to do daily checks and refrain from traveling widely, but doesn't force them from contact with others.

[wwharton]

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Damn, did I forget to add the link? Sorry.

Here's another article talking about the different quarantine efforts of states.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/in-u-s-ebola-fight-no-two-quarantines-are-quite-the-101338475527.html

Some of these are perfectly fine by me. Here's a quote about the situation our favorite nurse was in (I seriously would be pissed too).

Kaci Hickox, a nurse who arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday after working with Doctors Without Borders in Sierra Leone, found herself in much bleaker surroundings for the first few days of her quarantine.

New Jersey officials confined her to a tent without a flushing toilet and no shower. It was cold, Hickox said in an article decrying her conditions as a breach of her rights, and the paper clothes they gave her were scratchy.

[dickey1331]

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That's pretty much how illegal migrants are treated when they get caught. Id be pissed too.

[kehlis]

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Judge denied the request to order her under quarantine.

[daflyboys]

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I don't know who came up with the initial tent idea, but that's just outlandish. Not questioning the need for the quarantine, but the conditions need to be passable.

[ImTellinTim]

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I don't know who came up with the initial tent idea, but that's just outlandish. Not questioning the need for the quarantine, but the conditions need to be passable.

I don't really have a problem with mandatory quarantines if they are made to be comfortable and are compensated for their time and lost wages. It would also help if they knew they were going to be subject to one before they volunteered in a program such as the one this nurse was in.

[TheMatrix31]

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How come those measures werent needed with other more easily transmitted and deadly viruses?

I don't know. Did anyone have to go to a specific region of the world to treat people with swine flu?

I think anyone who gets sick with anything should stay the **** away from everyone until they're better, but that's just me. There was plenty of hysteria about H1N1 and rightfully so. Hell, my best female friend got the ****in' swine flu. You know what she did? Stayed the **** away from everyone for weeks until she was better.

Canada just announced they're stopping anyone with visas from affected regions: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/528281340849184769

[OSUFan_88]

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I cannot understand how people can be against quarantines in general. Obviously they need to be acceptable living conditions and compensated, as has been mentioned, but quarantines are legitimate way to defeat a disease like this.

People with TB are put into quarantine. People with certain types of the flu are put into a quarantine. Why not put people into quarantine for Ebola? Anyone arguing against that is either terribly misinformed or...well, I won't say anything else. Probably against TOS.

[aholbert32]

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I cannot understand how people can be against quarantines in general. Obviously they need to be acceptable living conditions and compensated, as has been mentioned, but quarantines are legitimate way to defeat a disease like this.

People with TB are put into quarantine. People with certain types of the flu are put into a quarantine. Why not put people into quarantine for Ebola? Anyone arguing against that is either terribly misinformed or...well, I won't say anything else. Probably against TOS.

Not exactly the same. Like you said people WITH TB are put into quarantine. People WITH THE FLU are being put into quarantine.

These are people who we dont know if they have Ebola. We are simply quarantining people who are coming from a region where the disease is heavily present. I think thats the issue the nurse has and most people have. She hasnt shown symptoms, shes willing to self monitor and I think she would be willing to quarantine her self in the comfort of her own home if given the chance. Not in a tent.

[aholbert32]

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I don't know. Did anyone have to go to a specific region of the world to treat people with swine flu?

I think anyone who gets sick with anything should stay the **** away from everyone until they're better, but that's just me. There was plenty of hysteria about H1N1 and rightfully so. Hell, my best female friend got the ****in' swine flu. You know what she did? Stayed the **** away from everyone for weeks until she was better.

Canada just announced they're stopping anyone with visas from affected regions: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/528281340849184769

Yes, H1NI originated in Southeast Asia and medical volunteers went to those reasons to help with medical care.

The level of "hysteria" over H1N1 wasnt even close to what we are seeing with Ebola. No talk of travel bans or quarantines.

Also your comparison doesnt support the argument you are making. You and many others have been arguing for a travel ban and quarantine for ANYONE who comes from those areas period. To use your friend as an example, a direct comparison would be if she was in an area that was affected by swine flu and she quarantined herself even though she had no signs of illness.

I dont think anyone is arguing that people WITH ebola shouldnt be quarantined and that people WITH ebola should be allowed to travel in the country. The issue is whether we should be keeping people out of the country and quarantined just because they treated someone with the disease or simply came from a country affected with it.

[OSUFan_88]

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These are people who we dont know if they have Ebola. We are simply quarantining people who are coming from a region where the disease is heavily present. I think thats the issue the nurse has and most people have. She hasnt shown symptoms, shes willing to self monitor and I think she would be willing to quarantine her self in the comfort of her own home if given the chance. Not in a tent.

I agree there, but some people cannot be trusted, simple as that. If we treated everyone as if they had common sense, then a nurse from Texas who had Ebola would not have traveled to Akron on a plane...but whatever.

I'd rather the CDC take too many precautions with containing Ebola rather than too little.

[bad_philanthropy]

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What's the mortality rate of this ebola strain in the West, and being treated in a timely fashion by Western standards(ie not the patient zero guy in the Texas)?