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[bigbob]

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I have had a hard time I mean a really hard time finding a job. I get tired of people saying everyone is looking for people. No they are not. Like 80% of jobs out there don't want to train people any more and expect you to have a 4 year degree and lots of experience. Has a result I have been stuck in major depression for years.



I have thought about maybe trying to see about remote jobs just because it's more jobs and would be nice to save a hour or so of the day driving to work and home and also the gas money you save. What I worry about with remote jobs you see posted is are most of them just scams or are they real?

On the opposite end of you, I get tired of people saying there are no jobs out there. There are plenty of jobs out there, they are just jobs that you do not want to do. There is nothing wrong with that, but if someone really wants a job, every fast food restaurant is hiring. Pretty much every restaurant is hiring. There are more jobs than not, people just do not want to do them.

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[Majingir]

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On the opposite end of you, I get tired of people saying there are no jobs out there. There are plenty of jobs out there, they are just jobs that you do not want to do. There is nothing wrong with that, but if someone really wants a job, every fast food restaurant is hiring. Pretty much every restaurant is hiring. There are more jobs than not, people just do not want to do them.

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Yes, technically there's always jobs out there, but even then, if you're absolutely desperate then sure, just apply anywhere, but on the flip side, going there might also take away time from applying/interviewing for better jobs.

And even then, those places might turn people away simply because they know you're leaving first chance you get, which could be the next day, week, month.

One time I actually got turned away for that very reason. Basically being overqualified for the job. Sure, I'm overqualified, but the next level up I'm not qualified enough apparently based on the years of experience qualification.

But the original point about companies wanting people with insane experience and their refusal for wanting to train people is so true. I remember hearing one funny story about a guy who applied for some tech job, they required a certain level of experience in a specific field, and he wasn't qualified....except he was guy who was the reason for that tech/fields existence, so he proved how flawed the whole thing is.

Job hiring in the end really feels like a popularity contest. You must jump through their hoops and pass their tests and then if they like you, you'll be considered for it. So you could wind up doing the job better than anyone else but have no shot at the job because they don't like you/you don't fit what they want.

[Suntan Superman]

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Yes, technically there's always jobs out there, but even then, if you're absolutely desperate then sure, just apply anywhere, but on the flip side, going there might also take away time from applying/interviewing for better jobs.

There sure are, but some of those jobs also don't really want to hire people, or they'd offer decent wages. It is a constant source of amusement that the same people are always struggling to hire when I'm looking for jobs.

And even then, those places might turn people away simply because they know you're leaving first chance you get, which could be the next day, week, month.

One time I actually got turned away for that very reason. Basically being overqualified for the job. Sure, I'm overqualified, but the next level up I'm not qualified enough apparently based on the years of experience qualification.

Same, I think about that time often, actually. I applied to Gas Station a year from graduation from college because it was 2009 and I desperately needed money because of the recession. They even told me they decided to not hire me because "I'd just leave after graduation and they'd have to hire someone again." They went out of business 2 years later.

But the original point about companies wanting people with insane experience and their refusal for wanting to train people is so true. I remember hearing one funny story about a guy who applied for some tech job, they required a certain level of experience in a specific field, and he wasn't qualified....except he was guy who was the reason for that tech/fields existence, so he proved how flawed the whole thing is.

Job hiring in the end really feels like a popularity contest. You must jump through their hoops and pass their tests and then if they like you, you'll be considered for it. So you could wind up doing the job better than anyone else but have no shot at the job because they don't like you/you don't fit what they want.

A lot of programming jobs are like that, especially with new languages, it's also really funny because often your first point of contact is HR, who generally have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to these languages. I put myself out there for some programming jobs after nearly 10 years of doing other things, and multiple companies reached out, and all of them had like a 5-step Interview process, and it's a great way to weed me out because I don't want to spend 2 weeks of my life interviewing for a job I might not get. I've thought about telling recruiters I'm open to do a maximum of two interviews and one technical test and nothing more cause these companies are getting ridiculous.

[Majingir]

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There sure are, but some of those jobs also don't really want to hire people, or they'd offer decent wages. It is a constant source of amusement that the same people are always struggling to hire when I'm looking for jobs

That's the big problem too.

All this talk about "people don't want to work". Meanwhile, how many companies are desperate for employees that actually pay a living wage? Sure, all companies always have openings in various levels, but if you have constant openings because of staff shortages, maybe think about giving people a reason to want to apply/stay.

Most companies would rather have a revolving door of employees rather than have to pay more to keep them, because they know there will always be people wanting to apply.

Seems to be more true the bigger the company is. Many big ones out there have part time/min wage jobs with "be available anytime" hour requirements/getting almost offended when you can't work when they want because you need another job to support yourself, knowing full well many will just quit, because their company name sells itself.

It'll never happen, but would be nice if one day we see laws put in place that limit the percentage of min wage/part time employees a company can have, specifically bigger companies. There's no reason multi billion dollar companies can't afford to pay people 40 hours a week at more than minimum wage.

[Smallville102001]

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Yes, technically there's always jobs out there, but even then, if you're absolutely desperate then sure, just apply anywhere, but on the flip side, going there might also take away time from applying/interviewing for better jobs.

And even then, those places might turn people away simply because they know you're leaving first chance you get, which could be the next day, week, month.

One time I actually got turned away for that very reason. Basically being overqualified for the job. Sure, I'm overqualified, but the next level up I'm not qualified enough apparently based on the years of experience qualification.

But the original point about companies wanting people with insane experience and their refusal for wanting to train people is so true. I remember hearing one funny story about a guy who applied for some tech job, they required a certain level of experience in a specific field, and he wasn't qualified....except he was guy who was the reason for that tech/fields existence, so he proved how flawed the whole thing is.

Job hiring in the end really feels like a popularity contest. You must jump through their hoops and pass their tests and then if they like you, you'll be considered for it. So you could wind up doing the job better than anyone else but have no shot at the job because they don't like you/you don't fit what they want.

I worked a job I hated from like 2012-2021 because I couldn't find another job. So I had no choice. I was worried ever day I was going to snap and get fired and than I would be really scwered because if you get fired you can't go on unemployment and if I can't go on unemployment and can't find a job either than what do you do? I got out like middle 2021 because of a friend but shortly after found out place got bought out and was going to close. Had to start unemployment begging of this year. So I have basically been looking like 10.5 years and not been able to get hired. Just get rejection emails/ghosted. I really wish I could just live on unemployment the rest of my life or go on disability for emotional destress because that is all it's causing me. I can't even remember how many places I have done a application for. Like 600+ or something. I am right now hoping to hear back from one of several temp agencies because if they can't find me something I will likely have to go back from job from hell.

[Majingir]

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I worked a job I hated from like 2012-2021 because I couldn't find another job. So I had no choice. I was worried ever day I was going to snap and get fired and than I would be really scwered because if you get fired you can't go on unemployment and if I can't go on unemployment and can't find a job either than what do you do? I got out like middle 2021 because of a friend but shortly after found out place got bought out and was going to close. Had to start unemployment begging of this year. So I have basically been looking like 10.5 years and not been able to get hired. Just get rejection emails/ghosted. I really wish I could just live on unemployment the rest of my life or go on disability for emotional destress because that is all it's causing me. I can't even remember how many places I have done a application for. Like 600+ or something. I am right now hoping to hear back from one of several temp agencies because if they can't find me something I will likely have to go back from job from hell.

Think I mentioned it here or somewhere else, but it's a sad/funny truth I always think/say.

If I win the lottery or any major sum of money, what's the first thing I'm going to do? Plan an expensive trip? Buy a fancy car? Buy a big house? Nope, it's quit my job and live a similar life I have now (just with money). Money is literally the only reason I put up with any job/employer.

It's a job finding a job, and if you already have a job, how do you make time to search/apply for jobs or just go to interviews either?

[bigbob]

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Think I mentioned it here or somewhere else, but it's a sad/funny truth I always think/say.

If I win the lottery or any major sum of money, what's the first thing I'm going to do? Plan an expensive trip? Buy a fancy car? Buy a big house? Nope, it's quit my job and live a similar life I have now (just with money). Money is literally the only reason I put up with any job/employer.

It's a job finding a job, and if you already have a job, how do you make time to search/apply for jobs or just go to interviews either?

I told myself if I ever run into a ton of money where money didn't matter as much anymore, I would get a job at GameStop. Why? I don't know, but it feels right.

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[Majingir]

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I told myself if I ever run into a ton of money where money didn't matter as much anymore, I would get a job at GameStop. Why? I don't know, but it feels right.

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If you ever have the kind of money where you don't need to work, then just go and do something that's fun, and once it's no longer fun, go and move on to something else that's fun.

Everyone's just so obsessed with working and stressed out and always on the go.

I've really started hating the "city lifestyle" for this reason. I feel like I could get by living in the middle of nowhere where houses cost a fraction of the city prices while working any job good enough to sustain that cost of living.

[Smallville102001]

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Think I mentioned it here or somewhere else, but it's a sad/funny truth I always think/say.

If I win the lottery or any major sum of money, what's the first thing I'm going to do? Plan an expensive trip? Buy a fancy car? Buy a big house? Nope, it's quit my job and live a similar life I have now (just with money). Money is literally the only reason I put up with any job/employer.

It's a job finding a job, and if you already have a job, how do you make time to search/apply for jobs or just go to interviews either?

Yeah I don't agree with the whole money don't buy happiness thing. Work just causes stress and I would love to just be able to retire and do what I want 24/7 and go to a lot of sports games and yeah working and than like coming home and spending like another hour or so job hunting after work makes it feel like you have no free time.

[Majingir]

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Yeah I don't agree with the whole money don't buy happiness thing. Work just causes stress and I would love to just be able to retire and do what I want 24/7 and go to a lot of sports games and yeah working and than like coming home and spending like another hour or so job hunting after work makes it feel like you have no free time.

Exactly.

Sure, money doesn't mean you'll instantly be care free/forever happy, but very few of your issues with money will be the same issues you have if you didn't have money.

I'm also not someone who just wastes money, I shop smart. Even with money, I'm not blowing through it, I'll just get the best quality thing given my needs, rather than just best quality under a certain price range.

I know some people would still want to work if they're rich so they have something to do with themselves, but I can definitely make myself busy enough without needing a job, if money wasn't ever going to be an issue.

[Smallville102001]

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Exactly.

Sure, money doesn't mean you'll instantly be care free/forever happy, but very few of your issues with money will be the same issues you have if you didn't have money.

I'm also not someone who just wastes money, I shop smart. Even with money, I'm not blowing through it, I'll just get the best quality thing given my needs, rather than just best quality under a certain price range.

I know some people would still want to work if they're rich so they have something to do with themselves, but I can definitely make myself busy enough without needing a job, if money wasn't ever going to be an issue.

Yeah people that say being retired is boring and that they need to work I am like no just no. I don't get that because work is just boring, and you also work far longer than you go to school or get to be retired. Also most people by the time they can retire and get the much more free time to do what they want are now old enough that they can't really get around all that well any more.

[Majingir]

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Yeah people that say being retired is boring and that they need to work I am like no just no. I don't get that because work is just boring, and you also work far longer than you go to school or get to be retired. Also most people by the time they can retire and get the much more free time to do what they want are now old enough that they can't really get around all that well any more.

That's another thing.

You'll have all the time in the world once you retire, but all the things you wanted to do you can't or shouldn't do by then.

I've definitely rubbed employers the wrong way over this whole thing too. Work/life balance. When I'm at work I keep busy all day long, but the second I'm done for the day, I'm done. I don't want to think about work or anything. Don't want disruptions to my day or normal routines, and I'll lay out the days I'm available/want to work.

If I ever got put in a high enough position of power, I'd run it that same way too. Knowing full well that they're only here because they need money, and the expectation shouldn't be to blend your work/personal life. If I win the lottery, I'm gone. If they win the lottery, they'll quit.

[KSUowls]

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Yeah people that say being retired is boring and that they need to work I am like no just no. I don't get that because work is just boring, and you also work far longer than you go to school or get to be retired. Also most people by the time they can retire and get the much more free time to do what they want are now old enough that they can't really get around all that well any more.

I don't quite consider work boring (at least not all the time), and there are many aspects of my job and industry that I find interesting. Given the choice though, few things would make me happier than to not be obligated to schedule my life around deadlines and being "available" 8+ hours a day, 5 days a week.

My company forced all overhead staff to take PTO the last 2 weeks of 2022 to save some money. It was by far the longest stretch of time that I've ever had off since I began my career more than a decade ago. Despite it being so far out of my decade long routine, it just felt so natural to not have to wake up to an alarm every morning or to be tied to a work schedule.

[Speedy]

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My company forced all overhead staff to take PTO the last 2 weeks of 2022 to save some money.

How would this work to save money? Were all of you getting considerable OT?

[KSUowls]

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How would this work to save money? Were all of you getting considerable OT?

It's accounting logistics rather than any kind of cash transfer. This only impacted salary people.

For any company that uses accrual based accounting then all PTO balances are a liability on a company's balance sheet. So, by using PTO then you lower the liability on the balance sheet and relieve the accrued expense associated with that.

ie: You get 100 hours of PTO for the year. That is in essence compensation owed to you, and the company has to account for that on their books. If they were to liquidate tomorrow then they would owe that to you, and they have to account for that liability so that whatever PTO balance you have then there is an equal amount of expense that has been accrued. So, when you use PTO then they get to offset some of that expense that they have already recognized.