Developer Comment = Locked Thread

[marcus82]

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Since the trend is that all threads containing developer posts get closed almost immediately what is OS going to do so that we can actually interact with these folks in a respectable manner

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I just read through the new TOS and I'm glad OS is taking the right steps to clean up the interaction on this site. As it goes, the internet has produced more know it alls, digital thugs, and beer courage since the dawn of man.

However I think the TOS needs an amendment as it relates to Dev interaction. I frequent the MAdden forums and I can't tell you how many times i've gone in a thread either started by a Dev or has a post from a dev and the thread was closed. Usually because some douche decided to bash the dev directly. Plenty of devs have been told they should lose their job etc...

the point is respectful folks on the site never get an opportunity to interact with the folks that make the game. I just bought madden for the first time in 9 years and there are questions that I would like to ask devs if I can get the opportunity.


Can something be worked out where we can post a list of questions to the develeopers, have the questions filtered for relevant and effective questions, and then pic the best 10 or so questions to send to the developer. Outside of something like this I don't see how any meaningful interaction can take place. someone will always take a shot at them. maybe the questions can have themes ----for example I would love to see a round robin discussion with Madden developers on issues like OL blocking mechanics.

[CMH]

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Before the release of a game, OS always asks members for questions to the developers.

It works in the same way you described: the thread is opened and questions pour in and are then sent in. There is also usually a "Wish List" thread and the new "Gripe" threads give people an opportunity to voice their constructive criticism toward a feature or option.

As for the rest of your thread regarding the immature members that help get threads closed, I'm not sure what to say. Perhaps someone else can help.

[marcus82]

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ok that's nice to know. I've only been a member for about two months so I may have missed the cycle of developers actually answering some of the important questions that have been posed.

not once have i been in the gripe thread because i thought of it as a catch all to clean up the madden forum. I've had no reason to believe that any OS admin or developers were going into that discussion and actually responding to gripes or questions.

The Q&Q i'm speaking of should be an official OS event that the community could participate in. Maybe complie the 20 most repeated questions and poll the community on which are the most important.


the gripe thread is nice and all but it really is kind of useless if developers are looking at it and trying to address the questions.

[dickey1331]

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they cant make the devs do anything. I believe all the devs here are on there own time so that they can make there game better.

[marcus82]

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understood. which gets me to the heart of the question. its nice to have these guys around but for obvious reasons i doubt they will ever get very deep into many of the questions that people have.

it seems that they have put themselves out there as being able to answer questions that many of us have, but i don't think that will ever really be possible. Certain things are going to have to be private knowledge for the developers respective companies

i'm struggling to understood their benefit to the community as VIPs I guess. Ok cool you work for EA or 2KSports but you don't have the freedom to discuss the real questions that people have.

[dickey1331]

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some things they cant talk about but they can get what people wanted added to the games. What is the most important thing they want. OS has made a pretty big impact on sports games. There are things in games becuase OS asked for them. They cant fix everything or answer everyones question but IMO they do try. This is also a good place to find out whats wrong with a game, like if they need a patch or something like that.

[Pared]

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i'm struggling to understood their benefit to the community as VIPs I guess. Ok cool you work for EA or 2KSports but you don't have the freedom to discuss the real questions that people have.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2040456448

I can post many more examples.

The devs. being here help guys out in more ways than you can imagine. Whether it's giving them an idea what their "rabid" fanbase wants or helping them fix something they may have overlooked, it basically helps improve the games that we drop $60 on yearly to better suit "our" tastes. Of course, not everyone can be happy, but these guys try, whether some believe it or not.

[marcus82]

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ok that makes sense. See I think a lot people (including myself) expected more Q&A type interaction from the devs. I think that would be great but I understand that they can only say but so much.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
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Here is the problem – when the ignorant among us believe that the devs “owe” us an answer to why we have glitches A, B, and C they get loud and belligerent.<o></o>
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Based on what you’re saying I almost think the devs should simply lurk the site. Coming into these forums as a developer, and using your government name as your user ID is asking for trouble. (if they didn’t know before, they definitely know now – welcome to the youtube era where anybody can be a star). <o></o>
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Ian Cummings is like the Brittany Spears of sports gaming as far as the way people try and take shots at him.<o></o>
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In hindsight – If EA wanted to use OS as a resource they should have worked polls and glitch threads through OS Admin, and stayed out of harm’s way. Assign an intern the task of filtering through a stickied bugs/gripes thread and use that as the basis for game improvements.<o></o>
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If the devs wanted to actually be part of the community then they should use a non-descript alias and just be one of the guys. Some of these guys can’t mention the weather without a pack of Maddenites with pitchforks and torches chasing them out of town.<o></o>
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I’m sure this kind of thing will happen in the other forums as well<o></o>

[kehlis]

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2040456448

I can post many more examples.

The devs. being here help guys out in more ways than you can imagine. Whether it's giving them an idea what their "rabid" fanbase wants or helping them fix something they may have overlooked, it basically helps improve the games that we drop $60 on yearly to better suit "our" tastes. Of course, not everyone can be happy, but these guys try, whether some believe it or not.

This is my favorite thread ever: If anyone thinks devs here don't care, just read through this:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...game-ebay.html

[CMH]

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it seems that they have put themselves out there as being able to answer questions that many of us have, but i don't think that will ever really be possible. Certain things are going to have to be private knowledge for the developers respective companies

The Madden forums are the Madden forums. You've gotten a good taste for it in your short time here, I'm sure.

It gets hard for those guys because of the size of the gaming base and the history of the franchise.

However, if you go to the MLB: The Show forums, you'll see a lot of what you're talking about here.

The Show guys have done a wonderful job talking to the community. You'll see them soon when 2010 rolls in as they talk about The Show 10. They are a good reason why the 2K and EA guys are here. They've seen what speaking to a sim-based, crazy community has done for SCEA and its product.

And that's not a knock on 2K or EA. They are in a tough market with their basketball and football titles. Forum members are just more verbal there and sometimes it's good, other times it's bad and it leaves good members very little to work with because threads have to be closed.

[Speedy]

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The Show guys have done a wonderful job talking to the community. You'll see them soon when 2010 rolls in as they talk about The Show 10. They are a good reason why the 2K and EA guys are here. They've seen what speaking to a sim-based, crazy community has done for SCEA and its product.

And that's not a knock on 2K or EA. They are in a tough market with their basketball and football titles.

It helps that The Show made a phenominal product. Plus, Ramone's idea (SCEA) for improvement of the game was excellent - see the wishlist subforum and the threads included.