Does the CPU cheat?

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Re: Does the CPU cheat?

I have to agree, it is not as bad as other games. However that doesn't mean that the cpu will be forgiving (at least on higher difficulties) if you keep making the same stupid mistakes. It doesn't punish you as bad as MLB the show, but you have to learn to be a better player.

I totally agree. Bad passjng and poor possession will get you penalized for sure. We dont have realism yet, so that is fine by me. The best solution for the time being would be to allow us to play multiplayer manager mode.

[cardinals57]

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My biggest pet peeve and the largest example of the CPU cheating is when they clear the ball and it falls perfectly to their own guy. They could be facing the opposite way and still be able to clear the ball directly to the feet of one of their teammates. I understand once or twice they could get lucky and it falls to their teammate but this consistently happens. It's no fun when you have to play some CPU who can make moves and passes they literally should not be able to do.

[half-fast]

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My biggest pet peeve and the largest example of the CPU cheating is when they clear the ball and it falls perfectly to their own guy. They could be facing the opposite way and still be able to clear the ball directly to the feet of one of their teammates. I understand once or twice they could get lucky and it falls to their teammate but this consistently happens. It's no fun when you have to play some CPU who can make moves and passes they literally should not be able to do.

Just as annoying is the "dink" clear that the cpu keepers do ... soooooo stupid

[Lenkbron]

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You just need to look at some closeups in replay, the CPU players don't have any momentum, they just can stop one motion and move into another for example while tackling, I can just shake my head when I see it and it happens a lot. You get penalized for poor decisions, that's how it should be, but the CPU does give himself so many advantages the higher the difficulty is, it is ridiculous.

I will continue to play it for now, but it is just sad to see how far it is from realistic soccer gameplay wise and I don't see EA improve in the near future. Hopefully PES will have something in store for us for Nextgen.

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[eyeamg0dly]

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You just need to look at some closeups in replay, the CPU players don't have any momentum, they just can stop one motion and move into another for example while tackling, I can just shake my head when I see it and it happens a lot. You get penalized for poor decisions, that's how it should be, but the CPU does give himself so many advantages the higher the difficulty is, it is ridiculous.

I will continue to play it for now, but it is just sad to see how far it is from realistic soccer gameplay wise and I don't see EA improve in the near future. Hopefully PES will have something in store for us for Nextgen.

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I think you got it wrong. Most of the time and I seriously stress "MOST OF THE TIME", I feel that me and the cpu movements are equal. Its those other times that I feel the cpu's movement is fine and it is mine that is impaired.

You know those times when the cpu makes a move in front of goal and then you can't really react fast enough giving them a wide open shot. I learned that I was overplaying the computer in those situations and it is better to give them a step and cut the shot angle off forcing the shot to one side of the goal. Against better players, they can score around 50% or better ( i am guessing). I have been playing on legendary with minor slider tweaks. In the same situation, you can also knock the player off the ball or tug on him forcing a bad shot. It is all about timing.

Yeah I know this isn't something that is realistic because of the risk of giving a penalty shot, but lets be honest, this game needs more penalties. I generally draw 4 or 5 penalties and around 1 yellow card a game. I don't really get red cards, in fact the CPU gets them at a much higher rate then I do but less yellow and uncarded penalties in general.

I do agree with you, this isn't the best representation of the game we watch or play in real life. However, I feel most of the computer ai problems can be fixed by adjusting your play style. Maybe next year they will make it better.

[TheCloser]

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The CPU cheats. I've never broken anything i own in my life before but i broke my fifa 14 cd out of anger a few weeks back. The AI cheating is too much.

Things ive seen:

-You defender leaves the man he is marking, runs to the midfield only to run back to the same man for absolutely no reason.

-CPU scoring several headers even though the ball went through my defenders head.

-Shoulder to shoulder challenges. You rarely win them.

-Rubberbanding/catch up bug. I've completely beat a defender 1 on 1 and he catches up. The funniest one i saw was when Per Mertesacker caught up to Neymar.

-Horrendous marking on counters. The ai sorting algorithm is so poor. You literally cannot trust your defenders.

-Your left back keeping everyone onside.

-Amazing ai clearances that land at their team mates feet. **accurate to the nearest millimeter.

-You completely beat an ai player and his momentum has taken him in the wrong direction but still manages to win the ball back by sticking a leg out to make the tackle.

-The lack of open ball physics. The ball always bounces back to the AI.

-Sloped field. The ball still accelerates towards the sideline. Its like friction doesn't exist.

These are just some of the examples i have in mind. I could write more but i think this is enough for now. I definitely won't be buying fifa 15 until they fix their poor ai. Very very poor. There is too much scripting in the game and it reminds me of the ps2 era.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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The CPU's ability to toe poke the ball away is quite astounding.

Even more amazing is how they can actually direct their tackles to teammates.

I dont know if I mentioned this in the OP, but flukey rebounds and deflections go to the CPU 95% of the time.

I reckon this has happened 30 times.

I attempt to cross /shoot, the ball deflects off the defender and rebounds harmlessly on the full to the CPU goalie.

[Keirik]

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There is also this uncanny ability to not allow me to cover people properly on throw ins, their ability to take quick throw ins, and the ever so convenient aspect where i cant seem to get a quick throw in most of the time there is someone on my team open.

[OhSillyRabbit18]

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The CPU definitely acts weird. Still, FIFA is like Madden so I'll play it regardless. They better step it up next year. I'm excited to see what PES can do with the new hardware as well...

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There is also this uncanny ability to not allow me to cover people properly on throw ins, their ability to take quick throw ins, and the ever so convenient aspect where i cant seem to get a quick throw in most of the time there is someone on my team open.

Ive accepted the cpu cheats, but man oh man, I had a rigged game the other day if I've ever seen one ... one of those games the cpu decides you lose before you play, and I dont lost often these days. All game long I had the annoying "player doesnt move where I tell him to thing" where youre near the line, jogging albeit, and you hold the other direction and your players sprints out of bounds to give the cpu a corner. So obvious haha

[mfp]

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I'm really not a fan of the term "cheating." Cheating implies that something devious is going on, and I strongly disagree with that. IMO, what people are thinking of as cheating is simply poor programming and imbalanced gameplay mechanics.

The #1 issue are the various boosts given to the CPU, whether it's the different boosts for different difficulty levels, or the various boosts used in CM to simulate form, morale, and other factors. This isn't cheating; it's an imperfect solution to the underlying problem that the AI is simply not that smart - not as smart as any of us, and so the CPU needs boosts to be challenging. It's just not always implemented well.

The other big issue is simply poor programming and faults with the gameplay. For example, I play on Legendary with mostly default settings, and the #1 way I concede to the CPU is from through passes going to CPU strikers that are wide open. This isn't cheating, it's just poor defensive AI (my biggest issue with FIFA 14 NG), often compounded by problems with player switching.

Just remember: because no video game AI is a match for us (yet), every video game out there finds ways to stack the deck against you, and in this case it's with attribute boosts. It's not cheating; it's a necessary evil that's at times not implemented well.

[NexusVI Roy]

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After playing many Career games in World Class and Legendary difficult, I can say:

World Class: totally random difficulty. Sometimes you face a pansy bunch of CPU players that do nothing to stop you and score (even with tweaked sliders), but suddenly that bunch of crippled players, transform into Bayern Munich and they score 2 goals from nowhere... then back to the pansy crew players.

Legendary: CPU is much more consistent, if they are strong, they will punish you if you make serious mistakes and it will be hard to score against. If they are weaker tha you, they will try to defend and counter-attack. Imo, anyone looking for a realistic opponent should play in Legendary difficult.

To sum up, the "CPU is cheating to score" only takes place in World Class difficulty, rather play at Professional or Legendary, better and realistic gameplay.

[NightmareBooster]

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I'm really not a fan of the term "cheating." Cheating implies that something devious is going on, and I strongly disagree with that. IMO, what people are thinking of as cheating is simply poor programming and imbalanced gameplay mechanics.

The #1 issue are the various boosts given to the CPU, whether it's the different boosts for different difficulty levels, or the various boosts used in CM to simulate form, morale, and other factors. This isn't cheating; it's an imperfect solution to the underlying problem that the AI is simply not that smart - not as smart as any of us, and so the CPU needs boosts to be challenging. It's just not always implemented well.

The other big issue is simply poor programming and faults with the gameplay. For example, I play on Legendary with mostly default settings, and the #1 way I concede to the CPU is from through passes going to CPU strikers that are wide open. This isn't cheating, it's just poor defensive AI (my biggest issue with FIFA 14 NG), often compounded by problems with player switching.

Just remember: because no video game AI is a match for us (yet), every video game out there finds ways to stack the deck against you, and in this case it's with attribute boosts. It's not cheating; it's a necessary evil that's at times not implemented well.

DING DING DING! We have a winner.

[XXstormmXX]

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Of course it does. Google 'fifa scripted' and look at people's stories for proof. And I had a career mode ruined by scripting...

[Cardot]

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I recently dusted off the World Cup 2010 version, and I find this one to be the worst:

CPUs ability to clear the ball to any open teammate on the pitch from an attacking scramble. Anywhere.

I am terrible at Fifa, I know it and I accept it. So on those rare occasions when I do get some pressure on, it is quite aggravating for the CPU's desperation clear to land directly on the foot of another CPU player 30 yards upfield with none of my guys anywhere in sight. Would love to know if there is anything I can do to combat this.